Hall of Fame Voting

I wonder what would have Ernie been if not for Davey's death?

Their statistics are pretty similar, too.
 
There are opinions, and then there are facts. Against that particular class of nominees, Gordon simply has no peers. I think the whole idea of group think could be demonstrated by the prevailing idea that we HAVE to put certain people in the Hall, based on factors other than their actual record.
 
Kiante said:
I wonder what would have Ernie been if not for Davey's death?

Their statistics are pretty similar, too.
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Excellent question. Is Ernie Irvan a Hall of Famer? To me, no, but I'm sure I'll be in the minority on that one too.
 
Formerjackman said:
There are opinions, and then there are facts. Against that particular class of nominees, Gordon simply has no peers. I think the whole idea of group think could be demonstrated by the prevailing idea that we HAVE to put certain people in the Hall, based on factors other than their actual record.
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FACT is you dont know why someone didnt vote for Gordon. Maybe they thought it was too soon and they wanted to get someone in who worked all their life in the sport and they wanted to see them enjoy it instead of being voted in after they are dead. Just because someone didnt vote for him doesnt mean they didnt think he is HOF worthy.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Let's face it, EVERY race fan will have their own opinion as to who is Hall worthy.
As to why someone didn't vote for Jeff, who knows? I don't really care --- 96% is the highest percentage ever, so who
didn't vote for him is totally irrelevant.
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Someone gets it.

This whole topic get regurgitated each and every year. The process works as it's designed. It's ridiculous to think that any one of our opinions on it's own merit is the correct and only form of reasoning. That's exactly why the whole process is designed the way it is. It proves itself each and every year to place people in the hall that are deserving. The order may not necessarily be what we all like but the people that should get in there are getting in there. There are no right answers. Not even Gordon for some. And that's alright.
 
Spotter22 did say that perhaps whoever didn't vote for Jeff knew he'd get in and wanted to give someone else a vote, which makes perfect sense.

End of the day he got in the hall with the highest voting percentage ever.
 
Sorry, but I just find all of that illogical. If you look the vote percentages, even the sainted Kulwicki couldn't pull 50%, so people were just flailing away with votes on the bottom of the list while you had one of the top 10 drivers to EVER sit in a stock car at the other end of the list.
 
Formerjackman said:
Sorry, but I just find all of that illogical. If you look the vote percentages, even the sainted Kulwicki couldn't pull 50%, so people were just flailing away with votes on the bottom of the list while you had one of the top 10 drivers to EVER sit in a stock car at the other end of the list.
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I'm not surprised but it really doesnt matter. Nice Jab at Kulwicki too. Sounds funny coming from someone who never strapped one on.
 
My problem with it is it looks like the NASCAR voters are going to become like the baseball voters. Never have the baseball voters given an inductee 100% of the votes. Not for Babe Ruth, not for Lou Gerhig, not for Cal Riken Jr., not for anyone with a career that says this person is a no-doubt-about-it hall of famer. I guess I didn't realize Richard Petty didn't get 100% of the vote. I guess I might have let that slide when that happened considering it was the first class and so many to chose from. But when you look at Jeff Gordon's stats, he's a sure thing hall of famer that everybody should have voted for. Other than to be different or to be like the sanctimonious baseball voters, I don't see one reason why anyone would not have for him on their ballot. If you can't put an 84-race winner and 4-time champ on your ballot, who exactly are you putting on there that says this other person is more deserving? I guarantee you there will be 1 or 2 people that will do the same thing when Jimmie Johnson becomes eligible.

I keep reading where more pioneers of the sport should be going in. That's fine. I agree with that. Maybe those people should be put in before active car owners instead of a retired driver that won 84 races and 4 titles in the "modern era".
 
Formerjackman said:
... even the sainted Kulwicki couldn't pull 50% ...
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Spotter22 said:
... Nice Jab at Kulwicki too. Sounds funny coming from someone who never strapped one on.
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It’s difficult for me to understand what would drive someone who claims to have been part of the community to refer to Kulwicki in that way. Rather than putting my membership here at risk, I’ll just leave it at that.
 
aunty dive said:
It’s difficult for me to understand what would drive someone who claims to have been part of the community to refer to Kulwicki in that way. Rather than putting my membership here at risk, I’ll just leave it at that.
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I question what community that was.
 
Spotter22 said:
I'm not surprised but it really doesnt matter. Nice Jab at Kulwicki too. Sounds funny coming from someone who never strapped one on.
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That wasn't a jab at him, it was a jab at the people that defend him like he was their own son. :)
 
MRM said:
My problem with it is it looks like the NASCAR voters are going to become like the baseball voters. Never have the baseball voters given an inductee 100% of the votes. Not for Babe Ruth, not for Lou Gerhig, not for Cal Riken Jr., not for anyone with a career that says this person is a no-doubt-about-it hall of famer. I guess I didn't realize Richard Petty didn't get 100% of the vote. I guess I might have let that slide when that happened considering it was the first class and so many to chose from. But when you look at Jeff Gordon's stats, he's a sure thing hall of famer that everybody should have voted for. Other than to be different or to be like the sanctimonious baseball voters, I don't see one reason why anyone would not have for him on their ballot. If you can't put an 84-race winner and 4-time champ on your ballot, who exactly are you putting on there that says this other person is more deserving? I guarantee you there will be 1 or 2 people that will do the same thing when Jimmie Johnson becomes eligible.

I keep reading where more pioneers of the sport should be going in. That's fine. I agree with that. Maybe those people should be put in before active car owners instead of a retired driver that won 84 races and 4 titles in the "modern era".
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It's nice to see I'm not totally on an island on this one. I have some REAL issues with the baseball writers, especially involving Ron Santo. They denied him Hall status for 30+ years, and then the minute he dies they elect him. If I were his family, I would have told them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
 
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Spotter22 said:
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I know it won't carry any weight with you, but I have ZERO issue with AK. Amazing guy, a real roll model and life lesson. An amazing accomplishment and a heart warming feel good story. All I have EVER said is that I felt his career was below a Hall of Fame threshold, and I have been savaged by people mercilessly for having a contrary opinion. Being the no-nonsense guy that Alan was, I think he would be able to see where I was coming from, even if he disagreed with me.
 
MRM said:
My problem with it is it looks like the NASCAR voters are going to become like the baseball voters.
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What the MLB Hall of Fame has going for it is that it tends to be more exclusive than other major Halls of Fame, and in the long run this tends to make the honor and prestige more meaningful. That's the broad view. The way the specific voting process has evolved is absurdly political and administered by self-important fools who seem to enjoy their power as moralistic gatekeepers more than anything else.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Spotter22 and Formerjackman, I'll ask one more time to please keep the personal animosity out of this.
You both have strong opinions, just leave it at that.
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Trust me TRL, the animosity is all from one side. I'm not mad at ANYBODY. I just take an iconoclastic view on a lot of topics and it makes the natives restless. :)
 
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