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Chase ratings continue to fall
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HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
I am really interested in your opinion on why there are a million less viewers this year compared to last year. Are you saying that a million NASCAR watchers read some negative coverage on the web and stopped watching?
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chromehorn
Guest
Is she a toothless redneck!
Sometimes I wish she was toothless.
Not a redneck at all so that's why it baffles me.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Its quiet likely.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Early numbers are in and surprise, surprise..... Sunday's race from Auto Club Speedway posted a 2.3/5 overnight rating on ESPN, down -26% compared to last year's 3.1/6 when the race aired on ABC.
be9ak7ts16
Johali Lives
Simple, the core folks who have followed for years have been driven off and the new fans are on to the next cool thing. I haven't sat and watched a whole race in 4 years.
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Mopardh9
Guest
Been saying the same thing right along, NASCAR isn't cool anymore...MMA fighting Yeh, NFL Football Oh Yeh, NCAA Football definetly, NASCAR not so much....can you say boring to the NEWbies. That is what is happening to new fans, they want action right away all the time, Nascar doesn't provide that right now, and many of them have realized this and moved on.
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SST55
Guest
Another thing, my cable bill is $154.00 a month. TV has expanded basic so I can get Speed and Vesus with no HD or premium channels like HBO etc.
Now if I was unemployed I'd have $29.95 antenna from Radio Shack up on my roof. I'd keep the cable for my job search.
Ticket prices at many tracks have been reduced yet they can't fill the stands. People are dropping cable as my neighbor did.
Anyone here old enough to remember "It's the economy Stupid" when first uttered??
Now if I was unemployed I'd have $29.95 antenna from Radio Shack up on my roof. I'd keep the cable for my job search.
Ticket prices at many tracks have been reduced yet they can't fill the stands. People are dropping cable as my neighbor did.
Anyone here old enough to remember "It's the economy Stupid" when first uttered??
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Gordon_Fan24
Guest
You have a real point here. When my wife and I first got married we lived in an apartment (thank the good Lord those days are over) and we had cable, but our neighbor was DIE HARD NASCAR fan but all he coudl afford was the basic cable package that did not include ESPN or TNT. The only chanels he had that showed races were FOX and ABC. I think that the races being shown on ESPN vs. ABC has something to do with why the ratings are low. Just a thought....
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Finally, someone that sees this as I do. Even though the ratings have gone down for almost all races since the implementation of the Chase, this year, every Chase race has had a decline in viewership by 20+%. No previous years have had that. The only difference between this year and the previous ones are that all of the Chase races have now moved to ESPN from ABC. All but this weekends. Charlotte will be televised on ABC. I don't think that we'll see that same 20+% drop this coming weekend.
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Mopardh9
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ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
I'll bet against that, just a friendly bet....lol
Me too. While there are many smaller issues,like the broadcast carrier, the ticket prices, the hotel goughing, the local entertainment, the economy , etc...most of these have been around forever . You have to agree ,that Nascar has been successful in changing the fan base to a younger, more affluent market . Like the previous poster said, they are fickle and want more action than Jimmy Johnson winning five in a row. It would take a forty-three car chase to make them even watch.I doubt that you can get the old die hard fans back, but the quality of the racing this year ,and HAVE AT IT BOYS , ..may bring a couple around.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I'll bet against that, just a friendly bet....lol
I'll take on those friendly bets.
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I'm dropping cable for DirectTV. I can get more channel for less.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
As a loooooong time DirecTV subscriber let me give you a little advise. Get everything that you can out of them as a brand new subscriber to their service. They seem to be willing to give you the moon as a new customer. Once they have you, you're just another number.
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Mopardh9
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As a loooooong time DirecTV subscriber let me give you a little advise. Get everything that you can out of them as a brand new subscriber to their service. They seem to be willing to give you the moon as a new customer. Once they have you, you're just another number.
Yeh but does the price go up after the "intorductory stuff"? I've been thinking about going Dish Network or Direct Tv, but only thing holding me back is lack of High speed internet that I can get with Comcast.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Yes, for sure, if they are throwing in things like HBO and so on. I don't know about Dish. I'd stick with the cable if the internet connection is the deciding point.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
I never had internet with comcrap but had tv with all 3 and seems to me Direct TV had the least problems.The only person I would wish Comcrap on is my EX.
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Mopardh9
Guest
Lol Yeh they suck you in with great prices in the begining, then raise them up to "standard" rate. I asked once why can't you give me my "intro rate" I've had for the last 2 years as my permanent rate...."oh well that was an intro rate...blah blah". Ok then if it was an intro rate why did I get it for 2 years? Then you want to double my phone and my internet under the bundle? All i got was silence. Unfortunately I'm stuck, do to the fact I have a lot of trees around me I don't even think I could use a Dish, plus I don't want to have another added provider for DSL if I go dish for tv, makes for another bill.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Here is the other thing to look at, and I don't have figures to back this up , just personal observation. It seems to me that there has been a gigantic boom market in Nascar growth in the past twenty years . It has grown like gangbusters . There has to be a time of contraction or consolidation after a period of rapid growth. Similar to what takes place in the financial markets. Hopefully we will get through this in the next few years and then move on to a time of more growth with a more loyal fan base.Nascar shouldn't overreact and change,change,change because that isn't what this is about.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I agree whole wholeheartedly. In the meantime I'll continue to enjoy the lower ticket prices & the lower camping rates @ and around the track. I'll be heading to Martinsville next week. I think I paid something like $60 or $65 a piece for great seats for one of the best races of the year IMO. You can't beat that. I'm paying just over $20/night to camp. That can't be beat either.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
GO for it.You might have enough left for a hot dog.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Final numbers in and worse than the over nights' reported.....
blue92
Team Owner
For me it's the chase format that doesn't make any since. The Chase is Nascars lousy attempt for a playoff. In every other sport playoff is an elimination down to the last team/man/woman standing not so with the Chase. We start the season with 43 cars on the track in race 1 and the last race of the Chase we still see 43 cars start the race. I know the cars have become rolling billboards so that's why 43 on the track but Nascar needs to figure out a real playoff situation that may actually take cars out of the field. I myself would like the last race of the season be like the Shootout 20 cars racing for the championship. The winner is that years champion.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
Well to me the chase doesn't make sense either. I mean Kevin Harvick should be the points leader but he isn't. Since the Chase started scoring the most points doesn't matter only scoring the most the final 10 races. So, what's the point of even worrying about the first 26 races? Just finish well enough to make the Chase and then step it up.
OOOOO as long as we are making zany impossible ideas exist how about a 42 race season each week whoever finishes last is eliminated for the season. You can then stratigically take out other drivers in races creating a whole crazy season of wrecking each other and then the following year PAYBACKS!!!!!
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Less avaliability = less viewers. Common sense.
If the grocery store around the corner does not carry Campbells Soup, I cannot buy it. If 7-11 does not carry Rip It Energy Fuel, I cannot buy it.
If you don't get ESPN, you can't watch ESPN.
Why does ESPN not get this?
If the grocery store around the corner does not carry Campbells Soup, I cannot buy it. If 7-11 does not carry Rip It Energy Fuel, I cannot buy it.
If you don't get ESPN, you can't watch ESPN.
Why does ESPN not get this?
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
Because ESPN sucks. It would be nice if they could just stay on one network ALL year.
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Jameswnh
Guest
I wish I had seen this post sooner, but the answer is simple. The people in control of their own televisions simply can't think for themselves. Even somebody who's watched NASCAR for 30 years has to turn it off at the first sign of negativity. I guess that's why NASCAR tries like the devil to sweep it all under the carpet.
The above is all sarcasm of course. If you like what you see now, fine by me. Enjoy it. It's just really strange to me that if you don't like it, you're supposed to keep quiet. I certainly hope the people who believe that don't live their lives that way.
Trust me, if negative media directly affected attendance/ratings, NASCAR would have been defunct ten years ago, at least.
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
For the folks who blame the move to ESPN:
1) ESPN BEAT NBC.
2) That's more than 4 times as many viewers that ESPN got for Football compared to NASCAR.
It's not the move to Cable TV, it's the product. Put on a good show and the viewers will come.
1) ESPN BEAT NBC.
2) That's more than 4 times as many viewers that ESPN got for Football compared to NASCAR.
It's not the move to Cable TV, it's the product. Put on a good show and the viewers will come.
yeah but Monday the Vikings (Brett Farve) played the Jets (New York) Sunday night the Eagles(some guy named Kolb) played the 49ers(0-5) Which would you watch?
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
I agree that the chase format seems to alienate the fans of those drivers that are not included in it. Rather than enhance interest from viewers that ordinarily wouldn't watch , it tends to push away viewers who normally would watch. If the purpose is to draw in new viewers , it ain't workin. There is no use going further down that road.
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
That's exactly my point. It doesn't matter what channel it's on. It's the quality of the product that matters.
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chromehorn
Guest
This makes me want to fly into a blind rage, that's the most disgusting figure I've seen yet on this topic. It's a sad day in the U.S.A. when 3 million people would rather watch this ignorant donkey crap filled with half fat sluts and dudes that can't make up their mind what their sexual preference is that day.
blue92
Team Owner
Guess Nascar needs a tv contract with MTV then. If you want the 20 to 30 year old's watching you need to but it on a network they watch. MTV, VH1, E, Cartoon Network, and also start working toward Green racing.
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Mopardh9
Guest
Lol that's ok they won't believe the numbers because it can't possibly the product , it has to be the channel!
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Mopardh9
Guest
You missed the point, the amount being greater means that these people had access to ESPN, which means the channel has nothing to do with it, what's on it does. Yikes......is that not clear enough to some of you??