Chicago - 2023

[Mispeedway15]

Nobody goes to Monaco for the race. They go there to see and be seen. Is that REALLY what we want auto racing to be? I personally think that F1 popularity in the US is an unsustainable fad, because there is no substance behind it.

It does because they cannot keep a competitive field together. Red Bull is on some all time dominance at the moment, it’s hard to make races interesting if only two cars can actually win

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Nobody goes to Monaco for the race. They go there to see and be seen. Is that REALLY what we want auto racing to be?

I was with you this far.

I personally think that F1 popularity in the US is an unsustainable fad, because there is no substance behind it.

And then you lost me.

 

[Magicmiler]

Pretty sure there is a cream for that.

Applied to his shtick?

 

[aunty dive]

Nobody goes to Monaco for the race. They go there to see and be seen. Is that REALLY what we want auto racing to be? I personally think that F1 popularity in the US is an unsustainable fad, because there is no substance behind it.

NASCAR could require completion of a questionnaire in order to ensure ticket buyers are planning to attend events for the right reasons.

Keep the riff raff out.

 

[Hawaii808]

I guess your definition of working and mine are quite a bit different.

I think we are closer than you think.

I call success as the events went off as planned, full length, and not absolute catastrophes. Best racing ever? Nah, but it was a diversion from the norm. We’ll find out fast once on track action begins in Chicago (like did they weld down all the manhole covers).

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Applied to his shtick?

Vigorously.

 

[Revman]

Applied to his shtick?

A little dab will do ya!

 

[Formerjackman]

Must have taken a ton of time to talk to everybody to determine that nobody is there for the race.

Monaco is an annual event on the social calendar. Somebody was saying that race hasn't had an on track pass for the lead since sometime in the 90's. I watch it every year while I eat breakfast and wait for the 500 coverage to start, and the race ( if you can even call it that) and it is almost without exception cringeworthy awful. Even many F1 supporters are saying that venue should be put out if its misery.

 

[Revman]

Monaco is an annual event on the social calendar. Somebody was saying that race hasn't had an on track pass for the lead since sometime in the 90's. I watch it every year while I eat breakfast and wait for the 500 coverage to start, and the race ( if you can even call it that) and it is almost without exception cringeworthy awful. Even many F1 supporters are saying that venue should be put out if its misery.

An event on the social calendar.....Mr. Senna disagrees....and yeah, in a Honda.

 

[racingfan7]

Nobody goes to Monaco for the race. They go there to see and be seen. Is that REALLY what we want auto racing to be? I personally think that F1 popularity in the US is an unsustainable fad, because there is no substance behind it.

Oh hell no. F1 Las Vegas should be off the schedule ASAP with the prices for hotels & etc.

Which is a shame it sounds really cool but those prices are so unnecessary.

 

[Revman]

Oh hell no. F1 Las Vegas should be off the schedule ASAP with the prices for hotels & etc.

Which is a shame it sounds really cool but those prices are so unnecessary.

Yet, they will sell the place out.

 

[racingfan7]

Yet, they will sell the place out.

I’m not sure why some people are so obsessed with shilling for things rich people can afford & or a serious amount of saving. It’s ludicrous how expensive F1 is.

 

[StandOnIt]

I’m not sure why some people are so obsessed with shilling for things rich people can afford & or a serious amount of savings.

It's called reality instead of whining. Capitalism is about what the traffic will bear.

 

[racingfan7]

It's called reality instead of whining. Capitalism is about what the traffic will bear.

I love how you think people are whining about Las Vegas. It’s amazing really what some people here are defending.

 

[StandOnIt]

I love how you think people are whining about Las Vegas. It’s amazing really what some people here are defending.

It beats the hell out of listening to you whine about something that doesn't affect you one bit.

 

[racingfan7]

It beats the hell out of listening to you whine about something that doesn't affect you one bit.

Actually it effects me a lot genius. Easy to talk when you’re watching $40 USAC races all the time.

 

[aunty dive]

Yet, they will sell the place out.

I’m totally unconcerned about how other people spend their money.

I’m not sure why some people are so obsessed with shilling for things rich people can afford & or a serious amount of saving. It’s ludicrous how expensive F1 is.

Get a job.

 

[racingfan7]

I’m totally unconcerned about how other people spend their money.


Get a job.

Why don’t you get a life.

 

[StandOnIt]

Actually it effects me a lot genius. Easy to talk when you’re watching $40 USAC races all the time.

So now it's time to whine about a $150 a year racing subscription.

 

[racingfan7]

So now it's time to whine about a $150 a year racing subscription.

Um, 10-4

 

[Formerjackman]

An event on the social calendar.....Mr. Senna disagrees....and yeah, in a Honda.

In F1 terms, 1988 might as well be a century ago.

 

[donthaveanickname]

I personally think that F1 popularity in the US is an unsustainable fad, because there is no substance behind it.

It might be a bit reminiscent of the NASCAR "boom or bust" years. There are already rumors of a fourth US GP in New Jersey.
The excitement of the 2021 season came at exactly the right time but I think if the current Red Bull domination continues the growth of the sport will slow down.

Even many F1 supporters are saying that venue should be put out if its misery.

The ones who say that are the 15 year-olds who didn't know F1 existed before they found DTS on Netflix.
Monaco, along with Indy and Le Mans, is the most prestigious automobile race in the world and it would be asinine to get rid of it.

 

[antman12]

It might be a bit reminiscent of the NASCAR "boom or bust" years. There are already rumors of a fourth US GP in New Jersey.
The excitement of the 2021 season came at exactly the right time but I think if the current Red Bull domination continues the growth of the sport will slow down.

It already has with my friends and cousins**

**I acknowledge this is anecdotal.

 

[Revman]

In F1 terms, 1988 might as well be a century ago.

Even faster now. I find that amazing....but to each his own.

 

[Revman]

Actually it effects me a lot genius. Easy to talk when you’re watching $40 USAC races all the time.

How does it affect you?

 

[SpeedPagan]

For those unfamiliar with downtown Chicago, this shows where in Grant Park that the track will be laid out.

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Was this the only place where the city of Chicago would allow them to run the race? I mean, I'll be honest, the layout is a bit uninspired. Looks like something The Borg from Star Trek would design as a race track. I don't know if all of Chicago city streets are in a grid pattern, but this city has to have some elevation and sweeping turns, right?

 

[Charlie Spencer]

the layout is a bit uninspired.

It's a flat bunch of 90-degree turns, with one sweeper. I hope it races more interestingly than it looks.

 

[FLRacingFan]

I can’t foresee Chicago unfolding like a normal road course race or processionally. It’ll probably be chaotic good or chaotic bad.

I was pleasantly surprised yesterday by a different street course with an, on paper, ordinary layout. So I’m keeping an open mind. Xfinity at the very least should be pretty interesting.

 

[pjmolo]

Was this the only place where the city of Chicago would allow them to run the race? I mean, I'll be honest, the layout is a bit uninspired. Looks like something The Borg from Star Trek would design as a race track. I don't know if all of Chicago city streets are in a grid pattern, but this city has to have some elevation and sweeping turns, right?

Yes, Chicago city streets are almost entirely in a grid pattern with little, if any, elevation.

Generally, the only place to find any kind of sweeping turns is in the city parks.

imo, this is where the street race should have been set up, on the South Side in Jackson Park.

 

[Formerjackman]

It might be a bit reminiscent of the NASCAR "boom or bust" years. There are already rumors of a fourth US GP in New Jersey.
The excitement of the 2021 season came at exactly the right time but I think if the current Red Bull domination continues the growth of the sport will slow down.


The ones who say that are the 15 year-olds who didn't know F1 existed before they found DTS on Netflix.
Monaco, along with Indy and Le Mans, is the most prestigious automobile race in the world and it would be asinine to get rid of it.

Except that unlike Indy and LeMans, Monaco offers absolutely NOTHING from a sport and competition angle. The ONLY thing that made last week's race even 1% interesting was the rain, which ultimately changed very little about the outcome. I mean not ONE on track pass for the lead since 1996, and not a straight up dry track one since 1986? Why not just give the pole sitter the trophy and spend the weekend at the beach?

 

[Zerkfitting]

I'm not a fan of street courses, They are usually concrete canyons where the driver can't see around a corner. The Chicago track looks a little interesting (not sure how narrow the track is). I'm guessing a pass will involve trading paint.

 

[Jorge De Guzman]

I'm not a fan of street courses, They are usually concrete canyons where the driver can't see around a corner. The Chicago track looks a little interesting (not sure how narrow the track is). I'm guessing a pass will involve trading paint.

different racing of course, but the Detroit circuit yesterday was a fun one.

 

[Daytripper]

Yes, Chicago city streets are almost entirely in a grid pattern with little, if any, elevation.

Generally, the only place to find any kind of sweeping turns is in the city parks.

imo, this is where the street race should have been set up, on the South Side in Jackson Park.

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With all the talk of how dangerous and violent Chicago is (read the first page or two in this thread even though the mods deleted a bunch) I think nascar preferred to stay away from the south side.

 

[pjmolo]

With all the talk of how dangerous and violent Chicago is (read the first page or two in this thread even though the mods deleted a bunch) I think NASCAR preferred to stay away from the south side.

As I recall, most if not all of the earlier posts that trashed Chicago as dangerous were typical of the feelings of those not from the area.

Indeed, there is criminal activity but it's not like it's on every street corner, day and night.

Downtown Chicago is where the city's major hotels, restaurants, and tourist attractions are located.

If a race of any kind was going to happen, doing it downtown was a no-brainer in order to get the registers ringing.

 

[Hawaii808]

different racing of course, but the Detroit circuit yesterday was a fun one.

As I recall, most if not all of the earlier posts that trashed Chicago as dangerous were typical of the feelings of those not from the area.

Indeed, there is criminal activity but it's not like it's on every street corner, day and night.

Downtown Chicago is where the city's major hotels, restaurants, and tourist attractions are located.

If a race of any kind was going to happen, doing it downtown was a no-brainer in order to get the registers ringing.

100% I'm from Chicago and never had a problem. Just like any large city, there are areas to be avoided. Stay in that lane and you are fine.

Oh, and never make eye contact on the bus or train.

 

[StandOnIt]

Eh, we all know that the media does their best to spit out fear, some of us fall pretty heavily for that line. Common sense reduces your chances of bodily harm. That course on the shore of the Lake looks so bad ass.

 

[pjmolo]

A clipping from the Chicago Tribune, dated Monday, June 4th.

 

[racingfan7]

The best part about Chicago is it made Road America even better for standalone racing.

 

[Jorge De Guzman]

Whiners. Deathbedders. Criers.

 

[StandOnIt]