Cup RACE thread --- Dover on a Monday

AndyMarquisLive said:
They’re always going to engineer their way into bad racing.

But with less horsepower, handling isn’t as important.
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The best racing happens when the cars are miserable to drive. The best drivers can take a piece of **** handling car and make it look good.
 
Dude spins AT PIT ENTRANCE DURING GREEN FLAG PIT STOPS and there's no flag?
 
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Love to see it.
 
I was able to talk at length with an engineer from a prominent Cup team last week. During the discussion, he said that this new car is a total POS as far as being able to do anything to help it. He said you unload with what you unload with based on sim programs, and there's next to NOTHING you can do to help it. If you start off out to lunch, the weekend is lost because you're pretty much out to lunch. They can't experiment and take huge swings like they could with previous gens. The whole "it's saving teams money to be uniform" is opposite of what's happening, because the big boys are spending like hell to find the tiniest edge since everyone is in the same box.

TLDR; the engineers hate this car because there's no adjustability in a weekend. If you suck on Friday, your whole weekend is blow because there's nothing you can do.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
I was able to talk at length with an engineer from a prominent Cup team last week. During the discussion, he said that this new car is a total POS as far as being able to do anything to help it. He said you unload with what you unload with based on sim programs, and there's next to NOTHING you can do to help it. If you start off out to lunch, the weekend is lost because you're pretty much out to lunch. They can't experiment and take huge swings like they could with previous gens. The whole "it's saving teams money to be uniform" is opposite of what's happening, because the big boys are spending like hell to find the tiniest edge since everyone is in the same box.

TLDR; the engineers hate this car because there's no adjustability in a weekend. If you suck on Friday, your whole weekend is blow because there's nothing you can do.
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Horsepower would help.

Good drivers can excel with throttle control and talent. But now it’s about shifting.

Plus it adds to the tire wear. In late models, it’s common for guys to take lower horsepower crate motors to Jacksonville (and Myrtle Beach before it) because they could run harder without using up tires.

Less horsepower really does hurt racing.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
TLDR; the engineers hate this car because there's no adjustability in a weekend. If you suck on Friday, your whole weekend is blow because there's nothing you can dodo.
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I mean i have to agree. Ypu used to be able to be a%# off the truck and adjust and be competative. Just seems like thats not the case anymore
 
antman12 said:
Burtons an absolute scrub. At least Dibenenenenenenedetto was competitive in that car. Needs somebody else in there.
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Harrison is a good driver and good kid.

This just isn’t clicking. He probably needs to go back to Xfinity like JHN did.

JHN was constantly wrecking in Cup too. Now he looks like the Second Coming in Xfinity.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Horsepower would help.

Good drivers can excel with throttle control and talent. But now it’s about shifting.

Plus it adds to the tire wear. In late models, it’s common for guys to take lower horsepower crate motors to Jacksonville (and Myrtle Beach before it) because they could run harder without using up tires.

Less horsepower really does hurt racing.
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Ding Ding Ding!!!!! Exactly what he said. They need the ability to break the car loose with power to create more off throttle time and more delta between the haves and have nots.

Had an engine builder for the 9 (Evernham) car say that they won Indy with like 20 or more less horse than the others and it was an advantage because Bill could be more aggressive with throttle. Less wheel spin, etc. I wish I could remember the exact number he told me they were off after NASCAR dynoed the engine, but it was very significant. It may have been 30-40, but that seems insane to me.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
I was able to talk at length with an engineer from a prominent Cup team last week. During the discussion, he said that this new car is a total POS as far as being able to do anything to help it. He said you unload with what you unload with based on sim programs, and there's next to NOTHING you can do to help it. If you start off out to lunch, the weekend is lost because you're pretty much out to lunch. They can't experiment and take huge swings like they could with previous gens. The whole "it's saving teams money to be uniform" is opposite of what's happening, because the big boys are spending like hell to find the tiniest edge since everyone is in the same box.

TLDR; the engineers hate this car because there's no adjustability in a weekend. If you suck on Friday, your whole weekend is blow because there's nothing you can do.
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Did this conversation occur before or after you gave him the gas?
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Ding Ding Ding!!!!! Exactly what he said. They need the ability to break the car loose with power to create more off throttle time and more delta between the haves and have nots.

Had an engine builder for the 9 (Evernham) car say that they won Indy with like 20 or more less horse than the others and it was an advantage because Bill could be more aggressive with throttle. Less wheel spin, etc. I wish I could remember the exact number he told me they were off after NASCAR dynoed the engine, but it was very significant. It may have been 30-40, but that seems insane to me.
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Darrell Waltrip said it during the horsepower reduction era, you lose and gain time in the corners. But everyone was running equal speeds in the corners so you couldn’t gain anything. When you’re wide open, you can only lose time.
 
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