Grand jury decision on Tony.

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Well nevermind! Thanks haha

So they did a hair follicle test? Damn they know every damn bad thing that boy has ever injested.
 
BobbyFord said:
I agree, but you shouldn't smoke marijuana before getting into any type of racecar, just like you should drink alcohol before climbing into a racecar.
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I agree, but so far all we have is a report that he had enough thc in his blood to cause impairment. But I have no idea what that means, when someone blows in a breathalyzer we know what that means, above .08 and you are impaired, not so with thc, thc can stay in your system for days. If someone smokes in the morning then gets in their car later that night they'll be straight and fine to drive, but if tested they'll likely fail big time. So we really have no idea if Ward was driving high.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
Like I said in the other thread that disappeared. I don't think smoking pot should be illegal. Alcohol causes way more problems and is easy to get.
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I agree on the legalization part, however he shouldn't have gotten high then jumped into a race car. Like alcohol, weed should be used responsibly.
 
What I see about all of this, is a young man was driving a race car and made a bad decision. He had a drug in his system that
could have been partly responsible for his rash act. He paid a horrible price.
Now, his parents not only have to deal with his death, they also have to deal with the drug revelation.

Tony has to deal with his responsibility because he was driving the car.

NO ONE WINS.
 
DUN24 said:
Well nevermind! Thanks haha

So they did a hair follicle test? Damn they know every damn bad thing that boy has ever injested.
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I think they said it was done via blood test, which is more reliable for telling how "impaired" he was at the time, or at least more so than a urine or hair-follicle test.

Whatever the case, the fact that THC was found in his system at all is likely a huge blow to any type of civil case that the family is hoping to mount; the fact that Ward was possibly still under the influence of an illegal substance will definitely shift even more of the blame onto him, at least in the eyes of any sane judge or jury.
 
DUN24 said:
Just because there was THC in his system doesn't mean he was high folks. Just throwing that out there.

He could have smoked a day or two prior and still has enough in his blood stream to be "impaired"
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But, that would still make him impaired...
 
DSquad48 said:
Whatever the case, the fact that THC was found in his system at all is likely a huge blow to any type of civil case that the family is hoping to mount; the fact that Ward was possibly still under the influence of an illegal substance will definitely shift even more of the blame onto him, at least in the eyes of any sane judge or jury.
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Yup. Definitely.
 
DUN24 said:
Just because there was THC in his system doesn't mean he was high folks. Just throwing that out there.

He could have smoked a day or two prior and still has enough in his blood stream to be "impaired"
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Maybe that's all it takes to misjudge how best to avoid an approaching car, which he clearly did. Sad all the way around.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
What I see about all of this, is a young man was driving a race car and made a bad decision. He had a drug in his system that
could have been partly responsible for his rash act. He paid a horrible price.
Now, his parents not only have to deal with his death, they also have to deal with the drug revelation.

Tony has to deal with his responsibility because he was driving the car.

NO ONE WINS.
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agree.

but...if ward family atty can bring enuff ???'s ......get civil trial on docket maybe? / etc ........
.....settlement prolly w/ tony's liability carrier / tony himself / etc.

hopefully all that crap is sealed.....end of media coverage.......story buried ....forever !
 
It's a huge mess all around. They decided that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Tony with his death. I don't think he feels blameless in this incident. I'm sure it will stick with him for life. Kevin Ward's family will have a hole in it forever. There is no getting around it. I'm glad Tony is not facing charges. It saddens me that Kevin was found to be under the influence and that his memory is tarnished by that. I do hope that it prevents them from getting any money from Tony Stewart, however. I feel for them and hope they get over this emotionally, I just don't happen to think that they should benefit this financially at Tony's expense.
 
Benevolent One said:
I was going to say almost exactly the same thing. Marijuana should be legal, but not driving a race car under it's influence, the same as alcohol.
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Driving any vehicle under the influence of marijuana should be illegal as well. I haven't smoked in years, but I do remember that it certainly slowed down my reaction time. I know it effects different people different ways, but it can't make you sharper mentally. It just doesn't work that way.
 
KevinWI said:
Yeah, grand juries are top secret and transcripts never ever are released publicly. That has been upheld by the US Supreme Court. @The Nature Boy probably could explain why
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The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure provides that grand juries are top secret and spends way too long explaining how that works (it's more complex than "everyone shut up"), most states tend to mirror the federal rules on everything so I assume NY has here as well. Douglas Oil Co. of California v. Petrol Stops Nw., 441 U.S. 211 (1979) is the best SCOTUS case for analyzing why this requirement is important. In Tony's case, it's to protect his reputation from any of the accusations that may have been made against him in front of the Grand Jury. The only way to get the transcript is to overcome the presumption of privacy by having a compelling interest that overrides it. Essentially though, there's no way that transcript is being seen by anyone. In fact, not even Tony could get it.
 
The Ward family is going through a common case of denial. They deny their son did anything wrong and all of it is on Stewart. Seems to be commonplace in today's society where most people say "it's not my fault".
 
BobbyFord said:
There will always be those that feel that Stewart acted with intent. That was evident from the social media comments in the days immediately following the incident.
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That is still the case with NBC and some other media outlets. They have implied Stewart got away with it.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I agree on the legalization part, however he shouldn't have gotten high then jumped into a race car. Like alcohol, weed should be used responsibly.
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People make bad decisions everyday and not with just pot or alcohol. Most of these guys are just everyday Joe's that make it and the climb to the top pushes them into making decisions to "make it" or "break it". Just like the "fight or flight" feeling it's a high they start to crave and they may enhance it or induce by other means to stay on top of their game.

Again "I don't condone it" but it's a fact of reality and it is happening all around us everyday. No, I'm not saying all that have made it do it but most everyone even on this board have used or done something to gain an edge to compete or complete a task worth the risk of doing something to gain an advantage even if it's a harmless little "white lie".
 
I traveled from my home on Monday to Marble Falls, TX. I had to drive I-35 South from Waco to Georgetown. Most was under construction
with heavy traffic and absolute horrible driving conditions. It scares me to think that any number of those other drivers could be under
the influence of some kind of drug and driving alongside me at high speed.
What really worries me is that I will have to make that drive down and back several times over the next few months until I find a new place to live and get moved.
How someone can drive a race car, or any type of vehicle, after using a drug of any sort, and not think about the safety of others around you? Is it
a side effect that wipes out concern for others? Do you feel like Superman --- totally in control of the situation?

I can't say that I know how it feels. I've smoked exactly 3 cigarettes in my life --- 40 years ago. Never had any experience with an illegal substance whatsoever. I will have a drink now and then, but I'm at home --- never where I have to drive home.
 
Some people on social media really make me laugh. Talking about how NASCAR should be banned because one of their drivers(Ward) was on drugs. So you wanna talk about something but you don't even know that Ward wasn't a NASCAR driver. Lmao
 
From my very limited experience with marijuana (everybody went to college) it isn't the drug I'd want to take before a race. I think you'd want uppers, not downers.
 
KevinWI said:
From my very limited experience with marijuana (everybody went to college) it isn't the drug I'd want to take before a race. I think you'd want uppers, not downers.
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Some take it to calm them down because their adrenaline is so high behind the wheel. Same with booze, to take the edge off.
 
KevinWI said:
From my very limited experience with marijuana (everybody went to college) it isn't the drug I'd want to take before a race. I think you'd want uppers, not downers.
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It all depends on if you have ADHD or not. A stimulant may slow him down but give him a toke and a beer and it's on. Least that's what I was told by a shrink.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Some people on social media really make me laugh. Talking about how NASCAR should be banned because one of their drivers(Ward) was on drugs. So you wanna talk about something but you don't even know that Ward wasn't a NASCAR driver. Lmao
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They should also ban the Baltimore Orioles from the NHL because Ray Rice punched Adrian Peterson's kid.
 
The court decision doesn't sway my opinion in the least....I still think tony killed the kid...Unfortunately I don't think the matter is over...My prediction is this...The father takes matters into his own hands, and that MAY spell doom for tony...Or...If you are a "God Fearing Human Being" you can assume at some point Tony will pay for his actions. If he lives to a ripe old age, then perhaps karma wont prevail.....BUT...I personally think something baaaaaad is in Tony's future...
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
The court decision doesn't sway my opinion in the least....I still think tony killed the kid...Unfortunately I don't think the matter is over...My prediction is this...The father takes matters into his own hands, and that MAY spell doom for tony...Or...If you are a "God Fearing Human Being" you can assume at some point Tony will pay for his actions. If he lives to a ripe old age, then perhaps karma wont prevail.....BUT...I personally think something baaaaaad is in Tony's future...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH you're funny and a sore loser. I for one, enjoy your pain and seeing you try and come up with something that no one cares about any longer, Mr. Ward.
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
The court decision doesn't sway my opinion in the least....I still think tony killed the kid...Unfortunately I don't think the matter is over...My prediction is this...The father takes matters into his own hands, and that MAY spell doom for tony...Or...If you are a "God Fearing Human Being" you can assume at some point Tony will pay for his actions. If he lives to a ripe old age, then perhaps karma wont prevail.....BUT...I personally think something baaaaaad is in Tony's future...
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I think you have burned your bridges....
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
The court decision doesn't sway my opinion in the least....I still think tony killed the kid...Unfortunately I don't think the matter is over...My prediction is this...The father takes matters into his own hands, and that MAY spell doom for tony...Or...If you are a "God Fearing Human Being" you can assume at some point Tony will pay for his actions. If he lives to a ripe old age, then perhaps karma wont prevail.....BUT...I personally think something baaaaaad is in Tony's future...
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I did too until that second video. Did you watch it? Tony is going straight and Ward jumps into the path of the car. It's much clearer than the second.
 
Unless I'm confusing the first video... derp can't find the second one now. I only watch the first one the night it happened so maybe I did get it confused for a second one.
 
I have no way of knowing when the marijuana was smoked, and I all know about the testing process is what I read here (my training curriculum, the Ironsides or Hawaii 5.0 episodes didn't cover those topics).

But it is almost guaranteed he didn't toke at the track. It would be like it... would be way uncool dude if you was doing that in the pits dude, you know what I saying man, and know what I mean man....
The competition and track officials would have rightly freaked out. There are very few places more intense than the pit area prior to a big race, and the smell would have attracted immediate and intense attention.

I am quite certain some drivers on the local level do it on a routine basis, they are part of the general population. But it isn't happening in the pits for a race on that level.
So he probably smoked it shortly after noon at the latest, based on the time frame or opportunity.

I am not defending the use, I am opposed to drugs, but it isn't like he just smoked one prior to the tragic event.
 
Greg said:
I have no way of knowing when the marijuana was smoked, and I all know about the testing process is what I read here (my training curriculum, the Ironsides or Hawaii 5.0 episodes didn't cover those topics).

But it is almost guaranteed he didn't toke at the track. It would be like it... would be way uncool dude if you was doing that in the pits dude, you know what I saying man, and know what I mean man....
The competition and track officials would have rightly freaked out. There are very few places more intense than the pit area prior to a big race, and the smell would have attracted immediate and intense attention.

I am quite certain some drivers on the local level do it on a routine basis, they are part of the general population. But it isn't happening in the pits for a race on that level.
So he probably smoked it shortly after noon at the latest, based on the time frame or opportunity.

I am not defending the use, I am opposed to drugs, but it isn't like he just smoked one prior to the tragic event.
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For every major race from like 2004-2006 at the Milwaukee Mile somebody was toking under the main grandstand because you could smell that **** for miles.

Cops are everywhere, don't know how they got away with it.

Obviously not a driver but that's my only toking at a race track story.
 
Greg said:
I have no way of knowing when the marijuana was smoked, and I all know about the testing process is what I read here (my training curriculum, the Ironsides or Hawaii 5.0 episodes didn't cover those topics).

But it is almost guaranteed he didn't toke at the track. It would be like it... would be way uncool dude if you was doing that in the pits dude, you know what I saying man, and know what I mean man....
The competition and track officials would have rightly freaked out. There are very few places more intense than the pit area prior to a big race, and the smell would have attracted immediate and intense attention.

I am quite certain some drivers on the local level do it on a routine basis, they are part of the general population. But it isn't happening in the pits for a race on that level.
So he probably smoked it shortly after noon at the latest, based on the time frame or opportunity.

I am not defending the use, I am opposed to drugs, but it isn't like he just smoked one prior to the tragic event.
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All of the short tracks I've ever been to I've seen and smelled a few cars in the parking lots that spectators, owners, crew, drivers and anybody else that wanted to could gather around and get high. It's a part of any large gathering of people. There's always the 10% that don't follow the rules.
 
It really doesn't matter if anyone believes it or not. Any method available and at hand is used in order to gain an edge, even if it means at critical points it may even cause harm to those that go that route. Clawing ones way to the top isn't easy and staying there can even be tougher and the vehicle that gets one there usually is never left behind and will be hidden no matter what the cost. Prime and shine baby, that's where it's at, don't let the good times stop.
 
MRM said:
The Ward family is going through a common case of denial. They deny their son did anything wrong and all of it is on Stewart. Seems to be commonplace in today's society where most people say "it's not my fault".
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I don't think "today's society" has anything to do with it. If this had been a horse race over a century ago, where a fallen rider was hit by another horse & rider. I think his parents might well think the same way as the Wards do.
 
KevinWI said:
I did too until that second video. Did you watch it? Tony is going straight and Ward jumps into the path of the car. It's much clearer than the second.
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huh? Tony is sliding up the track while his front wheels are straight. Ward hesitates, then moves up and into the path of the sliding car. Anyone with any experience knows to move down the track to get clear. Impaired could explain it. He also charged in front of that first car as if he thought that was Tony, or he was trying to get to the bottom of the track to yell at him. Kevin made 5 or 6 mistakes that night, any of which on their own could be fatal.
 
MRM said:
The Ward family is going through a common case of denial. They deny their son did anything wrong and all of it is on Stewart. Seems to be commonplace in today's society where most people say "it's not my fault".
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That's the impression I got early on when the father said "why did Tony have to hog him like that". Seems he couldn't explain his sons actions, but in his mind if Tony hadn't 'caused' the original accident, his son would still be alive.
 
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