Diversity....what happened in NASCAR?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by DanicaFreak, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. The Nature Boy

    The Nature Boy Stylin and Profilin

    I was going to list Suarez but I don't know if he has a ride next year. I missed Larson so good catch.
     
  2. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Not to pick on her, but with the historically weak ARCA fields the last couple years, those stats don't say a whole lot, and if you can't win in a Venturini car, you probably aren't going to win.
     
  3. acmerocket

    acmerocket Team Owner

    i dont think she is getting the best cars and crew,because i think they are just rentals.like the 3 or 4 car on more teams.if you watched most of the races her crew made a lot of mistakes.maybe they are part timers.
     
  4. hidesert cowboy

    hidesert cowboy Team Owner

    Yes base it all on merit. Sick of everything being a social statement these days
     
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  5. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Here at r-f, we’re very good at spending other people’s money.
     
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  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    pretty good at who merits what to drive also. It seems some rides are chariots of the gods
     
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  7. Clutch

    Clutch Team Owner

    And some rides are free.
     
  8. KTMLew01

    KTMLew01 Team Owner

    The hauler drivers ARE Gods...apparently.:flushed:
     
  9. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    They say it was William Byron's reputation for driving simulated haulers that caught the eyes of Nascar owners. The sim race car driving was a nice bonus, but that sim hauler driving was the true sheit.
     
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  10. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    There aren't many women or minorities in racing because there just aren't many women or minorities who race. It's that simple. It's a numbers game. It's the same reason why there aren't many African Americans in baseball. Most young American black youths generally choose football or basketball over baseball. Meanwhile, baseball is the most popular sport in countries like the Dominican Republic, which is why there are so many in MLB. Same reason why there's so many Canadians and Russians in hockey. Same reason why US men's soccer is generally awful, because our best athletes usually choose other sports. It's all relative.

    Look at where racers come from. Look at anyone that advances past go karts, quarter midgets, and late models on the local tracks. The vast majority are white males, and only a very small percentage of these racers will ever make it to NASCAR. So it's not surprising that there's a "lack of diversity" because most folks interested in racing careers are statistically white males.

    If we can get more women and more minorities interested in racing, it'll take care of itself in time. The cream will always rise to the top, and talent won't care about your gender or ethnicity.
     
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  11. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Good post.
     
  12. aroundgoes

    aroundgoes Team Owner

    who cares????
     
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  13. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    /thread
     
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  14. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    two sweet brings up some good points, but if there are barriers to minorities choosing NASCAR due to racism, sexism etc its not the full picture. Its like being gifted in math but you grow up in a drug infested home or area.,

    Just because you have the aptitude doesn't mean you have the opportunity. I am glad for NASCARs diversity program though it helps.
     
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  15. KTMLew01

    KTMLew01 Team Owner

    I constantly see Hailie getting crucified for using the bumper to win on SHORT TRACKS...ummmm? Dale Sr? He made a career out of mugging people.
     
  16. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    Correct.....but Good news is she doesnt care. Shes there to drive and win.
     
  17. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    I actually look at that as a strong point for her. I think that kind of aggressiveness has been what has been lacking in other female drivers, and it's hard to teach. It would be much easier to reign that aggression in a little than to ramp it up. If she has a future in NASCAR, she can't allow herself to be just pushed around.
     
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  18. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    She got stones for sure. Those stadium trucks she drives look dangerous. In her off time shes always driving as well.
    We shall see. Very aggressive
     
  19. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Deegan is in a winning car -- and she won. Placing 3d in the West for the Season seems good, not great. Led 67 laps, so that doesn't seem too good.

    I only watched 3 of the races, to see what's up. I enjoyed the announcers as much as the racing.

    I'm not a fan of any driver in the lower series, but can't wait to watch her respond to a next level challenge.

    Her opportunities do not appear outrageous or out-of-balance with other drivers in the pipeline heading towards Trucks-X-Cup. Famous offspring still seem to get an edge before other considerations, imho.

    https://www.racing-reference.info/yeardet/2019/P
     
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  20. Nitro Dude

    Nitro Dude Hauler Driver and Cylinder Head Maintenance

    A lot the time it's not so much about what someone does but who does it.
     
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  21. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Where?
     
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  22. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    Don't confuse this non stop argument with statistics, nobody wants to hear that! :eek: :D
     
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  23. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I agree. I like her aggression being sent as a message. But eventually she needs dominate a race or 2 or win in convincing fashion.

    I'm really baffled at her performance in the West Series compared to some of her starts in other series.
     
  24. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    She’s training for the hauler driver spot.
     
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  25. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Most of the drivers who have competed for Bill McAnally are damn good drivers.
     
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  26. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    Good ole boys network.

    Also the crisis of ability vs opportunity as I have mentioned in previous posts.
     
  27. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Where?

    If only saying it made it so.


    This isn’t racist nor sexist. It’s luck of the draw, interest and willingness to succeed.
     
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  28. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    The shoe throwing incident DP dealt with. The comments on the radio made to her, the tone of the drivers. Drivers drove her harder than everyone else as they didnt want to get beat by a girl.

    Thinking its not true doesnt make it untrue.
     
  29. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

  30. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    You mean someone threw a sneaker on the track deliberately aiming for just her to run it over and their sexist shoe plan worked to perfection? Come on get real. Yes, she ran over a shoe. So did the car behind her. She was being caught before she ran it over and she was being out-braked all race long. That’s not sexist lmao.

    How many other drivers that deliberately raced her harder because she had a vag still have rides today?
     
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  31. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    every driver. do some googling. also read my link. dont close your eyes cause it doesnt fit your narrative
     
  32. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    If every driver who raced her harder no longer has a job, that means the jobs are handed out based on merit and ability to hold sponsorship - not by what genitalia they possess.

    I don't need to “do some googling”. I have my own thoughts, not what I was told to think.
     
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  33. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    Most drivers still have a job that raced her harder than anyone else.
     
  34. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Who?
     
  35. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    Joey L has indicated so in his in car rants.
     
  36. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    If we took what every driver has said about their competition while racing, at face value, every driver would be each other’s throats.

    If youre gonna claim that female drivers like Danica Patrick were held back by a “good ol boy” network you’re gonna need more evidence than 1 driver in the heat of battle.
     
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  37. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    from my link:

    also:

    'Male drivers told me it really hurt their ego'
    Only two women, Maria Teresa de Filippis and Lelli Lombardi, have started a Formula 1 grand prix.

    In 2014, Susie Wolff became the first woman for 22 years to take part in a race weekend, at the British GP.
     
  38. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    So because another driver raced for their position and didnt lay over, she got offended “as a woman” and wrecked them both? No wonder she may have been raced differently. Sounds more like poor decision making than actual discrimination by a supposed established network of bigotry within the sport of NASCAR.

    I’m not at all familiar with the cultures and treatments of females in international sports like F1.
     
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  39. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    many drivers dont lift if they are holding their line. man or woman
     
  40. Nitro Dude

    Nitro Dude Hauler Driver and Cylinder Head Maintenance

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