Kasey Kahne

reck said:
You're plain delussional to say he's the second best driver out of the Hendrick boys.

That's asinine.

Everyone in that organization is beating him right now. Sure he squeeks in a win or two every year but to be considered second best in an organization such as Hendrick you have to do more than your occassional win.

Kahne since joining the Hendrick organization..

Wins: 4
Top 5: 23
Top 10: 35
Pole: 4
Laps led: 977
Rank: 4th, 12th, 22nd (Current)

Junior..

Wins: 2
Top 5: 24
Top 10: 46
Pole: 3
Laps led: 830
Rank: 12th, 5th, 1st (Current)

Gordon..

Wins: 3
Top 5: 21
Top 10: 39
Pole: 4
Laps led: 1,029
Rank: 10th, 6th, 4th (Current)

Where does Kahne comes second out of those 4 guys in general?

Someone had it right when they said he was the 4th guy in that stable.
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More wins. It's jmo they're all good drivers. If kahne keeps sucking this year I will eat crow
 
reck said:
So one more measly win means he's second best? lol grade a logic.
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Well seeing how much Gordon and jr have struggled to win the past several years I think that's significant :rolleyes:
 
Yet he only has one more win than Gordon. And far less consistent than either Junior or Gordon.

Or did you missed the part where both those guys had more top 5s (Junior's case) and top10s than Kahne. Not to mention where they ended up in points.
 
reck said:
Yet he only has one more win than Gordon. And far less consistent than either Junior or Gordon.

Or did you missed the part where both those guys had more top 5s (Junior's case) and top10s than Kahne. Not to mention where they ended up in points.
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I never said he was more consistent. I'm arguing who the most talented is. Kahne has always lacked consistency but he's fast
 
Even Hendrick can't have four dominat cars. Kahne's car seems to have the most problems. Maybe he's overrated but I don't know if we can say that you put anyone else in the car and they'd do that much better.

Honestly, I feel like JJ is the top man there (obvious) and only one that will win a championship now. Gordon on his last legs and I don't trust Jr.
 
Lazyking said:
Even Hendrick can't have four dominat cars. Kahne's car seems to have the most problems. Maybe he's overrated but I don't know if we can say that you put anyone else in the car and they'd do that much better.

Honestly, I feel like JJ is the top man there (obvious) and only one that will win a championship now. Gordon on his last legs and I don't trust Jr.
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Lol nice pic :) And I agree with you that Jimmie is Hendricks only real threat for the title
 
He hasn't completely sucked this year, he has horrible luck. He ran great at Daytona but got caught up in a couple wrecks, and got screwed on that pitroad speeding penalty. Didn't do much of anything at Phoenix until the end and squeaked out a 11th place finish. Didnt do much at Las Vegas, but at the end he pulled out a 8th place finish. Ran great at Bristol, still finished 8th. Then Fontana he had a rear hub seal fail while running decent, that's just not heard of. Gets in a wreck on lap 3 in Martinsville, gets ran over in the pits. Drives his way into the top 5 at one point, but falls off at the end.

He has had speed at times, now he needs things to go his way for once.
 
He may have been "overrated" after his 6 win season but he's certainly not now. He drives on the edge a lot and gets into trouble for it, I think that's why he wrecks out more often than some of his counterparts. However, if I'm not mistaken wasn't he the highest in points of all the HMS drivers in 2012? He wins races every year, but his points standings are usually hurt by multiple DNF's that the top guys are usually able to avoid.

I like the Biffle comparison, both have proven to be winners year in and year out. Although, come crunch time they usually don't rise to the top. He's still a great driver regardless of where he is on the pecking order at HMS.
 
ToyYoda said:
Close. Jimmie was the highest, finishing 3rd, while Kahne finished 4th.
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I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification ToyYoda, my mistake.

I think if he is ever able to tidy up those DNF'S he seems so prone to, he could be a legit title threat. I just don't expect him to, because I think it's his style of driving that leads to them more than just dumb luck. Still a great driver though.
 
I think the problem with him is that he is never mentioned until he wins... and then fades away again for half a year. If a driver is not consistently in the top 5 or 10, winning every month or two, or sitting high in the standings the media forgets about them and in turn, so do we. I don't really think there's anything wrong with him, he's a good driver.. but I don't expect to see him contending for a championship. I don't completely rule it out, it's just that he hasn't done anything to make me think he will... yet. Remember he's still pretty young.
 
I think he is a pretty good diver, definitely above average. He was inconsistent last year (I wonder if being the new guy on the supper team had anything to do with that), I expect him to become more consistent this season.
 
I think people need to realize the cars are more equal than alot of people think. When kasey was at evernham he had the top sponsored car over there. That was the organizations flagship the 9 car. Over the last 10 years what successful race winning driver has switched teams to supposed "better" equipment and done a lot better?? matt kenseth is the only one I can come up with most guys that moved to "better" equipment actually have done worse. With kenseth that was sponsor driven I don't think matt thought he was going to be stepping into alot better equipment at gibbs. If roush would have had the money and sponsorship he would not have left. When roush was fully funded say 6 years ago they had just as good of cars as anyone else.

lets look at some driver moves
kurt to penske, less successful than his roush days
jmac to roush, a couple plate wins almost falling out of the top 35 a couple times when that mattered, essentially lost his ride there
mears to hendrick, he drove better in chips cars
mears to RCR, again drove better in chips cars
jr to hendrick from DEI, jr was better with DEI
havick from RCR..........?
vickers from HMS, I actually thought he was better at red bull and MWR
ryan newman from penske to haas, I would say that was a wash

my point is don't go and say how much better the equipment is here or there. We are not talking about kasey driving for front row or BK racing here. I do think organizations are better than others but all of the top tier organizations are capable of putting at least one or 2 competitive cars out there. this includes, ganassi, MWR etc. put a guy like stewart, or kenseth in a ganassi or MWR car and I think they still win quite a bit.
 
Revman said:
Perhaps he needs to change too. Kind of the opposite of Kurt/Kyle.....turn mean as hell and crew everybody's ass! Hell yes!!!
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Then we can hear about the "new Kasey" kinda like Kyle and Kurt :rolleyes:
 
Kyle18fan said:
If you get a little extra time translate that reply into english so I can decide whether or not to "like" it o_O
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Ok. Moving pictures may be easier for you to grasp. This is you when someone mentions the 'new Kyle'.



I don't expect the same reaction from Kasey fans....if he ever grows a set.
 
FenderBumper said:
Ok. Moving pictures may be easier for you to grasp. This is you when someone mentions the 'new Kyle'.



I don't expect the same reaction from Kasey fans....if he ever grows a set.
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LMAO !!! Aint no way in hell im gonna say that Kyle is "new". Sure as I do he will will have a fit on camera and make a fool outta me :cool:

Kyle isnt "new" print that up and save it
 
Kyle18fan said:
LMAO !!! Aint no way in hell im gonna say that Kyle is "new". Sure as I do he will will have a fit on camera and make a fool outta me :cool:

Kyle isnt "new" print that up and save it along with Obama's campaign promises
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True enough. Kyle and Joe Gibbs annual 'new Kyle' tour during speed weeks fooled me in 2010.
 
I don't want to say overrated. He just needs everything perfect for him to get wins. He rolls over for other drivers. He won't make a good day out of a bad car and he won't push the issue for a win or positions. There was few times last year he caught the leader and held back.
 
FenderBumper said:
True enough. Kyle and Joe Gibbs annual 'new Kyle' tour during speed weeks fooled me in 2010.
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That was for Mars. You know just like auto parts, gotta have candy companies on the straight and narrow.
 
IMO, Kasey is performing exactly the way Rick expected. Ricks a smart guy, and I'm pretty sure he's a realist meaning he probably only expects a win or 2 and a Chase berth out of Kahne per season. Anything more is a bonus. You think he expected Terry to beat Jeff back in 96, no. I'm sure he thought Jeff would win out the 90s same way Jimmie did the 2000s. But Terry surprised everyone and had a decent season that was aided by some misfortune by Jeff along with Dale Srs injuries suffered at Talladega. Wasn't expected that Terry would win but hey, it's another championship so let's toast it up. Testament to just how good Hendrick Motorsports is as a team.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Then we can hear about the "new Kasey" kinda like Kyle and Kurt :rolleyes:
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Yeah, I kind of like this idea. Maybe we need to make a new thread.....Let's reconstruct Kasey. Kind of like making soup. A couple of dashes of Tony Stewart. A sprinkle of Delana's wife. A pinch of "old" Kurt. A couple of teaspoons of pre-Texas Kyle. Newman any minute of the day. Heat. Pour into a bowl, and serve with a couple of slices of Kes. The result? Kiss my ass Rick! **** you Kenny! Double bird to the NASCAR officials. Hook Logano. Punch Kyle. Changes his name from Kasey to K-Dog with the signature above his door. Okay, still only wins a couple of races a year, but he would be a hell of a lot of fun. Oh yeah, K-Dog would become a fan of breasts as well.
 
Revman said:
That was for Mars. You know just like auto parts, gotta have candy companies on the straight and narrow.
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lol There is a mile of fertile ground between Kyle's behavior back then and the mythical 'straight and narrow'.

Kyle himself said he needed to change who he was, so there really isn't any validity to saying it was all for Mars. He did an interview a ways back and said the Bristols crowd reaction (loudest crowd noise ever registered at Bristol) to the 'Kyle is an ass' comment really woke him up. Most people decide to stop acting like a child throwing a tantrum earlier in life, but better late than never.
 
Kahne and Biffle really are similar in how they are not mentioned much, and are good for a few wins. The difference I see, is that I've never seen Biffle as a cardboard standup in any convenience store, but I used to see Kahne's face everywhere back in the day. Nobody ever says, Biffle is going to be the next big thing, but I've heard that about Kahne before he went to HMS. I don't remember any commercials with girls chasing Biffle around, either. So I don't know whether Kahne is living up to expectations or not. I will say, he's not the bottom feeder at HMS... I think that spot went to Danica.
 
Revman said:
Yeah, I kind of like this idea. Maybe we need to make a new thread.....Let's reconstruct Kasey. Kind of like making soup. A couple of dashes of Tony Stewart. A sprinkle of Delana's wife. A pinch of "old" Kurt. A couple of teaspoons of pre-Texas Kyle. Newman any minute of the day. Heat. Pour into a bowl, and serve with a couple of slices of Kes. The result? Kiss my ass Rick! **** you Kenny! Double bird to the NASCAR officials. Hook Logano. Punch Kyle. Changes his name from Kasey to K-Dog with the signature above his door. Okay, still only wins a couple of races a year, but he would be a hell of a lot of fun. Oh yeah, K-Dog would become a fan of breasts as well.
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I dont think they will ever get him to like the breasts though :(
 
Ironic that Kyle Busch isn't the one looking like an ass since last year.
 
Kasey is underrated, you can't say he is bad this year he starts off every year slow.
 
I like Kasey, he's fast, but just very inconsistent. It seems like with his team he's either leading a ton of laps and has a winning car, or you never hear about him and he finishes in the top 20. Idk what's going on, but I feel he's a very talented driver.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Maybe Kyle Larsons impressive driving will light a fire under some of these guys, many of them seem to have gotten comfortable with mediocrity. Being constantly showed up by the "new kid" might fire em up
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The new Chase will fire them up more than anything. In the past, you could run top-15 and even top-20 and solidly make the Chase if you eased around the track and didn't DNF. Now, there's no guarantee you'll make the Chase with 10 top-five finishes and 20 top-10 finishes. I haven't heard a single driver say anything about "good points race" all year long. Any driver that's content with mediocrity and isn't willing to go for wins deserves to get weeded out. Sadly, this includes Kasey Kahne. How many times did he let Kyle Busch run over him last year? Not once did he stand up for himself.

The Chase is a game changer. Drivers have to take risks, even if it means wrecking, to try to win races now. Kyle Larson, Chase Elliott, Kyle Busch and Ty Dillon will do that and they'll be future champions. Kasey Kahne won't do that. He'll give you solid consistent runs and maybe a win or two a year (maybe) but don't expect much else from him beyond that.
 
He's talented and can get wins, but he's very forgettable IMO. No charisma, no excitement; I've never known anybody to be a hardcore Kahne fan (well, until I saw you KahneFan :D). He's akin to the likes of Greg Biffle and Ryan Newman; they all seem to be towards the bottom when it comes to the top echelon of drivers.
 
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