Junior scared to RACE at Dega

my take on this was, jr looked to be headed to the front, but once a car jumped in front, no way was he going to help another car, without him having the time to pass the leader or at least try. also as already posted, he should have keep his mouth closed. i gotta believe alot of times what he says, is really not how he means it, just comes out wrong.
 
One thing NASCAR is lousy at is analyzing their rule changes for unintended consequences. I mean really, somebody should have seen this sort of thing coming. Granted, Jr. should have just kept his pie hole shut.
 
It wouldn't have mattered if Jr had kept his mouth shut or not. It wasn't like anyone watching couldn't see what was happening.
Jr was leading the outside line when a car jumped in front of him. Jr then pulled out of line and let the entire field pass him by so he could take up his position about 500 feet behind the entire field.

Jr took a dive.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
One thing is for sure. If I ever heard Gordon say he sandbagged at the end to salvage the race car instead of going for a win, I'd be shook to the core.
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+1 for my drivers, and I will assert--not just add--that Junior did more damage to NASCAR with his comments than Denny Hamlin ever did with his comments about the Gen 6. Freakin' joke. Again, do what ever in the hell turns your crank---just shut up about it.
 
mreed said:
It wouldn't have mattered if Jr had kept his mouth shut or not. It wasn't like anyone watching couldn't see what was happening.
Jr was leading the outside line when a car jumped in front of him. Jr then pulled out of line and let the entire field pass him by so he could take up his position about 500 feet behind the entire field.

Jr took a dive.
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Fair point, but the hardcore fans would argue his integrity, and that would actually be a good thing.
 
Tony1930 said:
One thing NASCAR is lousy at is analyzing their rule changes for unintended consequences. I mean really, somebody should have seen this sort of thing coming. Granted, Jr. should have just kept his pie hole shut.
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Great post right here. Think Brian sitting around in his pull ups playing Hotwheels with Helton. Never saw it coming.
 
I actually thought that the new Chase might work out to be really cool, but now I worry that they may have missed something.
 
I predict that teams like Kez and Joey are going to try to win every race and screw the rest. Teams that get close to the end of the cut off are going to try by hook or crook to get all their drivers in. Gibbs is going to give Kenseth all the breaks, Hendrick will too with two shy right now. More drama to come, just like they do in Formula 1, team orders I bet when it gets close to cut off time, maybe sooner. I bet Jr wouldn't have been 500 feet behind the pack with 6 to go if he wasn't already in.
 
StandOnIt said:
I predict that teams like Kez and Joey are going to try to win every race and screw the rest. Teams that get close to the end of the cut off are going to try by hook or crook to get all their drivers in. Gibbs is going to give Kenseth all the breaks, Hendrick will too with two shy right now. More drama to come, just like they do in Formula 1, team orders I bet when it gets close to cut off time, maybe sooner. I bet Jr wouldn't have been 500 feet behind the pack with 6 to go if he wasn't already in.
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I was kind of hoping that ALL the drivers try to win every race. Gibbs gave Kenseth all the breaks last year and expected a prize........... it didnt happen
 
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StandOnIt said:
I predict that teams like Kez and Joey are going to try to win every race and screw the rest. Teams that get close to the end of the cut off are going to try by hook or crook to get all their drivers in. Gibbs is going to give Kenseth all the breaks, Hendrick will too with two shy right now. More drama to come, just like they do in Formula 1, team orders I bet when it gets close to cut off time, maybe sooner. I bet Jr wouldn't have been 500 feet behind the pack with 6 to go if he wasn't already in.
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hendrick is 3 shy now.....not 2 ! another reason 88 don't need a win now

lotsa r&d w/ 1 win guys tho.
 
Revman said:
I actually thought that the new Chase might work out to be really cool, but now I worry that they may have missed something.
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They cant possibly cover all the angles, who knew the 88 would win the first race :idunno:
 
Kyle18fan said:
I was kind of hoping that ALL the drivers try to win every race
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You could be right, but I saw an interview with Gibbs and he said that he was really sweating it with two out of it and what a relief it was with Denny winning. He more of less said that Matt was going to get their best efforts. so I am guessing Danny and Kyle will be practicing with different setups and sharing it with the 20 car. All of the teams are short on setup info with the zero height change this year.
 
mreed said:
I'm thinking one thing nascar missed was that deciding the series champion from a single race is absurd.
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that is incorrect info you have there.If you notice the remaining drivers get their points reset after each elimination, so they all start out even.
After Richmond, the field will be whittled down via a series of eliminations — a NASCAR first. After every three Chase races, four drivers will be cut.

The first three races of the Chase (27-29) will be known as the Challenger Round with drivers eliminated Sept. 28 at Dover International Speedway. The 12 drivers remaining will have points reset to 3,000.

Races 30-32 will be known as the Contender Round with drivers eliminated Oct. 19 at Talladega Superspeedway. The eight drivers remaining will have their points reset to 4,000.

Races 33-35 will be the Eliminator Round, with the four remaining drivers having their points reset to 5,000. To reach the final four, drivers will be eliminated at the penultimate race at Phoenix International Raceway on Nov. 9.

That will leave four drivers still eligible for the championship during the Nov. 16 season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway. Whoever finishes highest among the four title-eligible drivers is NASCAR's new champion. Bonus points will not be awarded in the finale.
 
StandOnIt said:
You could be right, but I saw an interview with Gibbs and he said that he was really sweating it with two out of it and what a relief it was with Denny winning. He more of less said that Matt was going to get their best efforts. so I am guessing Danny and Kyle will be practicing with different setups and sharing it with the 20 car. All of the teams are short on setup info with the zero height change this year.
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Like I said before, Kenseth has been getting the red carpet since he stepped in the 20, nothing has changed IMO
 
Guys! I got the best idear for a new new new new chase format! what if... and bare with me here... We take like the top 46-47 drivers in points after the first race and we have a chase that lasts for like say 36 races or so and at the end of that chase the driver with the best average throughout those races wins the chase! Wouldn't that be so epic??? I know its CRAAAAZZYYY and its probably a little too outside the box for nascar.
 
StandOnIt said:
that is incorrect info you have there.If you notice the remaining drivers get their points reset after each elimination, so they all start out even.
After Richmond, the field will be whittled down via a series of eliminations — a NASCAR first. After every three Chase races, four drivers will be cut.

The first three races of the Chase (27-29) will be known as the Challenger Round with drivers eliminated Sept. 28 at Dover International Speedway. The 12 drivers remaining will have points reset to 3,000.

Races 30-32 will be known as the Contender Round with drivers eliminated Oct. 19 at Talladega Superspeedway. The eight drivers remaining will have their points reset to 4,000.

Races 33-35 will be the Eliminator Round, with the four remaining drivers having their points reset to 5,000. To reach the final four, drivers will be eliminated at the penultimate race at Phoenix International Raceway on Nov. 9.

That will leave four drivers still eligible for the championship during the Nov. 16 season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway. Whoever finishes highest among the four title-eligible drivers is NASCAR's new champion. Bonus points will not be awarded in the finale.
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That's just the long way of saying the series champion is decided from a single race.

#absurd
 
looks like ten races to me with the last race having the four left going for the championship...it is stick n ball dude. They have been watching that format for years, but Nascar one ups them with four cars instead of two teams. I wonder if they will have a half time show.
 
sky said:
Guys! I got the best idear for a new new new new chase format! what if... and bare with me here... We take like the top 46-47 drivers in points after the first race and we have a chase that lasts for like say 36 races or so and at the end of that chase the driver with the best average throughout those races wins the chase! Wouldn't that be so epic??? I know its CRAAAAZZYYY and its probably a little too outside the box for nascar.
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Its brilliant :D
 
StandOnIt said:
looks like ten races to me with the last race having the four left going for the championship...it is stick n ball dude. They have been watching that format for years, but Nascar one ups them with four cars instead of two teams. I wonder if they will have a half time show.
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They reset the points for the final race so the series champion decided on a single race.
 
that is one way of looking at it. Series champion survived the other nine races and won the tenth is another way. So acting like the winner is going to win by a fluke by winning only one race isn't realistic, they will have to run good for ten races, better then the other three in the last race. If you remember the last couple of years, the winner only had to finish for the most part to win, so they rode around the last race. The chances of that happening with four drivers all going for it the last race are better odds for a good race.
 
Revman said:
Great post right here. Think Brian sitting around in his pull ups playing Hotwheels with Helton. Never saw it coming.
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Never saw it coming? Hell, I predicted that winning drivers would experiment & slack off as the season progressed & it would conflict with the 100% rule but NASCAR won't do dick**** about it, when the original thread for the new chase discussion appeared.
 
StandOnIt said:
that is one way of looking at it. Series champion survived the other nine races and won the tenth is another way. So acting like the winner is going to win by a fluke by winning only one race isn't realistic, they will have to run good for ten races, better then the other three in the last race.
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So the champion is decided in 11 of the 36 races? Win 1 and be the best for the final 10. That's like saying the 5-11 team won the Super Bowl. Win 1 game to get into the playoffs and then win 4 more to win the Super Bowl. It's absurd.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Never saw it coming? Hell, I predicted that winning drivers would experiment & slack off as the season progressed & it would conflict with the 100% rule but NASCAR won't do dick**** about it, when the original thread for the new chase discussion appeared.
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I don't believe that all of the drivers that win will do so, especially teams that have everybody in, they are going to try to win all they can to eliminate their competition.
 
StandOnIt said:
looks like ten races to me with the last race having the four left going for the championship...it is stick n ball dude. They have been watching that format for years, but Nascar one ups them with four cars instead of two teams. I wonder if they will have a half time show.
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how'd them nfl football folks do w/ that format ? ha!
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So the champion is decided in 11 of the 36 races? Win 1 and be the best for the final 10. That's like saying the 5-11 team won the Super Bowl. Win 1 game to get into the playoffs and then win 4 more to win the Super Bowl. It's absurd.
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study it a little harder. Win one is to get into the elimination races. then you have to keep ahead of the others to survive all the elimination races and be one of the final four to be in the running for the championship..
 
StandOnIt said:
study it a little harder. Win one is to get into the elimination races. then you have to keep ahead of the others to survive all the elimination races and be one of the final four to be in the running for the championship..
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So the browns win one game & then win their final 4 playoff games and now they are crowned national champions.

So far, not 1 driver has shown dominance over the sport this year. Several drivers are having an amazing start. They are championship worthy so far. Edwards has won 1 race and ain't done **** anywhere else. Same with Kurt Busch. Junior ****** throttled back to save money. They are not championship worthy - but yet their names are already in the pot. It ain't right.

I want my champion to be the driver who scored the most points for 100% of the season. Not 30.5% of it.
 
got a few with two wins already and probably more to come. I don't have a clue what dominance has to do with it. And again you need to study it a bit harder. The "browns" would have to do well enough to not be eliminated in 9 games to qualify for the last "game" and they would have to beat 3 other teams when they get there. And of course they would have to win another to even be considered for the eliminations in the first place.
 
You will have even more chances to be baffled if they don't have 16 winners. they will let win less drivers into the elimination races on points however many they are shy of the 16.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So the browns win one game & then win their final 4 playoff games and now they are crowned national champions.

So far, not 1 driver has shown dominance over the sport this year. Several drivers are having an amazing start. They are championship worthy so far. Edwards has won 1 race and ain't done **** anywhere else. Same with Kurt Busch. Junior ******* throttled back to save money. They are not championship worthy - but yet their names are already in the pot. It ain't right.

I want my champion to be the driver who scored the most points for 100% of the season. Not 30.5% of it.
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try f1 ! ha!
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Never saw it coming? Hell, I predicted that winning drivers would experiment & slack off as the season progressed & it would conflict with the 100% rule but NASCAR won't do dick**** about it, when the original thread for the new chase discussion appeared.
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Sarcasm Chex. Crack the throttle.
 
Clutch said:
NO, he DIDN"T TRY....that is my gripe......
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Like I said earlier in this thread Jr was looking at the big picture, I think he feels this year is his best chance to win a championship. Come Homestead I bet Jr will be in this insane final 4 and have a great shot at winning it all. There comes a time when there is no need to push the issue, I think Jr. saw that Sunday.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Like I said earlier in this thread Jr was looking at the big picture, I think he feels this year is his best chance to win a championship. Come Homestead I bet Jr will be in this insane final 4 and have a great shot at winning it all. There comes a time when there is no need to push the issue, I think Jr. saw that Sunday.
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I hope so M9

I like the guy and hope he does well
 
StandOnIt said:
that is one way of looking at it. Series champion survived the other nine races and won the tenth is another way. So acting like the winner is going to win by a fluke by winning only one race isn't realistic, they will have to run good for ten races, better then the other three in the last race. If you remember the last couple of years, the winner only had to finish for the most part to win, so they rode around the last race. The chances of that happening with four drivers all going for it the last race are better odds for a good race.
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So you basically admit that it's manufactured drama?
 
FLRacingFan said:
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Short tracks and road courses get some of the worst ratings but plate tracks get tons of viewers. I guess that tells you all you need to know about the average NASCAR follower.
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BUT - little Bobby said the majority of fans no longer like plate races, so he HAS to be right!
 
SpeedPagan said:
So you basically admit that it's manufactured drama?
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of course it is manufactured drama, like the old chase wasn't? and stick n ball playoffs aren't? what's your point? Like you have never seen a stick n ball team lay down when they had a playoff berth clinched? So they now have home field advantage if they keep trying. Jr's in and IMO he isn't worried about losing his ride or his sponsor so I will be surprised if he does much until the elimination rounds.
 
maybe he should run a limited schedule, run only tracks he can give 100% on no matter where he finishes. most popular driver doesn't have to give 100%.
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