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Well, it looks like 2024 will be the last year for the Camaro and rumors are that the replacement will be an all-electric performance sedan.

If NASCAR doesn't go down the electric/hybrid road, I can't imagine GM will remain committed to NASCAR and I feel like Ford will be in a similar situation.
 

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Well, it looks like 2024 will be the last year for the Camaro and rumors are that the replacement will be an all-electric performance sedan.
Maybe something like the Toyota Camry XSE Hybrid? Remember the snark about Toyota's lack of a pushrod on entry to the series? Yes, I am laughing now.
 

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Well, it looks like 2024 will be the last year for the Camaro and rumors are that the replacement will be an all-electric performance sedan.

If NASCAR doesn't go down the electric/hybrid road, I can't imagine GM will remain committed to NASCAR and I feel like Ford will be in a similar situation.
How many years now has GM been saying “x year is the last year for the Camaro”?
 

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Maybe something like the Toyota Camry XSE Hybrid? Remember the snark about Toyota's lack of a pushrod on entry to the series? Yes, I am laughing now.
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The Tundra and Land Cruiser would like a word.
 

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Well...it's here.

The rapid electrification of race cars and consumer cars has me worried about something no one's talking about. What do short tracks do across the country when there'll be no more 90s sedans to purchase and turn into an entry series car? No more street stocks or compacts? Do they go entirely to kit cars? Even with kit cars how long will manufacturers continue to produce highly specialized ICE engines for racing when they're going to be one of the few purchasers of ICE left.

These questions don't have to be answered tomorrow, but by 2030 we better have a road map in place because by 2040 the world of short track racing is going to have to go through a lot of major change.
 

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Maybe something like the Toyota Camry XSE Hybrid?

How much power does it make? Is it track capable? Still front-wheel-drive, right?

I think Toyota and GM have different definitions of the word "performance" for their street cars.
 

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Well...it's here.

The rapid electrification of race cars and consumer cars has me worried about something no one's talking about. What do short tracks do across the country when there'll be no more 90s sedans to purchase and turn into an entry series car? No more street stocks or compacts? Do they go entirely to kit cars? Even with kit cars how long will manufacturers continue to produce highly specialized ICE engines for racing when they're going to be one of the few purchasers of ICE left.

These questions don't have to be answered tomorrow, but by 2030 we better have a road map in place because by 2040 the world of short track racing is going to have to go through a lot of major change.
I can only imagine sitting at a dirt track watching electric sprint cars run around in 2050
 

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Well...it's here.

The rapid electrification of race cars and consumer cars has me worried about something no one's talking about. What do short tracks do across the country when there'll be no more 90s sedans to purchase and turn into an entry series car? No more street stocks or compacts? Do they go entirely to kit cars? Even with kit cars how long will manufacturers continue to produce highly specialized ICE engines for racing when they're going to be one of the few purchasers of ICE left.

These questions don't have to be answered tomorrow, but by 2030 we better have a road map in place because by 2040 the world of short track racing is going to have to go through a lot of major change.
Start being forward thinking rather then cling desperately to the ways of past embrace change. Someone should be working on an electric sprint car engine now.
 

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Well...it's here.

The rapid electrification of race cars and consumer cars has me worried about something no one's talking about. What do short tracks do across the country when there'll be no more 90s sedans to purchase and turn into an entry series car? No more street stocks or compacts? Do they go entirely to kit cars? Even with kit cars how long will manufacturers continue to produce highly specialized ICE engines for racing when they're going to be one of the few purchasers of ICE left.

These questions don't have to be answered tomorrow, but by 2030 we better have a road map in place because by 2040 the world of short track racing is going to have to go through a lot of major change.
Technology by 2040 is going to develop rapidly and costs should dramatically drop.

By the time 2040 comes around, nobody on a short track will be racing 1990s sedans. They will be racing sedans from the 2010s.
 

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Technology by 2040 is going to develop rapidly and costs should dramatically drop.

By the time 2040 comes around, nobody on a short track will be racing 1990s sedans. They will be racing sedans from the 2010s.
Hahaha the disappearance of the sedan if anything is going to be an issue. It's going to basically going to have to be an Accord/Camry class unless they want to run the high powered Ford Ecosport and Chevy Trax :crash:
 

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For the record I have seen a Prius on a dirt track
 

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Start being forward thinking rather then cling desperately to the ways of past embrace change. Someone should be working on an electric sprint car engine now.

Maybe if people weren’t trying to work their ass off to survive and maybe if they could make the automotive industry more affordable to do these things, we would.

The Earnhardt Tesla’s look pretty good
 

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I get no trill from this news, at all. My hope (and it's strictly hope) is that they will depend upon a normally aspired high HP gas engine for the power to actually race with, while this hybrid's electric motor is designed to provide nominal power during caution flags and low pit road speeds. I'm not anti EV overall (although that is a big kettle of fish to discuss on HOW helpful they really are relative to the environment...lots of excess cost and pollution to manufacture, issues with power grid infrastructure, etc.).

Racing stock cars using purely electric motors just won't satisfy many fans. Will sound different, react different, race different. Where's the differentiation relative to powerplants among competing teams versus engine builders today? I'm sure there is some (I admittedly have not watched and EV racing currently happening today) but it wouldn't seem to enable a lot of tinkering.
 
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The biggest disadvantage to a fully electric series is the loss of experience. Forever the mantra to create lifelong fans out of non-fans or casual fans was “just take them to a race”. The live experience is purely a sensory one. The sound of the engines and you can feel the power in your chest when they roar by. The sights and smells, etc…

Making up for that sensory experience in an electric series will be a tall task IMO.

Formula-E is cool and all, but nothing beats the feeling of 30+ screaming V8s flying by.
 

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The biggest disadvantage to a fully electric series is the loss of experience. Forever the mantra to create lifelong fans out of non-fans or casual fans was “just take them to a race”. The live experience is purely a sensory one. The sound of the engines and you can feel the power in your chest when they roar by.
Those new fans will now be able to hear you talk to them about the finer details and nuances of what's going on. One sensory experience will replace another.

@Kiante , get to work on scanners with Bluetooth. Lighter, more comfortable earbuds will replace full headsets. Sell your earplug stock.
 

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Yeah, only 15k new Camaros have been purchased so far this year through September, compared to 44k Challengers and 41k Mustangs.
More people are driving performance cars as daily drivers and the Camaro just sucks in that department compared to the competition. Low visibility, cramped interior, zero trunk space, etc… There also just arent that many for sale. Dealers know they dont sell so they dont order them or get shipments. It’s all SUVs. Why do you think they made the Blazer look like a Camaro?
 

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Those new fans will now be able to hear you talk to them about the finer details and nuances of what's going on. One sensory experience will replace another.

@Kiante , get to work on scanners with Bluetooth. Lighter, more comfortable earbuds will replace full headsets. Sell your earplug stock.
Soon enough, oh trust and believe the changes are coming soon.
 

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More people are driving performance cars as daily drivers and the Camaro just sucks in that department compared to the competition. Low visibility, cramped interior, zero trunk space, etc… There also just arent that many for sale. Dealers know they dont sell so they dont order them or get shipments. It’s all SUVs. Why do you think they made the Blazer look like a Camaro?
I think another reason people don’t buy them….they’re kinda ugly. The 5th-Gen Camaro (2010-15) looked pretty good IMO, but they screwed it up with the 6th Gen, particularly the 2019 and up models.
 

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The biggest disadvantage to a fully electric series is the loss of experience. Forever the mantra to create lifelong fans out of non-fans or casual fans was “just take them to a race”. The live experience is purely a sensory one. The sound of the engines and you can feel the power in your chest when they roar by. The sights and smells, etc…

Making up for that sensory experience in an electric series will be a tall task IMO.

Formula-E is cool and all, but nothing beats the feeling of 30+ screaming V8s flying by.

yeah, the last half dozen or so races I’ve been to, I’d take the scanner and all that jazz doodle stuff, but it would just sit next to me untouched because I just wanted to fully embrace the sensory of the action. I don’t know when I stopped my focuses from just being on a favorite driver or whatever, but I’m glad I did. It’s been a real blast to see a race and not give a turd who wins or looses. I should’ve started waaayyy back years earlier.

but as you mentioned… I’m concerned it’s gonna be a game changer.

racing in the only thing you can really get this feeling from. Ball games and all that don’t do any of those feelings. I don’t even try to go to stuff like that, prefer the tv experience for that… You don’t feel the game itself rumbling inside your rib cage… all that.

yeah
 

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Well we knew this was coming, the truth is our sport will die at a major league level if it doesn't electrify.

My question is what will GM race without a Camaro?

They can't race a Corvette, as translating a mid engined design to a front engine car would look just goofy.
 

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Well we knew this was coming, the truth is our sport will die at a major league level if it doesn't electrify.

My question is what will GM race without a Camaro?

They can't race a Corvette, as translating a mid engined design to a front engine car would look just goofy.

They will have a replacement for the Camaro, likely built off of the Cadillac sedan platform, and it'll be electric.
 

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Well we knew this was coming, the truth is our sport will die at a major league level if it doesn't electrify.

My question is what will GM race without a Camaro?

They can't race a Corvette, as translating a mid engined design to a front engine car would look just goofy.
See Toyota Supra
 

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But it would be running in an ICE series, which is kind of dumb

It beats entering an Equinox lol

I agree it's kind of dumb, and I really don't know, I'm just assuming they would be on board if NASCAR agreed to integrate some kind of hybrid system but who really knows. I'm worried about GM's future involvement in motorsports with this electric obsession they have going on now
 

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It beats entering an Equinox lol

I agree it's kind of dumb, and I really don't know, I'm just assuming they would be on board if NASCAR agreed to integrate some kind of hybrid system but who really knows. I'm worried about GM's future involvement in motorsports with this electric obsession they have going on now
That means all motorsports will need to electrify.

I just will miss the loudness of the cars
 

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That means all motorsports will need to electrify.

I just will miss the loudness of the cars

Don’t see why a lot of dirt racing needs to electrify, they aren’t anything close to street legal or branded to be “stock” cars anyway.
 
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