Diversity....what happened in NASCAR?

ChexOrWrex said:
He mentioned minorities and the only race you picked out was african american.

remember kyle larson is asain american and daniel suarez is mexican american.

this is not in context to his post, just pointing out some other “minorities” in the cup series that have rightfully earned their spots.
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I was going to list Suarez but I don't know if he has a ride next year. I missed Larson so good catch.
 
StandOnIt said:
I'll probably get the real scoop from the hauler drivers. BTW she got a top 5 and 4 top 10's out of 6 starts ( tracks she has never run on) this year in ARCA in a Venturini car. Maybe McAnally slipped a car to her.
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Not to pick on her, but with the historically weak ARCA fields the last couple years, those stats don't say a whole lot, and if you can't win in a Venturini car, you probably aren't going to win.
 
i dont think she is getting the best cars and crew,because i think they are just rentals.like the 3 or 4 car on more teams.if you watched most of the races her crew made a lot of mistakes.maybe they are part timers.
 
There aren't many women or minorities in racing because there just aren't many women or minorities who race. It's that simple. It's a numbers game. It's the same reason why there aren't many African Americans in baseball. Most young American black youths generally choose football or basketball over baseball. Meanwhile, baseball is the most popular sport in countries like the Dominican Republic, which is why there are so many in MLB. Same reason why there's so many Canadians and Russians in hockey. Same reason why US men's soccer is generally awful, because our best athletes usually choose other sports. It's all relative.

Look at where racers come from. Look at anyone that advances past go karts, quarter midgets, and late models on the local tracks. The vast majority are white males, and only a very small percentage of these racers will ever make it to NASCAR. So it's not surprising that there's a "lack of diversity" because most folks interested in racing careers are statistically white males.

If we can get more women and more minorities interested in racing, it'll take care of itself in time. The cream will always rise to the top, and talent won't care about your gender or ethnicity.
 
2 Sweet said:
There aren't many women or minorities in racing because there just aren't many women or minorities who race. It's that simple. It's a numbers game. It's the same reason why there aren't many African Americans in baseball. Most young American black youths generally choose football or basketball over baseball. Meanwhile, baseball is the most popular sport in countries like the Dominican Republic, which is why there are so many in MLB. Same reason why there's so many Canadians and Russians in hockey. Same reason why US men's soccer is generally awful, because our best athletes usually choose other sports. It's all relative.

Look at where racers come from. Look at anyone that advances past go karts, quarter midgets, and late models on the local tracks. The vast majority are white males, and only a very small percentage of these racers will ever make it to NASCAR. So it's not surprising that there's a "lack of diversity" because most folks interested in racing careers are statistically white males.

If we can get more women and more minorities interested in racing, it'll take care of itself in time. The cream will always rise to the top, and talent won't care about your gender or ethnicity.
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Good post.
 
2 Sweet said:
There aren't many women or minorities in racing because there just aren't many women or minorities who race. It's that simple. It's a numbers game. It's the same reason why there aren't many African Americans in baseball. Most young American black youths generally choose football or basketball over baseball. Meanwhile, baseball is the most popular sport in countries like the Dominican Republic, which is why there are so many in MLB. Same reason why there's so many Canadians and Russians in hockey. Same reason why US men's soccer is generally awful, because our best athletes usually choose other sports. It's all relative.

Look at where racers come from. Look at anyone that advances past go karts, quarter midgets, and late models on the local tracks. The vast majority are white males, and only a very small percentage of these racers will ever make it to NASCAR. So it's not surprising that there's a "lack of diversity" because most folks interested in racing careers are statistically white males.

If we can get more women and more minorities interested in racing, it'll take care of itself in time. The cream will always rise to the top, and talent won't care about your gender or ethnicity.
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two sweet brings up some good points, but if there are barriers to minorities choosing NASCAR due to racism, sexism etc its not the full picture. Its like being gifted in math but you grow up in a drug infested home or area.,

Just because you have the aptitude doesn't mean you have the opportunity. I am glad for NASCARs diversity program though it helps.
 
DanicaFreak said:
two sweet brings up some good points, but if there are barriers to minorities choosing NASCAR due to racism, sexism etc its not the full picture. Its like being gifted in math but you grow up in a drug infested home or area.,

Just because you have the aptitude doesn't mean you have the opportunity. I am glad for NASCARs diversity program though it helps.
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I constantly see Hailie getting crucified for using the bumper to win on SHORT TRACKS...ummmm? Dale Sr? He made a career out of mugging people.
 
KTMLew01 said:
I constantly see Hailie getting crucified for using the bumper to win on SHORT TRACKS...ummmm? Dale Sr? He made a career out of mugging people.
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Correct.....but Good news is she doesnt care. Shes there to drive and win.
 
KTMLew01 said:
I constantly see Hailie getting crucified for using the bumper to win on SHORT TRACKS...ummmm? Dale Sr? He made a career out of mugging people.
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I actually look at that as a strong point for her. I think that kind of aggressiveness has been what has been lacking in other female drivers, and it's hard to teach. It would be much easier to reign that aggression in a little than to ramp it up. If she has a future in NASCAR, she can't allow herself to be just pushed around.
 
Formerjackman said:
I actually look at that as a strong point for her. I think that kind of aggressiveness has been what has been lacking in other female drivers, and it's hard to teach. It would be much easier to reign that aggression in a little than to ramp it up. If she has a future in NASCAR, she can't allow herself to be just pushed around.
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She got stones for sure. Those stadium trucks she drives look dangerous. In her off time shes always driving as well.
We shall see. Very aggressive
 
Deegan is in a winning car -- and she won. Placing 3d in the West for the Season seems good, not great. Led 67 laps, so that doesn't seem too good.

I only watched 3 of the races, to see what's up. I enjoyed the announcers as much as the racing.

I'm not a fan of any driver in the lower series, but can't wait to watch her respond to a next level challenge.

Her opportunities do not appear outrageous or out-of-balance with other drivers in the pipeline heading towards Trucks-X-Cup. Famous offspring still seem to get an edge before other considerations, imho.

https://www.racing-reference.info/yeardet/2019/P
 
KTMLew01 said:
I constantly see Hailie getting crucified for using the bumper to win on SHORT TRACKS...ummmm? Dale Sr? He made a career out of mugging people.
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A lot the time it's not so much about what someone does but who does it.
 
2 Sweet said:
There aren't many women or minorities in racing because there just aren't many women or minorities who race. It's that simple. It's a numbers game. It's the same reason why there aren't many African Americans in baseball. Most young American black youths generally choose football or basketball over baseball. Meanwhile, baseball is the most popular sport in countries like the Dominican Republic, which is why there are so many in MLB. Same reason why there's so many Canadians and Russians in hockey. Same reason why US men's soccer is generally awful, because our best athletes usually choose other sports. It's all relative.

Look at where racers come from. Look at anyone that advances past go karts, quarter midgets, and late models on the local tracks. The vast majority are white males, and only a very small percentage of these racers will ever make it to NASCAR. So it's not surprising that there's a "lack of diversity" because most folks interested in racing careers are statistically white males.

If we can get more women and more minorities interested in racing, it'll take care of itself in time. The cream will always rise to the top, and talent won't care about your gender or ethnicity.
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Don't confuse this non stop argument with statistics, nobody wants to hear that! :eek: :D
 
Formerjackman said:
I actually look at that as a strong point for her. I think that kind of aggressiveness has been what has been lacking in other female drivers, and it's hard to teach. It would be much easier to reign that aggression in a little than to ramp it up. If she has a future in NASCAR, she can't allow herself to be just pushed around.
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I agree. I like her aggression being sent as a message. But eventually she needs dominate a race or 2 or win in convincing fashion.

I'm really baffled at her performance in the West Series compared to some of her starts in other series.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
oh you mean by who has the check book to pay? that is how the rides are vetted for that team. and it could come from a variety of sources. if its about looking for the best available driver in that series its not hard to find them, lots of former drivers that ran really well in that series but failed to move on to trucks or NXS.
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Most of the drivers who have competed for Bill McAnally are damn good drivers.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Where?

If only saying it made it so.
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The shoe throwing incident DP dealt with. The comments on the radio made to her, the tone of the drivers. Drivers drove her harder than everyone else as they didnt want to get beat by a girl.

Thinking its not true doesnt make it untrue.
 
DanicaFreak said:
The shoe throwing incident DP dealt with. The comments on the radio made to her, the tone of the drivers. Drivers drove her harder than everyone else as they didnt want to get beat by a girl.

Thinking its not true doesnt make it untrue.
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You mean someone threw a sneaker on the track deliberately aiming for just her to run it over and their sexist shoe plan worked to perfection? Come on get real. Yes, she ran over a shoe. So did the car behind her. She was being caught before she ran it over and she was being out-braked all race long. That’s not sexist lmao.

How many other drivers that deliberately raced her harder because she had a vag still have rides today?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
You mean someone threw a sneaker on the track deliberately aiming for just her to run it over and their sexist shoe plan worked to perfection? Come on get real. Yes, she ran over a shoe. So did the car behind her. She was being caught before she ran it over and she was being out-braked all race long. That’s not sexist lmao.

How many other drivers that deliberately raced her harder because she had a vag still have rides today?
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every driver. do some googling. also read my link. dont close your eyes cause it doesnt fit your narrative
 
DanicaFreak said:
every driver.
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If every driver who raced her harder no longer has a job, that means the jobs are handed out based on merit and ability to hold sponsorship - not by what genitalia they possess.

I don't need to “do some googling”. I have my own thoughts, not what I was told to think.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If every driver who raced her harder no longer has a job, that means the jobs are handed out based on merit and ability to hold sponsorship - not by what genitalia they possess.

I don't need to “do some googling”. I have my own thoughts, not what I was told to think.
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Most drivers still have a job that raced her harder than anyone else.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Joey L has indicated so in his in car rants.
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If we took what every driver has said about their competition while racing, at face value, every driver would be each other’s throats.

If youre gonna claim that female drivers like Danica Patrick were held back by a “good ol boy” network you’re gonna need more evidence than 1 driver in the heat of battle.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If we took what every driver has said about their competition while racing, at face value, every driver would be each other’s throats.

If youre gonna claim that female drivers like Danica Patrick were held back by a “good ol boy” network you’re gonna need more evidence than 1 driver in the heat of battle.
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from my link:

"There were some occasions where I thought I'm not going to lift because this is my position and it's their time to brake," she said.

"The other guy has not braked, so we crashed, but it was the only way to make him understand that, just because I'm a woman, I'm not going to give him the place.

"Sometimes that's also how you have to earn that respect. He never did it again."
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also:

'Male drivers told me it really hurt their ego'
Only two women, Maria Teresa de Filippis and Lelli Lombardi, have started a Formula 1 grand prix.

In 2014, Susie Wolff became the first woman for 22 years to take part in a race weekend, at the British GP.
 
DanicaFreak said:
from my link:



also:

'Male drivers told me it really hurt their ego'
Only two women, Maria Teresa de Filippis and Lelli Lombardi, have started a Formula 1 grand prix.

In 2014, Susie Wolff became the first woman for 22 years to take part in a race weekend, at the British GP.
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So because another driver raced for their position and didnt lay over, she got offended “as a woman” and wrecked them both? No wonder she may have been raced differently. Sounds more like poor decision making than actual discrimination by a supposed established network of bigotry within the sport of NASCAR.

I’m not at all familiar with the cultures and treatments of females in international sports like F1.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So because another driver raced for their position and didnt lay over, she got offended “as a woman” and wrecked them both? No wonder she may have been raced differently. Sounds more like poor decision making than actual discrimination by a supposed established network of bigotry within the sport of NASCAR.

I’m not at all familiar with the cultures and treatments of females in international sports like F1.
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many drivers dont lift if they are holding their line. man or woman
 
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