Goodyear Tires performance at Fontana

AndyMarquisLive said:
I doubt Bowyer spun on purpose but I don't take his word on anything after Richmond.
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Errr, he was running 3rd when the tire let loose. It's obvious what happened. No doubts here.

but Carl did spin intentionally to bring out the yellow when his tire blew. He got it completely slowed down on the apron and was told 'no yellow', so he cranks the wheel left and spins. Apparently, nascar didn't mind.
 
FenderBumper said:
But some here think we'll see this drama week after week with no changes to the tires. o_O
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I'd sure like to see races like that week after week. I'd like to see Goodyear bring tires that wear within the pit window to races each week so we can have a deal where drivers that take care of their stuff move to the front on the long runs and drivers who try to be Superman in the first five laps of a run fade. That's the kind of drama that races in the 1990s had - when asses were in seats and fans couldn't get enough NASCAR racing. Maybe that would also eliminate NASCAR's reflexive need to look for reasons to throw cautions in the final laps to create an artificial G-W-C finish.
 
FenderBumper said:
Errr, he was running 3rd when the tire let loose. It's obvious what happened. No doubts here.

but Carl did spin intentionally to bring out the yellow when his tire blew. He got it completely slowed down on the apron and was told 'no yellow', so he cranks the wheel left and spins. Apparently, nascar didn't mind.
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I would've been fine if NASCAR hadn't thrown the caution when Bowyer spun. They didn't throw a caution when Jimmie's tire popped debris all over the track but they get inside two laps to go and NASCAR sure as **** didn't hesitate to throw a caution when Bowyer spun out of harm's way. This goes back to my previous post about NASCAR's reflexive need to manufacture drama and create artificial G-W-C finishes.
 
FenderBumper said:
I thought Kyle took 2 on the last stop? Anyway, Kyle said Dave Rogers made the right call during practice to set the car up to save tires. As far as blocking, Kyle did a fair amount himself. Can't believe Kez didn't wreck him during the 2nd to last run.

Yes, Bowyer is catching hell and went off on twitter calling the fans idiots. lol
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Kyle was the first car with 4 as far as I know, the stop was 11.8 seconds. I didnt say blocking was a bad thing, Kyle threw one on Kyle on the last lap, my point was that Tony was blocking and I recall him saying he doesnt do that

Poor Clint :(
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I'd sure like to see races like that week after week. I'd like to see Goodyear bring tires that wear within the pit window to races each week so we can have a deal where drivers that take care of their stuff move to the front on the long runs and drivers who try to be Superman in the first five laps of a run fade. That's the kind of drama that races in the 1990s had - when asses were in seats and fans couldn't get enough NASCAR racing. Maybe that would also eliminate NASCAR's reflexive need to look for reasons to throw cautions in the final laps to create an artificial G-W-C finish.
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But the tires couldn't make it a full run. Tires blowing up near the end of runs ISN'T 'tires that wear', but some seem to think that's what it means. :confused:
 
FenderBumper said:
Yep, but here's the problem now. Teams running low pressures gave Goodyear a black eye. There's no way they let that happen week after week, so..

Choice A: Go back to hard tires.
Choice B: Set a minimum tire pressure.

I'll take B any day.
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It would be a lot less cost for all involved to set a minimum tire pressure. Goodyear and Nhra had to do that to all the nitro teams a few years ago when some teams were dropping the pressure down below 5 psi and were starting to damage the sidewalls which is obviously not good at 330 mph.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Kyle was the first car with 4 as far as I know, the stop was 11.8 seconds. I didnt say blocking was a bad thing, Kyle threw one on Kyle on the last lap, my point was that Tony was blocking and I recall him saying he doesnt do that

Poor Clint :(
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Yeah, Tony has a rules parser when it comes to what HE does. I'm sure his take is that Joey blocked on a 1.5, and that isn't allowed. Tony blocking a guy to infield on a 2 mile track is fine in his book.
 
Nitro Dude said:
It would be a lot less cost for all involved to set a minimum tire pressure. Goodyear and Nhra had to do that to all the nitro teams a few years ago when some teams were dropping the pressure down below 5 psi and were starting to damage the sidewalls which is obviously not good at 330 mph.
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Exactly. Goodyear can't take a beating like this every week. Hell, it would be cheap enough to install TPS with an indicator light that's visible to the officials on pit road.
 
Kyle18fan said:
We probably know what it means but it was a good opportunity to give you a hard time :D
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I knew some where, but I'm not so sure about others here and on twitter. Some are saying it was the best racing they've seen and hope it's that way every week. o_O
 
FenderBumper said:
Yeah, Tony has a rules parser when it comes to what HE does. I'm sure his take is that Joey blocked on a 1.5, and that isn't allowed. Tony blocking a guy to infield on a 2 mile track is fine in his book.
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Yep the guy that wrecked the whole field at a super speedway when he was blocking doesnt think you should block on a high speed track :laugh:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So, we now want NASCAR to monitor the tire pressure on the cars? Goodyear gives them a recommended tire pressure. Teams can follow it or not. I don't think it should be NASCAR's responsibility.
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Spot on...
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So, we now want NASCAR to monitor the tire pressure on the cars? Goodyear gives them a recommended tire pressure. Teams can follow it or not. I don't think it should be NASCAR's responsibility.
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TexasRaceLady said:
Totally agree. Teams have to take some responsibility.
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You can't ignore reality.

FenderBumper said:
Yep, but here's the problem now. Teams running low pressures gave Goodyear a black eye. There's no way they let that happen week after week, so..
Choice A: Go back to hard tires.
Choice B: Set a minimum tire pressure.
I'll take B any day.
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There are F1 guys slamming Goodyear. There's no way they can leave their reputation in the hands of teams that go too far.
I'll take choice B, because rolling rocks sucked.
 
FenderBumper said:
I knew some where, but I'm not so sure about others here and on twitter. Some are saying it was the best racing they've seen and hope it's that way every week. o_O
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I recall you saying something the other day about tires that wear improve the racing and I agree, its just not often that I get a chance to pick on you so I had to modify yer statement a little. Im just glad that nobody got hurt from the tire failures. Of course I am happy about the eventual outcome of the race, I didnt see that one happening
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Totally agree. Teams have to take some responsibility.
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Exactly. Heck, each week that info is published on Jayski's site. I used to post it as part of the pre race threads. Here it is from this past weekend.....

Goodyear Tires Notes / Fast Facts

  • Tire: Goodyear Eagle Speedway Radials
  • Set limits:
    Sprint Cup: 5 sets for practice/qualifying, and 11 sets for the race;
    Nationwide: 7 sets for the event
  • Tire Codes:
    Left-side -- D-4522; Right-side -- D-4408
  • Tire Circumference:
    Left-side -- 87.5 in. (2,224 mm);
    Right-side -- 88.4 in. (2,245 mm)
  • Technical Inspection Inflation:
    Left Front -- 30 psi; Left Rear -- 30 psi
    Right Front -- 48 psi; Right Rear -- 45 psi
  • Minimum Recommended Inflation:
    Left Front -- 22 psi; Left Rear -- 20 psi;
    Right Front -- 45 psi; Right Rear -- 42 psi
  • Notes: Teams in both the NASCAR Sprint Cup and Nationwide Series will run the same tire codes at Fontana this weekend . . . this is the same combination of left- and right-side tires that these teams have run at this track since 2012 . . . this right-side tire code (D-4408) has been run at Fontana since 2011, while this left-side tire code (D-4522) was introduced the following year . . . as on all NASCAR ovals greater than one mile in length, teams are required to run inner liners in all four tire positions at Fontana . . . air pressure in those inner liners should be 12-25 psi greater than that of the outer tire.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Yep the guy that wrecked the whole field at a super speedway when he was blocking doesnt think you should block on a high speed track :laugh:
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That was pathetic. I liked how Kyle Petty ripped Tony after that race and again when Tony was whining about Joey's block.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So, we now want NASCAR to monitor the tire pressure on the cars? Goodyear gives them a recommended tire pressure. Teams can follow it or not. I don't think it should be NASCAR's responsibility.
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Nope, tire pressure ought to be left out of the rules IMO only problem is they created a real safety hazard pushing the limits. Fixing the bumps might be a good idea though
 
Kyle18fan said:
I recall you saying something the other day about tires that wear improve the racing and I agree, its just not often that I get a chance to pick on you so I had to modify yer statement a little. Im just glad that nobody got hurt from the tire failures. Of course I am happy about the eventual outcome of the race, I didnt see that one happening
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I knew something was up when Brad passed Kyle early in the 2nd to last run, then Kyle came back going as fast as the leaders. Dave made the right call on the setup.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Nope, tire pressure ought to be left out of the rules IMO only problem is they created a real safety hazard pushing the limits. Fixing the bumps might be a good idea though
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so you choose option A? Rock hard tires suck. I don't get it. :confused:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The tracks have spent the last decade repaving and reconfiguring tracks to appease the drivers and the result has been a decade of races being boring as hell more often than not. For crying out loud, they absolutely destroyed Bristol because the drivers wanted it to race like a superspeedway. I sure hope we see more races like yesterday where tire management is a thing and storylines develop during races.

You'll notice that the real drivers, the ones who have talent and know that the fans don't like to sleep on raceday, they were the ones praising the product yesterday.
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We have the same problem in Nhra. Because some of the top money and horespower teams complain so much... now nhra lays so much tire down and sprays so much vht on the track that it is basically who ever has the most money and can make the most horespower wins. Now, you can just throw everything you have at the track and if you have enough horespower you run a good number and if you don't have enough horespower you rattle the tires at the hit. It has to be 130 deg track temp before we smoke the tires anymore. It's pretty bad when we can't get up on the tire with 10,000 horespower. The fans are getting pretty tired of the same high dollar teams winning all the time.
 
Kyle18fan said:
I recall you saying something the other day about tires that wear improve the racing and I agree, its just not often that I get a chance to pick on you so I had to modify yer statement a little. Im just glad that nobody got hurt from the tire failures. Of course I am happy about the eventual outcome of the race, I didnt see that one happening
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I have to give your boy a compliment. He handled the NW race real well. Didn't complain about Harvick racing him EXTRA hard, and even congratulated Larson. I know it's nothing new from Kyle, but I just noticed what a professional attitude he's always had. :)
 
FenderBumper said:
I knew something was up when Brad passed Kyle early in the 2nd to last run, then Kyle came back going as fast as the leaders. Dave made the right call on the setup.
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It was a great call from Dave, he knew he had a driver that could make it work. The whole team came together and got rewarded. I look forward to seeing Rogers make some more gutsy moves in the future.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Nope, tire pressure ought to be left out of the rules IMO only problem is they created a real safety hazard pushing the limits. Fixing the bumps might be a good idea though
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Funny how you want to change a track so some teams can abuse their tires. :rolleyes:
 
Kyle18fan said:
It was a great call from Dave, he knew he had a driver that could make it work. The whole team came together and got rewarded. I look forward to seeing Rogers make some more gutsy moves in the future.
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I think they will be real aggressive now that they have that win. This could get fun.
 
FenderBumper said:
I have to give your boy a compliment. He handled the NW race real well. Didn't complain about Harvick racing him EXTRA hard, and even congratulated Larson. I know it's nothing new from Kyle, but I just noticed what a professional attitude he's always had. :)
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Yes, he went to victory lane and gave Larson a big hug, had a huge smile on his face too. Thats the kind of stuff that makes me proud to be his fan. He makes me proud all the time though
 
Kyle18fan said:
Nationwide did OK with the tire. There is a third answer in that statement :D
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lol I have to teach these kids everything.

Cup cars have 800 lbs more downforce and 20 mph more speed and no ride height rules, so your 3rd answer is dead right out of the gate.
 
FenderBumper said:
lol I have to teach these kids everything.

Cup cars have 800 lbs more downforce and 20 mph more speed and no ride height rules, so your 3rd answer is dead right out of the gate.
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My point went right over yer head. Was the cup race better ????
Cup cars arent needed to give the fans a show are they ???

I gotta go to work. Try to come up with some new material today. You can try it out this afternoon when I get home :rolleyes:
 
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