Cone Rule

VaDirt said:
We were all confused (and still are) about what you are trying to say. Complete words would be a good start....
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I used complete words sir. I meant to say you want change and I put won't I'm sorry.. it's my iPhone autocorrect
 
They use this at Bowman Gray every race and their caution periods are quick
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Typically with two to go a cone will be put on the backstretch and the cars choose their lane. So everyone is 2x2 and has chosen their lane when they get the one to go. At that point the cone is retrieved by the track worker. This is typically how it's done on short tracks with cars doing 30mph under caution and with 20 cars on tracks...now with a 40 car field, a caution pace in the 50-70mph range on the larger tracks, and wave-around cars going at green-flag speeds...NASCAR would likely have to modify the procedure. My best guess is that there would be a painted box in the middle of the backstretch, similar to the painted box on pit road that acts as the commitment cone on short tracks where placing a literal cone is not feasible. That way we don't have a track worker out on the track while cars are taking the wave-around with one to go and driving at race-pace. NASCAR won't give the one-to-go signal until all track support vehicles are tucked away behind a wall. Unlike short tracks where I've seen many pick-up trucks race back to their safe spot as the field is taking the green :eek:. So no, there's won't be a track working running across the backstretch to retrieve a cone as the field takes the green.
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This seems like the dumbest thing anyone could do. Like what's he benefits to the cone rule, just seems way to confusing and to much of a hassle.
 
Simple Fan said:
This seems like the dumbest thing anyone could do. Like what's he benefits to the cone rule, just seems way to confusing and to much of a hassle.
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Exactly smh.. NASCAR fans just want to add another rule then they'll complain about this too lol
 
The benefit is that the second, third fourth place drivers can line up behind the leader in the preferred grove, not relegated to no man's land where they have no chance. The leader still gets the perk of BEING the leader, and gets to choose his lane, but everyone else doesn't get screwed. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I wouldn't condemn it until you see it in action.
 
Formerjackman said:
The benefit is that the second, third fourth place drivers can line up behind the leader in the preferred grove, not relegated to no man's land where they have no chance. The leader still gets the perk of BEING the leader, and gets to choose his lane, but everyone else doesn't get screwed. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I wouldn't condemn it until you see it in action.
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So 3rd place would start from the third row if first and second also chose the same lane? Then 4th could become 2nd just by doing the opposite? Yeah to much of a hassle, nothing wrong with how its done now.
 
Simple Fan said:
So 3rd place would start from the third row if first and second also chose the same lane? Then 4th could become 2nd just by doing the opposite? Yeah to much of a hassle, nothing wrong with how its done now.
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Yeaa it's so stupid when u think about it haha.. just let them race that's the problem it's to many changes and trying to make everybody happy .. so I guess every car could line up in left lane and one car pick the right lane smh.. when does it stop? I heard NASCAR fans on Sirius Xm comparing it to onside kicks in football :XXROFL:
 
Didn't matter for Jimmie Johnson last year at homestead smh.. this cone stuff is crazy.. everything in life isn't fair
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Yeaa it's so stupid when u think about it haha.. just let them race that's the problem it's to many changes and trying to make everybody happy .. so I guess every car could line up in left lane and one car pick the right lane smh.. when does it stop? I heard NASCAR fans on Sirius Xm comparing it to onside kicks in football :XXROFL:
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Yeah might work for local short tracks but its something NASCAR should stay away from. To damn confusing and only driver that should have a choice is the leader.
 
Simple Fan said:
So 3rd place would start from the third row if first and second also chose the same lane? Then 4th could become 2nd just by doing the opposite? Yeah to much of a hassle, nothing wrong with how its done now.
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There is something with how it's done now.

At Martinsville, people stop at the end of pit road to force other cars to pass them so they'll restart on the inside lane. One of these days, this is going to cause a crash.

Some races, there's only one groove and restarting on the outside (or inside) is basically a penalty. End up falling to sixth or seventh because you were running second and restarted in the wrong lane.

And, yes, someone who is sixth could decide to restart in the lane opposite of the leader and move up. It's part of the chess game.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Difficult to think outside the box.
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Difficult to anticipate the results. The PTBs have done a poor job of predicting the effects of many of their recent changes.

C'mon, NASCAR, this is what you have lower-tier series for. Test your ideas at those levels before you unleash them on your flagship product.
 
Simple Fan said:
Yeah might work for local short tracks but its something NASCAR should stay away from. To damn confusing and only driver that should have a choice is the leader.
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Are you saying the best drivers in the world can't handle what grassroots drivers at Podunk Junction Fairgrounds Speedway do every Saturday night?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
There is something with how it's done now.

At Martinsville, people stop at the end of pit road to force other cars to pass them so they'll restart on the inside lane. One of these days, this is going to cause a crash.

Some races, there's only one groove and restarting on the outside (or inside) is basically a penalty. End up falling to sixth or seventh because you were running second and restarted in the wrong lane.

And, yes, someone who is sixth could decide to restart in the lane opposite of the leader and move up. It's part of the chess game.
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And not a difficult maneuver to set up the restart. I really didn't know anything about this idea until I did a little reading and checked out some YouTube video's on its execution. It seems like an extremely simple rule to implement and one that may reward strategy.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
There is something with how it's done now.

At Martinsville, people stop at the end of pit road to force other cars to pass them so they'll restart on the inside lane. One of these days, this is going to cause a crash.

Some races, there's only one groove and restarting on the outside (or inside) is basically a penalty. End up falling to sixth or seventh because you were running second and restarted in the wrong lane.

And, yes, someone who is sixth could decide to restart in the lane opposite of the leader and move up. It's part of the chess game.
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If someone cause's a crash on pit road trying something like that so be it, they do it at their own risk. I see no benefit at all for NASCAR with this cone rule stuff. So what if a track has one good lane, leader should be the only one with a choice.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
And not a difficult maneuver to set up the restart. I really didn't know anything about this idea until I did a little reading and checked out some YouTube video's on its execution. It seems like an extremely simple rule to implement and one that may reward strategy.
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But they didn't do it in the Winston Cup Series in 1984 so it sucks and shouldn't be tried.

:lol2:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Are you saying the best drivers in the world can't handle what grassroots drivers at Podunk Junction Fairgrounds Speedway do every Saturday night?
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No what he saying is this is a pro sport not ur local dirt track or whateva.. like the NBA where u have people call ur fouls and pickup basketball you call your own fouls.. NASCAR letting drivers pick there own lane is kinda like pickup basketball if you get my drift
 
Simple Fan said:
If someone cause's a crash on pit road trying something like that so be it, they do it at their own risk. I see no benefit at all for NASCAR with this cone rule stuff. So what if a track has one good lane, leader should be the only one with a choice.
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So, if I'm driving and I make a pass for second and close in on the leader and the caution comes out, I should be penalized for that by being forced to restart on the lane with no grip, costing me six positions and a shot at the win? Third place or fourth place should get an advantage over second place?

This is simple ****. And there's nothing wrong with implementing rules from short track racing. I wish we'd implement track configurations from short track racing.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But they didn't do it in the Winston Cup Series in 1984 so it sucks and shouldn't be tried.

:lol2:
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Some of these changes work and some just plain suck. Can't really know until I'd see it in action. It is funny though, some that I see that dismiss this prospected change are also fans that love the whole Chase concept. Something else that was once just an idea and one that we didn't have anything to look back at as an example. This 'cone rule' has plenty of examples that can be viewed online or at your local short track and it seems to work just fine. I think I'd like to see it in effect rather than to see the games played out at the end of pit road.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
So, if I'm driving and I make a pass for second and close in on the leader and the caution comes out, I should be penalized for that by being forced to restart on the lane with no grip, costing me six positions and a shot at the win? Third place or fourth place should get an advantage over second place?

This is simple sh!t. And there's nothing wrong with implementing rules from short track racing. I wish we'd implement track configurations from short track racing.
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Second starts on the front row, how does 3rd or 4th get the advantage? If the top groove doesn't work then you can move to bottom once it goes green. Just watched a few videos of the cone rule and its probably the dumbest thing I've seen in racing. Had 2 cars choose the inside lane the rest went to the outside.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Typically with two to go a cone will be put on the backstretch and the cars choose their lane. So everyone is 2x2 and has chosen their lane when they get the one to go. At that point the cone is retrieved by the track worker. This is typically how it's done on short tracks with cars doing 30mph under caution and with 20 cars on tracks...now with a 40 car field, a caution pace in the 50-70mph range on the larger tracks, and wave-around cars going at green-flag speeds...NASCAR would likely have to modify the procedure. My best guess is that there would be a painted box in the middle of the backstretch, similar to the painted box on pit road that acts as the commitment cone on short tracks where placing a literal cone is not feasible. That way we don't have a track worker out on the track while cars are taking the wave-around with one to go and driving at race-pace. NASCAR won't give the one-to-go signal until all track support vehicles are tucked away behind a wall. Unlike short tracks where I've seen many pick-up trucks race back to their safe spot as the field is taking the green :eek:. So no, there's won't be a track working running across the backstretch to retrieve a cone as the field takes the green.
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I will never forget the time Charlotte levitated? the track. Everything was so screwy that night, they restarted the field with a safety truck on the track. :confused:
 
Simple Fan said:
Second starts on the front row, how does 3rd or 4th get the advantage? If the top groove doesn't work then you can move to bottom once it goes green. Just watched a few videos of the cone rule and its probably the dumbest thing I've seen in racing. Had 2 cars choose the inside lane the rest went to the outside.
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You can't move to the bottom if the bottom lane is so much better than the top that the cars that restarted 3rd and 5th behind the leader are already down there.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Difficult to anticipate the results. The PTBs have done a poor job of predicting the effects of many of their recent changes.

C'mon, NASCAR, this is what you have lower-tier series for. Test your ideas at those levels before you unleash them on your flagship product.
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I would certainly have no issue with trying it in the Truck series first. I think that is reasonable. But IF NASCAR decides to do it in Cup, they need to either do it in the next couple of week, or wait until next year. Don't through it into the middle of the chance.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
You can't move to the bottom if the bottom lane is so much better than the top that the cars that restarted 3rd and 5th behind the leader are already down there.
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They'll be room eventually. It's really the tracks problem if there's only one good lane. Part of the reasons New Hampshire and Martinsville are my two least favorite tracks. Cone rule is silly though, might as well just go back to single file restarts as few cars would choose the outside.
 
can't help those tracks are horrible in my opinion. Understand that alot love Martinsville but I'll never understand why.
 
sky said:
They use this at Bowman Gray every race and their caution periods are quick
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NASCAR won't implement it then. The longer the caution the more ads revenue for the networks..
 
Simple Fan said:
can't help those tracks are horrible in my opinion. Understand that alot love Martinsville but I'll never understand why.
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Have you ever been to a cup race at Martinsville? You may alter your viewpoint if you attend a live Cup race there. You're the only person that I've ever heard say that they just don't like Martinsville at all..
 
Johali said:
Have you ever been to a cup race at Martinsville? You may alter your viewpoint if you attend a live Cup race there. You're the only person that I've ever heard say that they just don't like Martinsville at all..
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No I haven't and I'm sure it's great at the track and I'd have a good time but probably wouldn't change my mind on the track. I just hate the tracks configuration. Not a big fan of short tracks anyway, I like Bristol and Richmond but Martinsville is completely different than those two.
 
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