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Very hard for me to swallow with that big honking spoiler on the trunk myself. Now if it was a 3 incher I could see loosing rear grip. The problem as Logano sees it is that the cars can't follow right behind each other, passing on the right has improved, but too much turbulence when behind the car in front when following closely is the problem as Logano sees it. The cars aren't sealed to the track anymore and they depend on air flowing UNDER the car for much of their downforce, so turbulent air would really affect the frontal down force (tight) because the car is off the ground and down force is lost when closely following another car
What you're quoting Logano as saying, Harvick said the exact same thing during the podcast too.

As far as you finding it hard to swallow that the rear is lacking grip even with the big spoiler, lots of sideforce is gone now with these symmetrical bodies plus the shorter sidewall tires are giving less warning as to when the car is about to come around (per Dale Jr, Briscoe). Not to mention it's kind of pinnacle armchair quarterbacking for anyone on here to listen to what driver with 119 wins across the top three divisions has to say about the car's handling and go, "I don't believe him". You're probably talking like the NASCAR execs do after they hear the driver's feedback too.
 

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What you're quoting Logano as saying, Harvick said the exact same thing during the podcast too.

As far as you finding it hard to swallow that the rear is lacking grip even with the big spoiler, lots of sideforce is gone now with these symmetrical bodies plus the shorter sidewall tires are giving less warning as to when the car is about to come around (per Dale Jr, Briscoe). Not to mention it's kind of pinnacle armchair quarterbacking for anyone on here to listen to what driver with 119 wins across the top three divisions has to say about the car's handling and go, "I don't believe him". You're probably talking like the NASCAR execs do after they hear the driver's feedback too.
I'm a bit confused tight means you lose the front, not the back
 

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I'm a bit confused tight means you lose the front, not the back
The reason why Logano and others are saying the car is not turning when following another car is because they are having to mechanically set the car up very tight to begin with, tighter than this past year. Why is that? Because the car's natural tendency is to oversteer and spin the rear, due to the lack of sideforce. Harvick said this on the Dale Jr Download. Let it be known that I am indeed hanging onto Harvick's words because I personally trust his feedback but that's my personal decision and your mileage may vary.

So because the car wants to spin, they tighten it up just to be able to run by themselves without spinning, and then when they follow in the wake of another car it gets super tight, too tight, because the car isn't rotating at all and is just planted but now with no downforce on the nose. But it all begins with the car being too loose to begin with.
 

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The reason why Logano and others are saying the car is not turning when following another car is because they are having to mechanically set the car up very tight to begin with, tighter than this past year. Why is that? Because the car's natural tendency is to oversteer and spin the rear, due to the lack of sideforce. Harvick said this on the Dale Jr Download. Let it be known that I am indeed hanging onto Harvick's words because I personally trust his feedback but that's my personal decision and your mileage may vary.

So because the car wants to spin, they tighten it up just to be able to run by themselves without spinning, and then when they follow in the wake of another car it gets super tight, too tight, because the car isn't rotating at all and is just planted but now with no downforce on the nose. But it all begins with the car being too loose to begin with.
Exactly. They have run front springs in the rear & rear springs in the front for 20 some years. Gonna have to get used to doing things like 1990 again. 1800lb fronts/350lb rear springs. Maybe smaller bars. It's all new to them. Won't happen overnight.

The "trunk" is so short and greenhouse so long I suspect the spoiler doesn't have as much effect as some think. Gonna need Swartz to build a car.
 

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The mechanical engineers have them a little slower than last year’s car.

I wouldn’t worry too much about that.
 

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Yeah Nascar said, I can't remember who said it, that they were disappointed about the speed, but that is easily fixed. Tire compounds might be something they are looking at for more overall grip and then there are many adjustments the teams can make front and rear now. I'm not worried either. The car will never be perfect, but it gets better with every practice session.
 
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I thought they were going to have to get the hook to get him off the stage at his Hall of Fame speech lol. He should be a good one.
 

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I knew the name Red Farmer being part of the Alabama gang but I didn't know anything about him. I didn't know he wasn't from Alabama. I'm always interested in how drivers start their careers, he started racing because he won a race and made $300 which was way more money than he was making. He is proud that he won the most popular driver of the year when you had to have a NASCAR drivers license to vote (that's the way it should be). He was very close to the Allison family and he got emotional recalling the tragities the family endured. One thing impressed me, when he started racing it was hard to find someone to offer advise so when drivers approached him asking for advice he gave it to them (I think Mark Martain did it that way too). Along with helping drivers he also pointed out that it was safer for him to be on a track with them if they knew something about what they were doing.
 

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It was a good listen. He raced a car on street tires, someone gave him some racing tires and his racing career was started.

I remember watching all of the 24 hours of Daytona on Speedvision (before SpeedTV), I stayed up all night (I was young enough to do that). They interviewed Boris in the middle of the night and he said it is 3:30 and nobody is watching, then he said something inappropriate (forgot what it was) but I thought was funny at the time (I'm pretty sure everything sounded funny to me at that hour).

I was amused when the SaidHeads became a thing (fans wearing wigs resembling his hair).
 

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Boris Said had the greatest story about DE I've ever heard. And it wasn't about racing. ROTFL
You've got to listen to the podcast.
 

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What was his answer?

Got a link?
8 obviously comes from Ralph. Jr actually wasn't 100% sure on the others he guessed 15 came from Srs time with Bud Moore and the 1 was because he just wanted to own the number 1. It was around the 1 hour and 50 minute mark I believe of the Austin Cindric episode. Davis and Dillner both also said it was a good question.
 

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Geoff Bodine is this week’s guest. This will be the holy grail episode for me.
 

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Geoff didn't say how the rivalry started but he talked about how he was having success and when that happens the other successful drivers see the new guy as a threat. Earnhardt would mess with Bodine on track and Bodine said he was pig headed and messed with Earnhardt back. Bodine was mostly on the receiving end of the rivalry but he did admit taking Earnhardt out once. He mentioned that Hendrick told him if he didn't deal with Earnhardt he'd find someone who would so that added to the rivalry.

The dinner part of Days of Thunder was real except Bodine & Earnhardt rode in the same car (I prefer the movie version). Geoff was driving and Dale told him to bump France's car (there were following Bill France Jr), Dale was trying to get Geoff in trouble so Geoff told Dale he could drive if he wanted to do that. In hindsight he wished he had bumped France (apparently he didn't get along with France Jr). France told the two of them how to race each other which they did for the rest of that season.

He is proud of the work he did on the American bob sled program and he has an international following because of it.
 
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