Chicago - 2023

kkfan91 said:
I've tried to tell people from the beginning, stock cars are much better suited for street courses than open wheel cars due to the fact they can survive minor contact.
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They said man would never fly and the earth is flat. There is a lot of that around here.
 
Not flat?

Ridiculous. I’ve done my research and in my opinion, it’s flat.
 
80 degrees plus in Chicago today.

Great day for a race at the Speedway.

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Well..... cant say I am surprised. In the local papers, the coverage has been negative to say the least.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Well..... cant say I am surprised. In the local papers, the coverage has been negative to say the least.
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This is a one and done event.

Which is a shame. I'm all for a street race. But Chicago clearly does not want this.

They probably need to just call this off and go back to Road America.
 
aunty dive said:
The city signed a 3 year contract:
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If the city wants out, I'm not sure how wise it would be for NASCAR to insist on the full three-year run. Chigaco would probably do the bare minimum required, since it wouldn't be interested in the success of the event. Disgruntled citizens and disappointed attendees may reachnegative opinions of the body. Potential host cities may wonder about getting the short end of the relationship stick.

Still, NYC and Boston don't mind roping off 23.2 miles every year. Miami and Vegas seem agreeable, but there's those pesky local tracks that will want to keep their existing dates.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If the city wants out, I'm not sure how wise it would be for NASCAR to insist on the full three-year run. Chigaco would probably do the bare minimum required, since it wouldn't be interested in the success of the event. Disgruntled citizens and disappointed attendees may reachnegative opinions of the body. Potential host cities may wonder about getting the short end of the relationship stick.

Still, NYC and Boston don't mind roping off 23.2 miles every year. Miami and Vegas seem agreeable, but there's those pesky local tracks that will want to keep their existing dates.
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Taxpayers could always fund a buyout and the current administration could blame the previous mayor and council.

Standard civic politics.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If the city wants out, I'm not sure how wise it would be for NASCAR to insist on the full three-year run. Chigaco would probably do the bare minimum required, since it wouldn't be interested in the success of the event. Disgruntled citizens and disappointed attendees may reachnegative opinions of the body. Potential host cities may wonder about getting the short end of the relationship stick.

Still, NYC and Boston don't mind roping off 23.2 miles every year. Miami and Vegas seem agreeable, but there's those pesky local tracks that will want to keep their existing dates.
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Apples to oranges comparing the couple hours that NYC and Boston shut down for marathons to Chicago shutting down for days.
 
An existing, tested street course should've been the course NASCAR took. Belle Isle or Toronto would've been perfect.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
An existing, tested street course should've been the course NASCAR took. Belle Isle or Toronto would've been perfect.
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All nascar cares about is the market, so much so that I think how the race turns doesn't matter to them.

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Formerjackman said:
I guess is depends on what your definition of stupid is. Chicago is CLEARLY a case of chasing a market over put on a compelling product. That absolutely cannot be denied.
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How do you know it wont be compelling, you havent seen a lap? I dont need a essay on what could happen so just admit you dont have an answer because you dont have the data and lets watch it play out.
 
Spotter22 said:
How do you know it wont be compelling, you havent seen a lap? I dont need a essay on what could happen so just admit you dont have an answer because you dont have the data and lets watch it play out.
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Well of course. Haven't seen a lap, knows nothing about the numbers, but it's has to be a terrible idea because HE thinks so. The comedy never ends.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
An existing, tested street course should've been the course NASCAR took. Belle Isle or Toronto would've been perfect.
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An 50% stake in the Long Beach GP is up for sale, and reports were that NASCAR had tried to purchase it in the past. Otherwise it would likely be contractually difficult to replace IndyCar as a headliner at a number of existing street events, and a second race weekend at any such circuit would probably be a nonstarter due to extended street closures.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Who wants in on a group package?

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I never sit in the cheap seats. Those are probably down in Chicken Bone Alley.

Those image show a more open venue that I anticipated. I expected the circuit to have skyscrapers on all sides, buried down in concrete canyons. What I know about Chicago is limited to the names of its sports teams and one layover in the airport.
 
Formerjackman said:
I guess is depends on what your definition of stupid is.
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We’re expected to treat our fellow forum members respectfully so I won’t say it.


Formerjackman said:
Chicago is CLEARLY a case of chasing a market over put on a compelling product. That absolutely cannot be denied.
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Business chases markets. Standard operating procedure.

Whether or not the planned product will be compelling remains to be seen. That absolutely cannot be denied.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I never sit in the cheap seats. Those are probably down in Chicken Bone Alley.

Those image show a more open venue that I anticipated. I expected the circuit to have skyscrapers on all sides, buried down in concrete canyons. What I know about Chicago is limited to the names of its sports teams and one layover in the airport.
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Same here, but logic says those are some of the best seats in the house as they say, similar to the sweets on the racetracks. The price is for both days I believe. The general admission prices are for both days and fans can wander around to different areas and it includes the entertainments according to post #226. Julie Giese has quite a story working for Nascar. She plays it down, but she has been behind the construction/design of the tracks starting at the 400 million renovation of Daytona.
 
FLRacingFan said:
An 50% stake in the Long Beach GP is up for sale, and reports were that NASCAR had tried to purchase it in the past. Otherwise it would likely be contractually difficult to replace IndyCar as a headliner at a number of existing street events, and a second race weekend at any such circuit would probably be a nonstarter due to extended street closures.
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That's interesting. Unrelated- I think NASCAR would be a complete disaster at Long Beach. Namely the fountain turn and of course the hairpin
 
aunty dive said:
We’re expected to treat our fellow forum members respectfully so I won’t say it.



Business chases markets. Standard operating procedure.

Whether or not the planned product will be compelling remains to be seen. That absolutely cannot be denied.
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I've been watching street racing since the 80's and I'm STILL waiting on a good one, and stock cars will bring out the worst in street racing. I predict it will be about as awful as the Nashville Indycar race.
 
Formerjackman said:
I've been watching street racing since the 80's and I'm STILL waiting on a good one
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I don't usually enjoy them, and in particular don't normally like Long Beach. For some reason last month's IndyCar race at LB just clicked with me.

At first glance, the Chicago layout looks boring, mostly 90-degree turns. I'm willing to wait to see how it runs before damning it. It looks like it's more likely to die a political death anyway than to pass away from poor racing.
 
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