Cone Rule

Have no clue how anyone can think this cone stuff is a good idea. Watched a few videos on it and its ignorant, one restart had two cars in the outside lane. Don't understand why cars in the back of the pack should be rewarded with a possible front row restart either.
 
Simple Fan said:
Have no clue how anyone can think this cone stuff is a good idea. Watched a few videos on it and its ignorant, one restart had two cars in the outside lane. Don't understand why cars in the back of the pack should be rewarded with a possible front row restart either.
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It isn't required to be a good idea to be put into use ............. it only has to be an idea :D
 
Simple Fan said:
Have no clue how anyone can think this cone stuff is a good idea. Watched a few videos on it and its ignorant, one restart had two cars in the outside lane. Don't understand why cars in the back of the pack should be rewarded with a possible front row restart either.
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No cars from the back will be restarting in the front row or anywhere near it.

Don't over-think it, which should be easy to do.
 
Simple Fan said:
Have no clue how anyone can think this cone stuff is a good idea. Watched a few videos on it and its ignorant, one restart had two cars in the outside lane. Don't understand why cars in the back of the pack should be rewarded with a possible front row restart either.
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The other cars have no legitimate gripe. They had a choice and decided the other lane was ****.
No need to complain about somebody behind them taking what they rejected themselves
 
StandOnIt said:
gotta speak slowly when splanin to some. They will think it is a conspiracy
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No, I understand this cone rule fine and have done my reseach. Brad was spewing conspiracies though. This rule is completely dumb though and not fit for NASCAR unless you want them making multiple changes to it to fix it once they do.

Greg said:
The other cars have no legitimate gripe. They had a choice and decided the other lane was sh!t.
No need to complain about somebody behind them taking what they rejected themselves
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Yeah because the driver of gives up that spot, which they shouldnt have that choice in my opinion, if they want to restart in a certain lane they can try what Hamlin did. Hamlin was playing a strategy, like what he did or not if a cone rule is introduced that takes slot if pit road strategy out when all you have to do is pick a side of a cone.

aunty dive said:
No cars from the back will be restarting in the front row or anywhere near it.

Don't over-think it, which should be easy to do.
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The videos I seen had the whole field choose one lane and the last two cars jumped to the other lane and jumped to the front. Now weather it helped them or not isn't important, its the fact that they gained all those positions just because of a cone. Not a quick pit stop or any kind of strategy other than picking a side. These drivers are to good to be handicapped with a cone.
 
Simple Fan said:
The videos I seen had the whole field choose one lane and the last two cars jumped to the other lane and jumped to the front. Now weather it helped them or not isn't important, its the fact that they gained all those positions just because of a cone. Not a quick pit stop or any kind of strategy other than picking a side. These drivers are to good to be handicapped with a cone.
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How many cars in the field in the videos you watched?
 
aunty dive said:
How many cars in the field in the videos you watched?
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It was like a 15 car field but the same would still happen in NASCAR is there is a preferred line. BETTER option is going to single file restarts than a silly cone that mixes up the field.
 
It's funny everyone keeps bringing up Martinsville in this thread as the prototypical single-groove track where the cone rule is most needed. Did y'all watch the spring race? The new tire goodyear brought opened up the middle lane significantly. Brad K actually took the outside lane on the final restart to beat Kyle Busch. That's really the ultimate solution, a multigroove racetrack, not any cone rule.
 
This is so dumb.. don't matter what lane Kyle Busch line up in he is good!! Guess all these other drivers need all the help they can get smh.. picking which side to line up in this is so silly ..
 
It's not a hard concept to understand its just a stupid concept for NASCAR. Why allow these drivers the choice? They're good enough or at least should be to deal with racing in a non preferred line.
 
Guess they wan't to make the drivers that don't know how to restart an easier way out.. they act like nobody ever got a jump in the line that wasn't the preferred line..didn't Jimmie Johnson will championship last year on a restart that wasn't the preferred line.. Kyle Busch was restarting on both lines at Bristol lol.. truex I think took off at Kentucky and wasn't preferred line..
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Guess they wan't to make the drivers that don't know how to restart an easier way out.. they act like nobody ever got a jump in the line that wasn't the preferred line..didn't Jimmie Johnson will championship last year on a restart that wasn't the preferred line.. Kyle Busch was restarting on both lines at Bristol lol.. truex I think took off at Kentucky and wasn't preferred line..
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Back on the farm the cream always rose to the top
 
It's an overreaction to Denny Hamlin trying a bit of strategy that didn't pan out. If more want to try it let them, I guarntee that many don't as its dumb to allow cars to pass you, cone rule or not.
 
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Now I get to say it once again. "Green Flag Pit Stops ONLY."
No games by anyone, no pit crews being run over, no accidents on pit road taking out a contender just because a back marker was slow coming to his pit.
When you have enough restarts eventually the best car will lose and we have all seen this before.
For Racing to be fair, pit stops ( other than the time element or mistakes) should never determine your racing position.
 
Simple Fan said:
It's an overreaction to Denny Hamlin trying a bit of strategy that didn't pan out. If more want to try it let them, I guarntee that many don't as its dumb to allow cars to pass you, cone rule or not.
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This isn't just about Denny, this conversation started last year and has been rejuvenated after Bristol became a one lane track where guys that have top 10 cars get screwed and rather than racing for the top 5, they end up passing the same cars two or three times. Why should a car that can be racing for a top 5 be stuck racing just to get back where he was just because the restart screwed him?
 
Snowman said:
This isn't just about Denny, this conversation started last year and has been rejuvenated after Bristol became a one lane track where guys that have top 10 cars get screwed and rather than racing for the top 5, they end up passing the same cars two or three times. Why should a car that can be racing for a top 5 be stuck racing just to get back where he was just because the restart screwed him?
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And a cone fixes that? I just don't see it and in my opinion Bristol had multiple grooves with the VHT they added. With a cone that same driver would be starting next to another driver who he'd already passed and probably started in front of in the first place. Cone rule is not a good idea and the most gimmicky of gimmicks there is.
 
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Yogisd1 said:
The playoffs is the most gimmicky of gimmicks there is.
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Disagree as the playoffs are the only way to ensure the champion isn't crowned til Homestead. Nothing is added to the track to make a playoff. Restart line is a gimmick, overtime line is a gimmick, a cone rule would be a gimmick as you'd have to add something to the track.
 
If someone dominates the year, why do they have to wait for Homestead. Do they think people will not be interested in the remaining races. Then the dominant car doesn't finish the race and loses the championship. That's the biggest gimmick of them all.
 
Yogisd1 said:
If someone dominates the year, why do they have to wait for Homestead. Do they think people will not be interested in the remaining races. Then the dominant car doesn't finish the race and loses the championship. That's the biggest gimmick of them all.
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Well its not smart to run races with nothing on the line. Playoff is a good thing for NASCAR and something that should have been implemented when the original Chase was. It's not a gimmick at all, just smart business.
 
Nothing on the line? Time to put the Fenwick away. You have your opinion, and you back it vigorously. I admire that, but in this instance we disagree. Neither of us is wrong.
 
kyle18fan said:
The "idiot" that got this conversation and idea started should have been penalized for obstructing pit road IMO
There will be confusion and conflict on the track with the cone rule too . I can't see how it can be avoided.
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It CAN"T be any more difficult than lining up lead lap cars, lap down cars, wave-around cars, end of the longest line penalty cars etc.
Simple Fan said:
Well its not smart to run races with nothing on the line. Playoff is a good thing for NASCAR and something that should have been implemented when the original Chase was. It's not a gimmick at all, just smart business.
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Any format where you can win the first 35 races, finish 2nd in the 36th race and LOSE the championship is a gimmick.
 
Crowning a Champion because he was the best of 4 at a single race is a gimmick.
However it did get Toyota a championship and gives all the KB fans something to glee over.
So it is now MENGR.
 
Team Penske said:
Crowning a Champion because he was the best of 4 at a single race is a gimmick.
However it did get Toyota a championship and gives all the KB fans something to glee over.
So it is now MENGR.
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Some other drivers have also earned a championship under that format ......... they weren't driving a Toyota !!!! To be quite honest Kyles recent accomplishment at Bristol means a whole hell of a lot more to me than either one of his championships.
 
Yogisd1 said:
If someone dominates the year, why do they have to wait for Homestead. Do they think people will not be interested in the remaining races. Then the dominant car doesn't finish the race and loses the championship. That's the biggest gimmick of them all.
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More than one major racing series has determined the champion BEFORE the last race was even run .... sometimes with a couple of races left. AMA Supercross , AMA Motocross, Moto-GP, World Superbike and F-1 to name a few. Most of the series I mentioned have no attendance problem ... Moto-GP frequently draws a hundred thousand fans or more at their events
 
Formerjackman said:
It CAN"T be any more difficult than lining up lead lap cars, lap down cars, wave-around cars, end of the longest line penalty cars etc.



Any format where you can win the first 35 races, finish 2nd in the 36th race and LOSE the championship is a gimmick.
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Yeah, my thoughts too. It may be too simple. Many seem to be over analyzing a rather simple process that could only add to the sport.

As far as the Chase, err Playoffs, goes..... I am not a fan but it's not because of its format. Mine is simply that today's made for television championship erases any possibility of making a fair comparison to championships in the pre-Chase era. Double J's 7 or more will always be looked at in the same light as Petty and Earnhardt's season long run to be the best of the best. Many will disagree, but I think that is an unfair comparison. They aren't even close.

If I threw all of the previous season's away and simply looked at the format of the Chase itself..... I think they've improved on it as the seasons have gone on. Stage racing and the rewarding of those that run their best throughout the individual races is a better method. It has made a difference. Teams like Truex Jr are capitalizing on it and are going to be rewarded for their season long effort when it counts the most..... in the post season.
 
kyle18fan said:
Some other drivers have also earned a championship under that format ......... they weren't driving a Toyota !!!! To be quite honest Kyles recent accomplishment at Bristol means a whole hell of a lot more to me than either one of his championships.
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There were 3. Harvick and he falls into the same boat as Kyle. What can you say about Jimmy except he has 7 championships and most are legit. The chase has eliminated some pretty heavy hitters from even being able qualify, drivers with 4 wins on the season and leading the points.
I guess that really means the chase is the biggest gimmick and probably the biggest reason so many have departed from Nascar. Regular season races have no meaning any more, just win one and you pass a guy who is top 10 all 26 races.
 
Team Penske said:
There were 3. Harvick and he falls into the same boat as Kyle. What can you say about Jimmy except he has 7 championships and most are legit.
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Yes ............ certainly the 48 won his legitimately .. regardless of the format. Looks to me like a few Toyotas are doing pretty well in the regular season this year BTW
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yeah, my thoughts too. It may be too simple. Many seem to be over analyzing a rather simple process that could only add to the sport.

As far as the Chase, err Playoffs, goes..... I am not a fan but it's not because of its format. Mine is simply that today's made for television championship erases any possibility of making a fair comparison to championships in the pre-Chase era. Double J's 7 or more will always be looked at in the same light as Petty and Earnhardt's season long run to be the best of the best. Many will disagree, but I think that is an unfair comparison. They aren't even close.

If I threw all of the previous season's away and simply looked at the format of the Chase itself..... I think they've improved on it as the seasons have gone on. Stage racing and the rewarding of those that run their best throughout the individual races is a better method. It has made a difference. Teams like Truex Jr are capitalizing on it and are going to be rewarded for their season long effort when it counts the most..... in the post season.
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But it only gets them great coverage for the sponsor. Come the final race, a driver who took half the year off could come in and win it all.
 
kyle18fan said:
Yes ............ certainly the 48 won his legitimately .. regardless of the format. Looks to me like a few Toyotas are doing pretty well in the regular season this year BTW
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Yes they are and have done so in the past. I think Denny was in position to win the championship twice and recently Carl Edwards who also blinked and lost twice. Once in a Ford.
 
Team Penske said:
Come the final race, a driver who took half the year off could come in and win it all.
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Yeah, the half season, or close to it, thing is a huge black mark on this format. I forgot about Kyle's run. That season created a lot of Chase format fans that otherwise would have continued to discredit it. Their boy would not have come close to being a champion of this sport by any other means.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Only 3 of his 7 did he actually outscore every other competitor in the season long total.
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But JJ/Knaus played by the rules and concentrated on those races that would make them Champions. Nascar set the tracks that gave them the ability instead of having a mixture of tracks.
 
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