Cup RACE thread --- Atlanta

SpeedPagan said:
So I think I finally found why I didn't really like Atlanta. It came when I watch this YouTube video by The Iceberg. The Atlanta race was too similar to the Low HP/High Downforce package that was created to force pack racing at 1.5 tri-ovals, and this reconfigured Atlanta did the same thing. It's pack racing, draft racing, but no one can really make moves on their own unless they want to drop like a stone through the pack.

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Damn, they figured that out about super speedway racing..that's genius.
 
SpeedPagan said:
So I think I finally found why I didn't really like Atlanta. It came when I watch this YouTube video by The Iceberg. The Atlanta race was too similar to the Low HP/High Downforce package that was created to force pack racing at 1.5 tri-ovals, and this reconfigured Atlanta did the same thing. It's pack racing, draft racing, but no one can really make moves on their own unless they want to drop like a stone through the pack.

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As long as it’s entertaining, that’s all that matters. I guess the sport passes you by.
 
Snappy D said:
1.) Most of these tracks are not by cities. What city is closest to Bristol? Johnson City, thats a college town but nowhere close to Nashville (6 hours away. Charlotte is also a drive away). Atlanta is the same distance from the speedway as it is from Chicago to Joliet. Homestead? Nowhere near Miami. Fontana is nowhere close to LA. Vegas is a drive from the strip of at least 30 min-45 min depending on traffic. I dont get this narrative, do people expect tracks to be at the center of downtown of a major urban city now?
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Las Vegas (more like 15-20 minutes away) & Phoenix are pretty close to the metro. Also Fontana is close to all of the Inland Empire cities such as the Ontario Airport / San Bernardino/ Riverside if that means anything.
 
AuzGrams said:
Las Vegas (more like 20 minutes away) & Phoenix are pretty close to the metro. Also Fontana is close to all of the Inland Empire cities such as the Ontario Airport if that means anything.
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My experience with Vegas was that it was 40 min from my hotel. Didnt seem like a long distance but the traffic was rough for us for some reason. I've never been to Phoenix Raceway, driven by it though. A Googlemaps show its 33 minutes from downtown which I dont think is bad.
 
Snappy D said:
My experience with Vegas was that it was 40 min from my hotel. Didnt seem like a long distance but the traffic was rough for us for some reason. I've never been to Phoenix Raceway, driven by it though. A Googlemaps show its 33 minutes from downtown which I dont think is bad.
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Ya Vegas Speedway is pretty close to the Strip hotels that seems kinda long but traffic is sometimes an issue in LV.
 
donthaveanickname said:
If you look at this place, it seems to be mostly older guys who are praising every decision NASCAR makes while the "younger" crowd happens to be more critical.
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I haven't noticed that personally. Members of team complainers and team complain about the complainers both come from all ages. People here change teams depending on whatever is being discussed as well.

With the change vs tradition stuff I can confidently say that without the schedule changes my interest in the sport would have faded a bit by now. The fact that the schedule had hardly changed my entire life until a few years back was ridiculous. That's probably more unique to me though, because some of my fondest nascar memories from when I was a kid was the one-off track Busch/Nationwide series races such as Montreal and Mexico. I've always liked newer and/or different tracks and settings.
 
LJ7201 said:
I haven't noticed that personally. Members of team complainers and team complain about the complainers both come from all ages. People here change teams depending on whatever is being discussed as well.

With the change vs tradition stuff I can confidently say that without the schedule changes my interest in the sport would have faded a bit by now. The fact that the schedule had hardly changed my entire life until a few years back was ridiculous. That's probably more unique to me though, because some of my fondest nascar memories from when I was a kid was the one-off track Busch/Nationwide series races such as Montreal and Mexico. I've always liked newer and/or different tracks and settings.
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Most of the schedule changes have been really good. Just gotta get a short track or 2. Only ones I don’t care about is IMS road course (indifferent) & Atlanta Superspeedway and losing Chicagoland sucks.
 
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Snappy D said:
My experience with Vegas was that it was 40 min from my hotel. Didnt seem like a long distance but the traffic was rough for us for some reason. I've never been to Phoenix Raceway, driven by it though. A Googlemaps show its 33 minutes from downtown which I dont think is bad.
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If you don't want to stay on the Strip there is a Holiday Inn right past the Base that is only couple of miles from the back side of the track. There is also a pretty good BBQ place in between the Holiday Inn and the track.
 
Nitro Dude said:
If you don't want to stay on the Strip there is a Holiday Inn right past the Base that is only couple of miles from the back side of the track. There is also a pretty good BBQ place in between the Holiday Inn and the track.
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I'd be interested in that BBQ place for sure ha ha
 
Spotter22 said:
I'd like you to explain that. The racing today is miles better then anything we've ever had and thats fact based.
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No such thing as fact based in this case. Whether a race was good or not is always subjective.
Spotter22 said:
I think the older guys saw how the sport has evolved and how the competition is even closer and provides more excitement. Now if you want unlimited HP and cars going so fast they cant race and winners by a half lap then I dont want any part of it. Lastly, its kinds funny that the older guys have had to go through so much change yet we adapt and the younger guys get all bent out of shape.
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I guess this once again comes down to the discussion that had been going on and on during the 550 years. We all have different opinions on what makes a good race. I haven't seen nearly as many races as you have but in the last few years between the high hp and the high df stuff I found the racing with more horsepower and less downforce more entertaining.

Finally, some act like the pro-hp people on here are just deathbedders who whine about everything NASCAR does. That is clearly not the case. The races at Fontana and Vegas were fantastic IMO and also received praise from many others on this site.
 
yeah I could say that having high HP does not guarantee a good race...kinda like passing or not huh. It's a cheap way out to say that IMO. The increase in attendence backed by statistics and ratings have happened when the racing was closer with more passing and the bottom line is that is the way the sport has been going for the last few years. It sure doesn't look like it will go back to more HP and less passing and single file racing. That's reality FWIW. Wish away I guess.
 
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Snappy D said:
I'd be interested in that BBQ place for sure ha ha
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I haven't been there since I retired a couple of years ago, so I just looked up the address for Memphis BBQ and it is permanently closed. The BBQ and banana pudding was to die for. I know another one we would also go to, but I have to remember what the name was.
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80c8dd706c074b35:0x9af8a7cdc64a71c2!3m1!7e115!4shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipMgjVKlswXhBTchZSP2e5SnQ1I9weLdoFe6evBE=w266-h200-k-no!5smemphis bbq north las vegas - Google Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipMgjVKlswXhBTchZSP2e5SnQ1I9weLdoFe6evBE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE95_y4dr2AhUJKUQIHWc5DmcQoip6BAgeEAM#
 
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Nitro Dude said:
I haven't been there since I retired a couple of years ago, so I just looked up the address for Memphis BBQ and it is permanently closed. The BBQ and banana pudding was to die for. I know another one we would also go to, but I have to remember what the name was.
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80c8dd706c074b35:0x9af8a7cdc64a71c2!3m1!7e115!4shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipMgjVKlswXhBTchZSP2e5SnQ1I9weLdoFe6evBE=w266-h200-k-no!5smemphis bbq north las vegas - Google Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipMgjVKlswXhBTchZSP2e5SnQ1I9weLdoFe6evBE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE95_y4dr2AhUJKUQIHWc5DmcQoip6BAgeEAM#
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well, you retired, they closed up...hmm could be a connection there :cool:
 
StandOnIt said:
well, you retired, they closed up...hmm could be a connection there :cool:
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Maybe LOL. Big Jim Dunn loves BBQ and being 87 years old with over 50 years traveling the racing circuit he knows where the good ones are at all over this country, and he buys the crew dinner at one on Thursday nights at just about every race. But there are usually a lot of other teams there also. He just called me a few weeks ago wanting to know if I wanted to have dinner at a BBQ place with him and Dianne at a place here in SoCal. But I was leaving for a slot car race in Arizona that day.:(
 
donthaveanickname said:
No such thing as fact based in this case. Whether a race was good or not is always subjective.

I guess this once again comes down to the discussion that had been going on and on during the 550 years. We all have different opinions on what makes a good race. I haven't seen nearly as many races as you have but in the last few years between the high hp and the high df stuff I found the racing with more horsepower and less downforce more entertaining.

Finally, some act like the pro-hp people on here are just deathbedders who whine about everything NASCAR does. That is clearly not the case. The races at Fontana and Vegas were fantastic IMO and also received praise from many others on this site.
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Having closer racing with more lead changes and Teams like Trackhouse and Petty GMS run up front on a consistent basis and have several chances to win is not subjective.
 
Spotter22 said:
Having closer racing with more lead changes and Teams like Trackhouse and Petty GMS run up front on a consistent basis and have several chances to win is not subjective.
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I guess GMS and Trackhouse weren’t competitive at Fontana & Las Vegas under normal 1.5 conditions.

Wow. And crashing over half the field isn’t subjective either.
 
donthaveanickname said:
No such thing as fact based in this case. Whether a race was good or not is always subjective.

I guess this once again comes down to the discussion that had been going on and on during the 550 years. We all have different opinions on what makes a good race. I haven't seen nearly as many races as you have but in the last few years between the high hp and the high df stuff I found the racing with more horsepower and less downforce more entertaining.

Finally, some act like the pro-hp people on here are just deathbedders who whine about everything NASCAR does. That is clearly not the case. The races at Fontana and Vegas were fantastic IMO and also received praise from many others on this site.
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Notice how it’s always the same 2 people on here trying to push the same thing. The fans in attendance have an appetite for plate racing & TV ratings had an extra few thousands and yet a lot of the ratings on here from many fans that watch a lot of races weren’t overly impressed by it.
 
AuzGrams said:
Notice how it’s always the same 2 people on here trying to push the same thing. The fans in attendance have an appetite for plate racing & TV ratings had an extra few thousands and yet a lot of the ratings on here weren’t overly impressed by it.
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Super speedway racing if you don't know by now is a money maker and Atlanta was a big success. Ratings by the "experts" at R-F don't amount to a hill of beans.
 
StandOnIt said:
Super speedway racing if you don't know by now is a money maker and Atlanta was a big success. Ratings by the "experts" at R-F don't amount to a hill of beans.
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Hope that money goes to the teams having to fix thrashed race cars.
 
StandOnIt said:
I hope for your sake it does also
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I’ll probably just find something else to watch for my “entertainment” next time around since we’re so hellbent on artificial draft racing. It’s clear my opinion & past ticket purchases were a couple raindrops in a bucket.
 
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AuzGrams said:
Sports entertainment is usually a success.
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Did someone say sports entertainment? How about Motorsports Entertainment!
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AuzGrams said:
I guess GMS and Trackhouse weren’t competitive at Fontana & Las Vegas under normal 1.5 conditions.
Wow. And crashing over half the field isn’t subjective either.
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Hold on a second, I said Trackhouse and GMS were competitive, you are confusing me here. What are you trying to say?
AuzGrams said:
Notice how it’s always the same 2 people on here trying to push the same thing. The fans in attendance have an appetite for plate racing & TV ratings had an extra few thousands and yet a lot of the ratings on here from many fans that watch a lot of races weren’t overly impressed by it.
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pssst, This racing forum is in no way indicative of what the overall fanbase is saying.
AuzGrams said:
I’ll probably just find something else to watch for my “entertainment” next time around since we’re so hellbent on artificial draft racing. It’s clear my opinion & past ticket purchases were a couple raindrops in a bucket.
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Thank god
AuzGrams said:
Hope that money goes to the teams having to fix thrashed race cars.
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Since when do you have to worry about whose money is fixing a car? Sit back and relax and let the people who know whats going on worry about that.
 
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Snappy D said:
1.) Most of these tracks are not by cities. What city is closest to Bristol? Johnson City, thats a college town but nowhere close to Nashville (6 hours away. Charlotte is also a drive away). Atlanta is the same distance from the speedway as it is from Chicago to Joliet. Homestead? Nowhere near Miami. Fontana is nowhere close to LA. Vegas is a drive from the strip of at least 30 min-45 min depending on traffic. I dont get this narrative, do people expect tracks to be at the center of downtown of a major urban city now?
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I'm shocked no one is talking about the large metropolis of Darlington, SC
 
Spotter22 said:
Hold on a second, I said Trackhouse and GMS were competitive, you are confusing me here. What are you trying to say?
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He literally was praising 670 HP races at Las Vegas & Fontana, I’m not even sure what you were arguing about or what point you were making.

And thank god I don’t show up to races that need more people in the stands? You need to do better than that.
 
BobbyFord said:
You guys told me attendance didn’t mean anything 🤷🏻‍♂️
Now it does? 😂
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This also. Last year's Martinsville had around 1.5 million less viewers than this years Atlanta. So on the one hand some fans really like Martinsville and other short tracks, but they aren't bringing in the money and the viewers. No panic, they aren't going anywhere, but Atlanta was the only race so far to show an increase this year in viewers so far in comparison.

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