Goodyear Tires performance at Fontana

SlicedBread22 said:
I think they need to just repave the back stretch
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In other words a typical nascar remedy, a Band-Aid when major surgery is needed.
Track opened in '97 and they're running on the original surface. Time for the Brain to crack open his wallet and have the track re-paved.
 
It looks like the fans that their teams didn't finish good thinks there is a problem and fans with teams that finished good doesn't...that's a normal reaction.
 
Some teams ran too aggressive of a setup. They made the decision to do that. They paid the price.

It's not really any different that it was a while back in this sport. Many of you probably weren't around to witness it I guess. Tire management was key. It hasn't been like that for a while now. These teams will learn. Probably the hard way.
 
I've been a proponent to give the car back to the driver and make him/her "drive" the damn thing. NASCAR seems to be moving back to the days of yore, now it's up to the drivers to make changes. Sometimes you just have to "drive" the car instead of relying on the "car" to do all the work.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Some teams ran too aggressive of a setup. They made the decision to do that. They paid the price.

It's not really any different that it was a while back in this sport. Many of you probably weren't around to witness it I guess. Tire management was key. It hasn't been like that for a while now. These teams will learn. Probably the hard way.
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Yep. that's why i said in a prevoius post that if they ran this race again tomorrow you wouldn't see hardly any blown tires.;)
 
Nitro Dude said:
It looks like the fans that their teams didn't finish good thinks there is a problem and fans with teams that finished good doesn't...that's a normal reaction.
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I am a Harvick fan and I am putting it all on the teams. However I am also a SHR fan altogether, so maybe they cancel each other out. :D
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Some teams ran too aggressive of a setup. They made the decision to do that. They paid the price.

It's not really any different that it was a while back in this sport. Many of you probably weren't around to witness it I guess. Tire management was key. It hasn't been like that for a while now. These teams will learn. Probably the hard way.
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Yes! It is finally so good and refreshing to see tracks with an abrasive surface. Those old races at Rockingham and Atlanta come to mind. Pick your lane, any lane and fight for the lead. If ISC chooses to repave california then I think they will make a huge mistake and that track will go back to full empty seats. Who knows next year they might actually sell the place out!
 
Nitro Dude said:
Yep. that's why i said in a prevoius post that if they ran this race again tomorrow you wouldn't see hardly any blown tires.;)
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I just listened to some audio from Kurt Busch. He said that his team had a tire issue late in Happy Hour. He stated that he was glad that happened to them without damaging the car. It allowed them to focus in on making changes to their setup to prevent that from happening for the race. Seems like some team learned and some didn't. Eventually they all will.

Listened to Steve Letarte earlier on Sirius/XM. He seemed to indicate that he felt that their tire issues were a direct result of setup and not the tire itself.
 
mreed said:
It's no secret the track has bumps. Goodyear knows it.
I won't say it's all Goodyear's fault, but they are partly to blame for the 20 lap limit on the tire.
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I just can't put any of it on Goodyear. This is one of the main problems with Nascar racing today. Teams expect Goodyear to produce them a tire that never wears. They want a tire that will go a full fuel run where they can run wide open every single lap. How about teams actually do their homework and learn to set the car up right, and drivers learn to drive their cars right.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
I've been a proponent to give the car back to the driver and make him/her "drive" the damn thing. NASCAR seems to be moving back to the days of yore, now it's up to the drivers to make changes. Sometimes you just have to "drive" the car instead of relying on the "car" to do all the work.
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another good one!
 
Bobw said:
In other words a typical nascar remedy, a Band-Aid when major surgery is needed.
Track opened in '97 and they're running on the original surface. Time for the Brain to crack open his wallet and have the track re-paved.
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Why? so we can go back to typical follow the leader racing?
 
I don't want the track re-paved --- and from what I could hear, neither do the drivers. The track isn't the problem --- whether or not the teams want to admit it, their aggressive setups with these new cars did NOT work. There were teams that had NO tire problems --- if it had been the bad track, they would have.
 
They should repave the backstretch but only because in its current form it's a deathtrap for the IndyCars.
 
I thought the race was great. But the drivers are mad and they're whining about it so I'm sure Goodyear will bring a rock tire next year that doesn't wear at all and the track will be repaved soon.
 
I don't think Good Year should shoulder all the responsibility but did see teams pushing the envelope on rear camber and overall setups. I liked the race and recall when bias ply tires always had drivers wondering if they might go flat or blow out. It was a staple of the series and no one much cared. And remember when radials were introduced? They were pretty scary at first, unexpected spins, wrecks and flats, until drivers and teams learned how to set them up. Next race at California, gaur - un- teed, setups will be less aggressive, drivers will approach the race differently. And, Good Year will bring a different tire.
 
KevinWI said:
They should repave the backstretch but only because in its current form it's a deathtrap for the IndyCars.
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If they do that, I'll be pissed. Half of NASCAR races suck because they race on tracks designed for IndyCars. Yeah, let's just keep appeasing the five people who watch IndyCar and the expense of the five million who watch NASCAR. :rolleyes:
 
My main hope is that the teams have learned a lesson and take a less aggressive approach when they hit Michigan in June --- although that track isn't as bumpy as Fontana.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
If they do that, I'll be pissed. Half of NASCAR races suck because they race on tracks designed for IndyCars. Yeah, let's just keep appeasing the five people who watch IndyCar and the expense of the five million who watch NASCAR. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, and if ISC does something that the great Andy Marquis disagrees with, watch the **** out. :rolleyes:
 
KevinWI said:
Yeah, and if ISC does something that the great Andy Marquis disagrees with, watch the **** out. :rolleyes:
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IndyCar can race elsewhere. I love IndyCar racing but ruining a track that provides great NASCAR races for five million people to provide a good IndyCar race for maybe 500,000 people (more like 120,000 people) doesn't make sense.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
IndyCar can race elsewhere. I love IndyCar racing but ruining a track that provides great NASCAR races for five million people to provide a good IndyCar race for maybe 500,000 people (more like 120,000 people) doesn't make sense.
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IndyCar has great racing at Fontana with the crappy surface. It's more of a safety issue for them.

NASCAR should fix their competition issues. A new track surface shouldn't mean a worse racing product.
 
Kyle18fan said:
What was it u were wishing for, besides a Joey win and uhhhhhh....................... tires that wore out quickly :p
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We know you're happy. Kyle lucked into another Fontana win. Bowyer is catching hell from Gordon fans who think he spun on purpose.
 
KevinWI said:
IndyCar has great racing at Fontana with the crappy surface. It's more of a safety issue for them.

NASCAR should fix their competition issues. A new track surface shouldn't mean a worse racing product.
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New track surfaces almost always produce crappy racing in stock car racing - this is even true on short tracks. I'm so sick of tracks being repaved every time a driver sees a bump and whines and cries about it because NASCAR drivers don't want to get up on the wheel. Now, we're supposed to repave tracks when IndyCar drivers whine?

Yesterday's Cup race was great all race. I've been wanting to see a tire management race for a long time.
 
Nitro Dude said:
My philosophy for any kind of car racing is that unless the track just isn't safe you are suppose to set your cars up to fit the track...they are not suppose to set the track up to fit your car.
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Agreed. I'm just not sure nascar should let these teams go as far as they do when it turns into a pop fest.
 
Nitro Dude said:
My philosophy for any kind of car racing is that unless the track just isn't safe you are suppose to set your cars up to fit the track...they are not suppose to set the track up to fit your car.
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The tracks have spent the last decade repaving and reconfiguring tracks to appease the drivers and the result has been a decade of races being boring as hell more often than not. For crying out loud, they absolutely destroyed Bristol because the drivers wanted it to race like a superspeedway. I sure hope we see more races like yesterday where tire management is a thing and storylines develop during races.

You'll notice that the real drivers, the ones who have talent and know that the fans don't like to sleep on raceday, they were the ones praising the product yesterday.
 
FenderBumper said:
Agreed. I'm just not sure nascar should let these teams go as far as they do when it turns into a pop fest.
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I will bet the teams fix the problem. But, if not, then a couple of small rule changes will force them to fix the the problem.
 
FenderBumper said:
We know you're happy. Kyle lucked into another Fontana win. Bowyer is catching hell from Gordon fans who think he spun on purpose.
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The green white checker antics of Mr Busch were more skill than luck, 4 fresh helped of course. Even the best blocker in the business ( the guy that never blocks) couldnt hold him back.

Are you serious about the Bowyer spin ??
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I sure hope we see more races like yesterday where tire management is a thing and storylines develop during races.

You'll notice that the real drivers, the ones who have talent and know that the fans don't like to sleep on raceday, they were the ones praising the product yesterday.
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Yep, but here's the problem now. Teams running low pressures gave Goodyear a black eye. There's no way they let that happen week after week, so..

Choice A: Go back to hard tires.
Choice B: Set a minimum tire pressure.

I'll take B any day.
 
FenderBumper said:
Agreed. I'm just not sure nascar should let these teams go as far as they do when it turns into a pop fest.
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But it's not a problem for everyone.

Tire management is something real racecar drivers learn on short tracks racing on 40-year-old track surfaces at tracks like Hickory and Franklin County or races like the PASS Series or the Snowball Derby. The Perimeter Late Models really teach drivers how to take care of their tires because those cars abuse tires. But most of the drivers in NASCAR don't work their way up the ranks and, as a result, have never learned tire management. They run in a few Legends races at Charlotte and then daddy writes a check and they're in a K&N, ARCA car or Truck without any experience.

There's a reason the real racecar drivers, guys like Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch, Kyle Larson, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Matt Kenseth, excelled yesterday.
 
FenderBumper said:
Yep, but here's the problem now. Teams running low pressures gave Goodyear a black eye. There's no way they let that happen week after week, so..

Choice A: Go back to hard tires.
Choice B: Set a minimum tire pressure.

I'll take B any day.
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So do I, but I'm sure we'll end up with option A. Hope I'm wrong. I've been bitching about rock tires for years.
 
Kyle18fan said:
The green white checker antics of Mr Busch were more skill than luck, 4 fresh helped of course. Even the best blocker in the business ( the guy that never blocks) couldnt hold him back.

Are you serious about the Bowyer spin ??
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I thought Kyle took 2 on the last stop? Anyway, Kyle said Dave Rogers made the right call during practice to set the car up to save tires. As far as blocking, Kyle did a fair amount himself. Can't believe Kez didn't wreck him during the 2nd to last run.

Yes, Bowyer is catching hell and went off on twitter calling the fans idiots. lol
 
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