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I think my first call has to be Toyota here. TRD in F1 would be incredible
Toyota tried to outspend everyone and ended up falling on their faces. With them committed to WEC and the Hypercar, I think that would be enough for them. Not unless they decide to, but I doubt them coming back to F1 anytime soon. If they decide to move, they will more than likely pull out of WEC.
 

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Unbelievable, I have a feeling Red Bull is going to pull the plug on F1 sooner than later. Man, to think that might be a possibility of them pulling the plug would be devastating to F1 in its current state. These engines are far too complex, too expensive, and teams are happy enough to take it on the chin. However, with Honda pulling out I feel horrible for Yuki Tsunonda. Honda has pushed him and with Red Bull possibly starting to look at other options...

F1 needs solutions and quickly, this is not a good sign after Honda just signing on five years ago. I'm not sure any other manufacturers would be heavily interested either. They need simplified, cost effective solutions. This is something everyone has known for ages.

Also, I have a feeling Honda to NASCAR is starting to sound less far-fetched as expected.
Honda are going to need a new Japanese face in IndyCar within the next couple of years...just sayin’. I like Yuki. If they go WEC that wouldn’t be a bad ride either.

Honda will be moving funds to carbon neutrality R&D:
 

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Honda are going to need a new Japanese face in IndyCar within the next couple of years...just sayin’. I like Yuki. If they go WEC that wouldn’t be a bad ride either.

Honda will be moving funds to carbon neutrality R&D:
Reading that it sounds like Formula E will be the move for them most likely. I like FE, but man I just hope the big wigs in Japan leave the North American side alone and let them make decisions. With that WEC would not be a bad move, however I can see things happening like that in the future.

Man, I would LOVE to see Yuki in IndyCar. My heart would melt as Taku would be a wonderful mentor to him. Still, I want I selfishly want Kamui over in the US, too.

You think there is anyway VW could possibly do anything to get involved? I mean Audi isn't doing much right now outside of DTM, GT3/GTE, and FE. Porsche is leaving IMSA in the GTLM class, I think either Audi or Porsche will do something in a few years. Red Bull and VW have worked together for years in the feeder series. I doubt Ferrari will sign Red Bull, Renault or Mercedes.

Someone will have to step in or Red Bull is pulling the plug entirely. I just don't see it happening though this soon without someone starting to R&D a new engine to be ready for the new regulations come 2022.
 

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Scarborough hits the nail on the head here:


So back to the older V8 concepts of the previous decade? That could be a possibility because the ICE costs have been out of control. Specific components can be upgraded, however the ICE cannot in some areas. One team that hates the concept of an anything spec?

Ferrari.
 

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Reading that it sounds like Formula E will be the move for them most likely. I like FE, but man I just hope the big wigs in Japan leave the North American side alone and let them make decisions. With that WEC would not be a bad move, however I can see things happening like that in the future.

Man, I would LOVE to see Yuki in IndyCar. My heart would melt as Taku would be a wonderful mentor to him. Still, I want I selfishly want Kamui over in the US, too.

You think there is anyway VW could possibly do anything to get involved? I mean Audi isn't doing much right now outside of DTM, GT3/GTE, and FE. Porsche is leaving IMSA in the GTLM class, I think either Audi or Porsche will do something in a few years. Red Bull and VW have worked together for years in the feeder series. I doubt Ferrari will sign Red Bull, Renault or Mercedes.

Someone will have to step in or Red Bull is pulling the plug entirely. I just don't see it happening though this soon without someone starting to R&D a new engine to be ready for the new regulations come 2022.
I think HPD should be okay, their programs are much more sustainable and cost-effective compared to what Honda Racing would be spending on F1. And I think going prototype racing globally is a legit possibility; Ted Klaus mentioned last week HPD mentioned they were in constant dialogue with Honda Racing in Japan when talking about the LMDh stuff.

VW probably goes prototype racing again IMO, and there were rumors for years not long ago about Porsche and Audi going to F1 but it just couldn’t materialize. Porsche actually built a prototype of a next-Gen F1 engine but then they opted to go to FE instead.

 

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It's pretty much guaranteed that Red Bull will use Renault engines in 2022. I'm glad they parted on good terms last time. :p
 

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It's pretty much guaranteed that Red Bull will use Renault engines in 2022. I'm glad they parted on good terms last time. :p
Honestly why not Ford? They’ve made such an electric push lately, I’d love to see Red Bull and Ford team up and show some American power in this series
 

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Honda are going to need a new Japanese face in IndyCar within the next couple of years...just sayin’. I like Yuki. If they go WEC that wouldn’t be a bad ride either.

Honda will be moving funds to carbon neutrality R&D:
To me more of this will happen as it becomes more and more popular to remove internal combustion engines from the globe. It's also a good excuse to get out of racing without a black eye. As much as I am not in favor of it, something along the lines of hybrids might satisfy the growing negativity.
 

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But tell me how you REALLY feel.

I like where this is going...
RB could go back to Renault or even Ferrari but their ego prevents them from doing so. They want to maintain their independence, keep their own engine to themselves, custom fit to their own chassis, but don’t want to or don’t have the resources to develop them at all, and prevent the rest of the field from working on theirs as well. It’s no one’s problem but their own that Honda bailed on them.

Ferrari will not spend four years with a crap engine if they don’t have to. Renault are making strides now and won’t freeze development unless there’s a parity adjustment prior to such a freeze. Meanwhile Mercedes are all about this plan, and why not? They have the best engine again so they’d get to save money and kick everyone’s ass for another four seasons. This would be terrible for the series.

Keep in mind that customer engine supply deals are cost-capped already, so Renault or Ferrari wouldn’t be able to milk them. They’re willing to pay more for IP rights and to build engines but not develop them than to just pay for a normal supply agreement.
 

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RB could go back to Renault or even Ferrari but their ego prevents them from doing so. They want to maintain their independence, keep their own engine to themselves, custom fit to their own chassis, but don’t want to or don’t have the resources to develop them at all, and prevent the rest of the field from working on theirs as well. It’s no one’s problem but their own that Honda bailed on them.

Ferrari will not spend four years with a crap engine if they don’t have to. Renault are making strides now and won’t freeze development unless there’s a parity adjustment prior to such a freeze. Meanwhile Mercedes are all about this plan, and why not? They have the best engine again so they’d get to save money and kick everyone’s ass for another four seasons. This would be terrible for the series.

Keep in mind that customer engine supply deals are cost-capped already, so Renault or Ferrari wouldn’t be able to milk them. They’re willing to pay more for IP rights and to build engines but not develop them than to just pay for a normal supply agreement.
My G.

This is why I **** with you. Red Bull have been bellyaching for a LONG time. However, if they want to develop their own engine under the "Mugen" tag. Then by all means, go for it. At the end of the day, they have no one to blame but themselves about being in this pinch with Honda leaving the sport again. They previously alienated Renault talking loads of crap about them. I'm surprised they are even interested in even providing engines for Red Bull after their botched Hybrid era relationship.

Horner has been the caveat through this time as he complained about Renault over and over again. Now, Mateschitz is looking at the money involved for developing everything on their own... Yeah, I doubt he wants to fund all of this and Horner knows the team is in a rock and a hard place for 2022 onwards.

If they want to spend more for their own IP to create to their chassis, then by all means go for it. Still, to complain about the costs now is just downright ridiculous. Red Bull did it to themselves, the engine regs need to be simplified, for sure.

I don't think any of the teams mind developing the engine, it's the over complicated KERS system and the FIA pressing so hard to implement into every series driving costs up for everyone.
 

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Renault will have no customer engine teams after this year so they have no choice but to supply Red Bull.
 

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Renault will have no customer engine teams after this year so they have no choice but to supply Red Bull.
You don't need a customer team. It helps with data collection and can make a little more money, but I don't think it's necessary.
 

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In an interview with Sky, Helmut Marko has confirmed that Tsunoda will drive for AlphaTauri next year if he gets enough super license points.
He also said that according to the information he received, Mick has secured an F1 seat with Sauber or Haas.
Albon is not save at RBR next year. If he doesn't improve, Perez or Hülkenberg would be the first candidates for the second Red Bull.
 

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Russell is probably SOL for next year if this happens as I don’t see anywhere else for him to slot in besides as a test driver/reserve.

 

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Russell is probably SOL for next year if this happens as I don’t see anywhere else for him to slot in besides as a test driver/reserve.

So the next "Lewis Hamilton" cant even stay afloat on F1 worst team?
 

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So the next "Lewis Hamilton" cant even stay afloat on F1 worst team?
Russell and Latifi were confirmed for 2021 under Williams management before the family sold the team, so this is a pretty late development for George. Unfortunately he doesn’t bring money like Latifi does, which is what the new group is looking for to start building upon. And Perez brings both money and a proven driver with a lot of experience.
 

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Russell and Latifi were confirmed for 2021 under Williams management before the family sold the team, so this is a pretty late development for George. Unfortunately he doesn’t bring money like Latifi does, which is what the new group is looking for to start building upon. And Perez brings both money and a proven driver with a lot of experience.
That makes sense.

But I would have suspected Perez would have taken an eye toward someone like a Hass. Grosjean and Magnussen are definitely gone I would think.
 

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Haas look poised to run two rookies in 2021, which has to be terrible from a setup perspective. Mazepin and Schumacher seems to be the prevailing theory recently.

 

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That makes sense.

But I would have suspected Perez would have taken an eye toward someone like a Hass. Grosjean and Magnussen are definitely gone I would think.
Haas and Carlos Slim reportedly still have less than amicable feelings towards each other over dealings with Esteban Gutierrez and Daniel Suarez, so it doesn’t sound like that was ever much of a possibility to begin with.
 

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Haas and Carlos Slim reportedly still have less than amicable feelings towards each other over dealings with Esteban Gutierrez and Daniel Suarez, so it doesn’t sound like that was ever much of a possibility to begin with.
As your immediate post points out apparently. Hass is really going for broke.

Dont blame them. But they stuck with the Grosjean/Magnussen duo for too long and they know it.
 

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As your immediate post points out apparently. Hass is really going for broke.

Dont blame them. But they stuck with the Grosjean/Magnussen duo for too long and they know it.
K-Mag is worth keeping, however Grojsean is underestimated in his ability to give technical feedback. From my understanding Grojsean was pretty good at it.

Going to two rookies for Haas is a bold move, but the pandemic has out Gene in a bit of a tight spot and money is needed. Mazepin and Schumacher have money, so it's hard to pass up at this moment for Haas.
 

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Russell is probably SOL for next year if this happens as I don’t see anywhere else for him to slot in besides as a test driver/reserve.

The Pascal Wehrlein story
Came into F1 as a prospect for Mercedes, was "parked" at a backmarker team and loses his seat to someone with more money.
 

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Supposedly K-Mag is done with F1.

Man, it would be cool to see K-Mag get involved with Chevy and the GTLM program like his Dad in IMSA.

I've been a big fan of his (K-Mag) for sometime, I hope he lands on his feet somewhere and is competitive. RoGro will have a ton of options and honestly its probably the best to see him move on from the mid-field of F1. To see RoGro in something like WEC or Formula E would be cool, its a shame because I like both drivers.

George Russell should not have to be struggling for a seat. To even hear he might be out of F1 next season is a big problem, however Perez and Latifi would bring in a nice influx of cash to Williams. This is a brutal start to the morning news wise.
 

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Supposedly K-Mag is done with F1.

Man, it would be cool to see K-Mag get involved with Chevy and the GTLM program like his Dad in IMSA.

I've been a big fan of his (K-Mag) for sometime, I hope he lands on his feet somewhere and is competitive. RoGro will have a ton of options and honestly its probably the best to see him move on from the mid-field of F1. To see RoGro in something like WEC or Formula E would be cool, its a shame because I like both drivers.

George Russell should not have to be struggling for a seat. To even hear he might be out of F1 next season is a big problem, however Perez and Latifi would bring in a nice influx of cash to Williams. This is a brutal start to the morning news wise.
One of the Danish article translations said Magnussen’s first priority is IndyCar, which would line up with what he said earlier this year. Obviously Jan raced in CART and K-Mag seemed awfully high on the idea. I think his style would work well with the cars too.


Romain seems destined for an FE ride or a couple of years down the road a Peugeot WEC ride. I don’t really associate him as a type of driver suitable to endurance racing but the French connection certainly helps.

I think Russell is kinda screwed as he doesn’t bring money, doesn’t really seem to have Mercedes’ blessing anymore, and all of the paying seats are spoken for or appear to have a leading candidate already. Tough business.
 

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Not a big surprise that both Grosjean and Magnussen will be out of F1 after this season. Haas was pretty good in 2018 but it's been going south ever since.

Hyper-agressive Grosjean was fun in 2012 and 13 and when Magnussen finished 2nd in his first race, I thought he was going to be Max Verstappen. Unfortunately that will remain his only podium finish.

I have to say I am going to miss both of them.
 
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