How Do We Fix Plate Racing

How are you such a huge racing fan, which you clearly are, if this is honestly how you summarize all of the other tracks?
what are you trying to twist out of shape now? there wasn't an "all" in there bud. But now that you mention it, nothing but short tracks isn't what I want to see, a variety.... post # 42 is what I said. I've seen everything from boring to great on all of them
 
what are you trying to twist out of shape now? there wasn't an "all" in there bud. But now that you mention it, nothing but short tracks isn't what I want to see, a variety.... post # 42 is what I said.

I agree on the variety, that should be the goal, and do not want short tracks only or even a majority. It was a genuine question. Some go so far defending / praising plate racing that they thrash the rest of the schedule, such as stating that they entertain us 4 weeks a year and bore us 32. You didn't say that, and I know you don't believe it. That's my confusion though.

you remember why Smith changed Bristol? whiners complaining about no passing single lane racing.

I believe we're both on record that the reconfigured multi-groove Bristol was the best Bristol, before they tried to change it back.
 
I agree on the variety, that should be the goal, and do not want short tracks only or even a majority. It was a genuine question. Some go so far defending / praising plate racing that they thrash the rest of the schedule, such as stating that they entertain us 4 weeks a year and bore us 32. You didn't say that, and I know you don't believe it. That's my confusion though.

there ya go again. I am not praising plate racing bud. Go back and read post #42 again

I believe we're both on record that the reconfigured multi-groove Bristol was the best Bristol, before they tried to kinda change it back.
 
Drivers need to be more aggressive and actually make a move before 2 to go.

This.

It amazes me that these drivers don't care about winning. Watching them ride in line in the final laps of the Daytona 500 is embarrassing. You won't win the race if you wait until the last lap to make your move while running in eighth place. And you're not going to win the race if you leave the guy who's making the move high and dry so you can gain one position.

Biggest reason plate racing sucks is because of the drivers in Cup. ARCA, XFINITY and Trucks seem to put on good shows.
 
I don't see any of them particularly better than any other track, a great race can break out on any of them.

OK, post #42. You don't see any tracks as particularly better than others. Some of your other comments seem to indicate that you do have preferences and likes and dislikes, but I can't really argue with that too much. You think your argument gets twisted up. I believe those of us who have genuine objections to the unique characteristics of plate racing have our statements misrepresented too.
 
This.

It amazes me that these drivers don't care about winning. Watching them ride in line in the final laps of the Daytona 500 is embarrassing. You won't win the race if you wait until the last lap to make your move while running in eighth place.

I give Chase credit for trying to go for it. I have no idea why Ricky wouldn't go with Chase there. The fact that Ricky didn't go with him points to some weird F1 style team orders from the Ford camp.
 
I give Chase credit for trying to go for it. I have no idea why Ricky wouldn't go with Chase there. The fact that Ricky didn't go with him points to some weird F1 style team orders from the Ford camp.
I doubt it. Stenhouse never has impressed me with being the sharpest stick in the bunch. He was busy side drafting the inside line when Kurt wanted a push to the front and that was Ford to Ford.
 
I doubt it. Stenhouse never has impressed me with being the sharpest stick in the bunch. He was busy side drafting the inside line when Kurt wanted a push to the front and that was Ford to Ford.

Ricky has always been a good plate racer. It's baffling that he didn't go with Chase when he had that run.
 
With the exception of the yotas all running in a pack and pitting together one year. I haven't seen much loyalty when the race comes down to the line in plate racing. And even with the Toyota thing, Hamlin cut throated Kenseth when the finish line was in sight.
 
How are you such a huge racing fan, which you clearly are, if this is honestly how you summarize all of the other tracks?
I don't have any pre conceived notions of how a race or a track will produce a race. Some posters are convinced it is going to be terrible when dpkimmel2001 posts the race thread at the first of the week. I consider that nonsense. I don't pay much attention to the presses hype either, they have a job to do.
 
And you're not going to win the race if you leave the guy who's making the move high and dry so you can gain one position.
The guy making the move shouldn't be dependent on someone else's assistance, shouldn't have to care if anybody pull out with him or not. That's a reason plate racing sucks, although not the biggest one.
 
I'll worry about that when players start careening off the field and flying up in the stands.

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The guy making the move shouldn't be dependent on someone else's assistance, shouldn't have to care if anybody pull out with him or not. That's a reason plate racing sucks, although not the biggest one.
that is your opinion, that happens on all tracks, differently but how many times do two teammates rig the restart.
 
that is your opinion, that happens on all tracks, differently but how many times do two teammates rig the restart.
They don't have to rig the restart, they choose to. Choose to pull out at a plate race and you aren't going anywhere by yourself except backwards.
 
They don't have to rig the restart, they choose to. Choose to pull out at a plate race and you aren't going anywhere by yourself except backwards.
not really, I don't know how many times I saw Junior pull out and muscle his way to the front. IMO the teams had this car so tweaked out it wasn't happening..changes will come.
 
The guy making the move shouldn't be dependent on someone else's assistance, shouldn't have to care if anybody pull out with him or not. That's a reason plate racing sucks, although not the biggest one.

I don't know. It adds an element of strategy.

Since plate racing requires in race strategy and positioning, it's probably the most cerebral (for the driver) kind of racing. It's a different skill. I honestly wish that NASCAR would let drivers talk to each other from the car again because that adds to the strategy. If Chase and Ricky could have hooked up on the radio, the race yesterday may have ended differently.
 
I don't know. It adds an element of strategy.

Since plate racing requires in race strategy and positioning, it's probably the most cerebral (for the driver) kind of racing. It's a different skill. I honestly wish that NASCAR would let drivers talk to each other from the car again because that adds to the strategy. If Chase and Ricky could have hooked up on the radio, the race yesterday may have ended differently.
yeah spotters can do only so much, if the drivers had input that would be cool.
 
I don't know. It adds an element of strategy.

Since plate racing requires in race strategy and positioning, it's probably the most cerebral (for the driver) kind of racing. It's a different skill. I honestly wish that NASCAR would let drivers talk to each other from the car again because that adds to the strategy. If Chase and Ricky could have hooked up on the radio, the race yesterday may have ended differently.
If we have to have plate racing, I'd love to see a return to the tandem package. That was the only form of plate racing I actually enjoyed. If drivers are going to be forced to work together, pull out the stops. Let 'em pair up and talk to each other. Hell, let 'em declare their pairs after final practice and award both drivers the points of higher finisher. What's one more rules exception?
 
If we have to have plate racing, I'd love to see a return to the tandem package. That was the only form of plate racing I actually enjoyed. If drivers are going to be forced to work together, pull out the stops. Let 'em pair up and talk to each other. Hell, let 'em declare their pairs after final practice and award both drivers the points of higher finisher. What's one more rules exception?

I watched a tandem race last week, sorry man I couldn't quit laughing, a wide shot reminded me of a super market basket race.
 
If we have to have plate racing, I'd love to see a return to the tandem package. That was the only form of plate racing I actually enjoyed. If drivers are going to be forced to work together, pull out the stops. Let 'em pair up and talk to each other. Hell, let 'em declare their pairs after final practice and award both drivers the points of higher finisher. What's one more rules exception?
I was a fan of that package too. Heck I even posted an idea for a redesigned Harley J. Earl trophy back in 2012 for the Daytona 500.

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If we have to have plate racing, I'd love to see a return to the tandem package. That was the only form of plate racing I actually enjoyed. If drivers are going to be forced to work together, pull out the stops. Let 'em pair up and talk to each other. Hell, let 'em declare their pairs after final practice and award both drivers the points of higher finisher. What's one more rules exception?

NO!!!!!
 
You can't?
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If I see a sedan on the road, unless I'm close enough to see the badge, I can't tell one from the other. Sometimes even the SUVs look alike.
Race cars are the same --- the only way I know one from the other is because I know who is driving what manufacturer.
 
If I see a sedan on the road, unless I'm close enough to see the badge, I can't tell one from the other. Sometimes even the SUVs look alike.
Race cars are the same --- the only way I know one from the other is because I know who is driving what manufacturer.
Certainly true of the vehicles on the road. They all tend to be the same design anymore. About the only thing that sets them apart, like NASCAR, is the front grill area. Other than that, it's a wash. They are pretty dang interchangeable..... again, like NASCAR.
 
You would think by this time they would know the maximum terminal velocity required, to keep these cars from flying. :idunno:

I mean, with all they have done Jamie still got airborne with the car slammed and with a big ole front splitter.
 
It amazes me that these drivers don't care about winning. Watching them ride in line in the final laps of the Daytona 500 is embarrassing. You won't win the race if you wait until the last lap to make your move while running in eighth place. And you're not going to win the race if you leave the guy who's making the move high and dry so you can gain one position.

Biggest reason plate racing sucks is because of the drivers in Cup. ARCA, XFINITY and Trucks seem to put on good shows.

This. Doesn’t matter what they do to the cars. When the drivers don’t want to race for win, the rules package is irrelevant.

I blame this primarily on the entitled veteran guard. The young guys seem to have no problem mixing it up.
 
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