Kasey Kahne

FLRacingFan said:
Jr. finishes 2nd often >> He has no killer instinct.

Kahne finishes 2nd often >> He has bad luck.

Good 'ol Racing Forums. lol
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Pretty much.

I'm amused by the whole Kahne vs. Junior dynamic that seems to be developing in this thread. Some people still insist on pulling the "well, at least my driver isn't as bad as Junior" bit when trying to defend their driver, as if Junior is still running midpack every week. Seriously, have y'all even been watching NASCAR for the last couple of years? LOL.

To be fair, though, I have heard plenty of accusations on here about Kahne lacking killer instinct too. Like the old saying goes, if you're running second and you aren't putting the leader into the granstands for a win, you're not trying. ;)

Kahne and Junior are both good drivers. They aren't world beaters like Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon in his prime, but they are far from being backmarkers. /thread
 
reck said:
Bait post on which I will not even bother to point the many reasons why he's never a contender for the championship.

Luck has nothing to do with his lack of consistency. Everyone has bad luck so try again.
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Try what? My POINT is that Kasey has performed on par with everyone except Jimmie Johnson. No one else out there wins more than a race or 2 a year consistently AND is a major factor for the championship every year. Saying luck has NOTHING to do with lack of consistency is just plain ignorant. I won't say it's the only reason as I have already pointed out that Kasey needs to improve on getting a decent finish when he does not have a top ten car but the luck is part of his problem. Here's some examples .... Michigan last year he had the dominant car and blew a tire when he had a huge lead...Darlington....another car to beat and gets dumped by Kyle Busch.....Charlotte....both fall and spring he should have won but was a victim of late cautions and put in a situation where no matter what he did everyone else did the opposite and he was beat by pit strategy. He drove the wheels off the car and still almost bet Brad K when Brad had much better tires and Brad gave him a ton of credit. Now if Kasey had won 2 or 3 of these races I doubt we'd even be having this conversation.

Oh..and PS.....I am not trying hard at all. It's not hard to show that Kasey's performance is there...I just don't understand why SOME people hold him to such a high standard? He had 11 wins with EMS/Gillette-Evernham/RPM IN 8 seasons....how many have they had since he left? One road course win for Ambrose I believe and that's it.
 
ramfan9 said:
Try what? My POINT is that Kasey has performed on par with everyone except Jimmie Johnson. No one else out there wins more than a race or 2 a year consistently AND is a major factor for the championship every year. Saying luck has NOTHING to do with lack of consistency is just plain ignorant. I won't say it's the only reason as I have already pointed out that Kasey needs to improve on getting a decent finish when he does not have a top ten car but the luck is part of his problem. Here's some examples .... Michigan last year he had the dominant car and blew a tire when he had a huge lead...Darlington....another car to beat and gets dumped by Kyle Busch.....Charlotte....both fall and spring he should have won but was a victim of late cautions and put in a situation where no matter what he did everyone else did the opposite and he was beat by pit strategy. He drove the wheels off the car and still almost bet Brad K when Brad had much better tires and Brad gave him a ton of credit. Now if Kasey had won 2 or 3 of these races I doubt we'd even be having this conversation.

Oh..and PS.....I am not trying hard at all. It's not hard to show that Kasey's performance is there...I just don't understand why SOME people hold him to such a high standard? He had 11 wins with EMS/Gillette-Evernham/RPM IN 8 seasons....how many have they had since he left? One road course win for Ambrose I believe and that's it.
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Don't forget the July race at Daytona, side by side with Johnson for the lead with a few laps to go and gets dumped by Ambrose, after the 48 made a bonehead move to try and block his own teammate.

Or the night race at Bristol that he should've won if he moved Kenseth out of the way.

Or the races at Kansas and las Vegas he could've very well have won.

I could go on and on...
 
KahneFan said:
Don't forget the July race at Daytona, side by side with Johnson for the lead with a few laps to go and gets dumped by Ambrose, after the 48 made a bonehead move to try and block his own teammate.

Or the night race at Bristol that he should've won if he moved Kenseth out of the way.

Or the races at Kansas and las Vegas he could've very well have won.

I could go on and on...
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I had completely forgotten about Daytona. Vegas REALLY annoyed me because it was another case where Kasey drove the wheels off the car and dominated the race but someone (Kenseth) pulled the perfect strategy to beat him. I know Kasey's critics say that he needs to close the deal but looking back on races like that I don't see what he could have done differently. This bad luck has been with him a long time....who can forget when he was laps away from his first career win at Dover and hit that oil? I remember him having a dominant car once at Charlotte (The MOPAR car) and blowing a tire. Year before last in the fall race at Bristol he takes the lead and a lapped car puts oil down right in front of him and he slaps the wall.

If he wins HALF of these races he's sitting on 30+ wins already in his career. I am so tired of this talk that Chase Elliott is taking his ride. I was a Bill Elliott fan and love the fact that Chase is coming but it should be in the 24...not the 5. A few wins should put all that to rest.
 
ramfan9 said:
I had completely forgotten about Daytona. Vegas REALLY annoyed me because it was another case where Kasey drove the wheels off the car and dominated the race but someone (Kenseth) pulled the perfect strategy to beat him. I know Kasey's critics say that he needs to close the deal but looking back on races like that I don't see what he could have done differently. This bad luck has been with him a long time....who can forget when he was laps away from his first career win at Dover and hit that oil? I remember him having a dominant car once at Charlotte (The MOPAR car) and blowing a tire. Year before last in the fall race at Bristol he takes the lead and a lapped car puts oil down right in front of him and he slaps the wall.

If he wins HALF of these races he's sitting on 30+ wins already in his career. I am so tired of this talk that Chase Elliott is taking his ride. I was a Bill Elliott fan and love the fact that Chase is coming but it should be in the 24...not the 5. A few wins should put all that to rest.
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He could EASILY have 10 more wins in his career. I love Chase too and hope he does well, but I'm sick of people saying he'll take over the 5 car too.
 
ramfan9 said:
I was a Bill Elliott fan and love the fact that Chase is coming but it should be in the 24...not the 5.
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If you expect Johnson, Jr., or Gordon to get the boot for Elliott after 2015...you're gonna have a bad time.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If you expect Johnson, Jr., or Gordon to get the boot for Elliott after 2015...you're gonna have a bad time.
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That's funny....if you pay attention the plan has always been that he will take over for Gordon. They were even talkiing on Racehub last night about how early indications are that he will be in the 24. I am not saying it's impossible that he will end up in the 5 because Gordon may decide he does not want to retire and there may be no place else to go but I truly believe than Hendrick wants to keep Chase and Kasey and if he can make that work he will find a way. I have said it befire but I would not be surprised to see a "JR Motorsports" Cup car that in a ll reality is another Hendrick car with Jr listed as the owner. Much like Hendrick's entire NNS program.
 
BobbyFord said:
I see KK fans making excuses for Kasey's lack of performance.
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There is a big difference between making excuses and pointed out the obvious that every team has their ups and downs and it's hard to adjust to new personell sometimes. If Kasey has proven anything it's if they give him the car he can get the job done. I also feel like like this slup has been blown WAY out of proportion....They have not completly missed the set up anywhere really. They have been top 10 or close to it every week but the finishes have not been there.
 
FenderBumper said:
I really thought he would finally show his talent, but sometimes he's more like a rookie out there than a veteran.
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Really? When is he like like a rookie? There is a big difefrence between driving like a rookie and the TEAM missing the set up a little here and there. The onyl rookie move I have seen all year from a non-rookie was when Jr. decided the grass needed to be cut in Texas.
 
ramfan9 said:
That's funny....if you pay attention the plan has always been that he will take over for Gordon. They were even talkiing on Racehub last night about how early indications are that he will be in the 24. I am not saying it's impossible that he will end up in the 5 because Gordon may decide he does not want to retire and there may be no place else to go but I truly believe than Hendrick wants to keep Chase and Kasey and if he can make that work he will find a way. I have said it befire but I would not be surprised to see a "JR Motorsports" Cup car that in a ll reality is another Hendrick car with Jr listed as the owner. Much like Hendrick's entire NNS program.
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It's all speculation at this point because nothing has been announced.

Jr. Motorsports can't field a Cup car as Rick Hendrick is one of the owners of Jr. Motorsports. Kelly Earnhardt & Dale Earnhardt Jr. have stated several times that there are no plans to go to the Cup ranks. They state that their plan continues to develop young drivers. They went on to say that the plan with Chase Elliott is to have him run two complete seasons in the Nationwide Series before ever moving to Cup. Probably a good idea.
 
Like most everyone, Kasey's only one win away from being in the Chase. That will take a bad season and make it good. He's got the equipment. He's got the talent. He's proven that. The win is just there waiting for him.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's all speculation at this point because nothing has been announced.

Jr. Motorsports can't field a Cup car as Rick Hendrick is one of the owners of Jr. Motorsports. Kelly Earnhardt & Dale Earnhardt Jr. have stated several times that there are no plans to go to the Cup ranks. They state that their plan continues to develop young drivers. They went on to say that the plan with Chase Elliott is to have him run two complete seasons in the Nationwide Series before ever moving to Cup. Probably a good idea.
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That's my whole point. Everyone is very quick to speculate that Chase is taking the 5 because Kasey's team has been a little off so far. They also could field a Cup car if the paperwork is done right and Hendrick is NOT listed as the owner....Hendrick is not listed as the owner for SHR but that is all Hendrick Equipment. The speculation is very early and also very unfair to Kasey. He runs a little off for a few weeks and everyone wants him out of the car. This will be a very funny meaningless conversation later this year if they catch fire and rattle off a few wins and are a factor in the Chase.....what would Hendrick do then? I still believe that his long term plans include both Kasey and Chase.
 
ramfan9 said:
There is a big difference between making excuses and pointed out the obvious that every team has their ups and downs and it's hard to adjust to new personell sometimes. If Kasey has proven anything it's if they give him the car he can get the job done. I also feel like like this slup has been blown WAY out of proportion....They have not completly missed the set up anywhere really. They have been top 10 or close to it every week but the finishes have not been there.
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There's no difference in the bottom line; lack of performance, which equates to lack of success.
 
ramfan9 said:
That's my whole point. Everyone is very quick to speculate that Chase is taking the 5 because Kasey's team has been a little off so far. They also could field a Cup car if the paperwork is done right and Hendrick is NOT listed as the owner....Hendrick is not listed as the owner for SHR but that is all Hendrick Equipment. The speculation is very early and also very unfair to Kasey. He runs a little off for a few weeks and everyone wants him out of the car. This will be a very funny meaningless conversation later this year if they catch fire and rattle off a few wins and are a factor in the Chase.....what would Hendrick do then? I still believe that his long term plans include both Kasey and Chase.
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The difference between SHR and Jr. Motorsports is that Hendrick sells equipment to SHR. He is actually part owner of Jr. Motorsports. That's not the same thing. It's not like putting someone elses name as owner of the car like some of them do. It has nothing to do with who owns the car like it does in other situations. Completely different.
 
BobbyFord said:
There's no difference in the bottom line; lack of performance, which equates to lack of success.
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That's true but lack of performance it not always on the driver. Kasey has proven that he can drive. The missing link is Keith Rodman. He was the lead engineer on the 5 and like Kenny Francis has been with Kasey since beofore his Hendrick days. He left to go be crew chief on the 1 car and suddenly McMurry is running better than he has in years and Kasey's team is off a little. They need some time to gel with new personel and Rick hendrick knows this. Do you think it's just an amazing coincidence that the 1 is dramatically improved with Rodman and the 5 is a little off now?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The difference between SHR and Jr. Motorsports is that Hendrick sells equipment to SHR. He is actually part owner of Jr. Motorsports. That's not the same thing. It's not like putting someone elses name as owner of the car like some of them do. It has nothing to do with who owns the car like it does in other situations. Completely different.
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It's not exactly like that...they share information with each other. My point is that just like when Hendrick signed Kasey and there was no room for him yet he will find a way to help Kasey or Chase get in a ride with good equipment or Hendrick support.
 
ramfan9 said:
That's funny....if you pay attention the plan has always been that he will take over for Gordon. They were even talkiing on Racehub last night about how early indications are that he will be in the 24. I am not saying it's impossible that he will end up in the 5 because Gordon may decide he does not want to retire and there may be no place else to go but I truly believe than Hendrick wants to keep Chase and Kasey and if he can make that work he will find a way. I have said it befire but I would not be surprised to see a "JR Motorsports" Cup car that in a ll reality is another Hendrick car with Jr listed as the owner. Much like Hendrick's entire NNS program.
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Speculation. Axalta signed an extension last year through 2016, so it reasons that Gordon will stay that long as well. Chase isn't going to spend three years in Nationwide. The #5 team is his after 2015.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Speculation. Axalta signed an extension last year through 2016, so it reasons that Gordon will stay that long as well. Chase isn't going to spend three years in Nationwide. The #5 team is his after 2015.
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LMFAO!!! So apparently Kasey may as well just mail it in. And Gordon HAS to stay because a sponsor signed through 2016? I am pretty sure the sponsor is tied to the TEAM more than to a driver. I am not saying it won't happen...I am just saying that calling it a foregone conclusion at this point is pretty uninformed.
 
ramfan9 said:
LMFAO!!! So apparently Kasey may as well just mail it in. And Gordon HAS to stay because a sponsor signed through 2016? I am pretty sure the sponsor is tied to the TEAM more than to a driver. I am not saying it won't happen...I am just saying that calling it a foregone conclusion at this point is pretty uninformed.
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Why would he negotiate a three-year extension if he didn't plan on staying put for the entire duration of the contract?

In Gordon's case, the sponsor is pretty clearly tied to the driver. Just like how all of Harvick's sponsors followed him from RCR to SHR, GoDaddy has followed Danica across multiple series, etc.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Why would he negotiate a three-year extension if he didn't plan on staying put for the entire duration of the contract?

In Gordon's case, the sponsor is pretty clearly tied to the driver. Just like how all of Harvick's sponsors followed him from RCR to SHR, GoDaddy has followed Danica across multiple series, etc.
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Those cases are not the norm....Gordon has already said straight out that he would retire THIS year if he wins the championship. I also find it ironic that all the NASCAR analysts on NASCAR Race Hub said just yesterday that Chase is likely headed to the 24. I find it amazing that if you are 100% right that they failed to relaize that. No driver is sticking around longer than they want to because of a sponsar. Gordon is getting more involved in his family life right now. I know he said recently that he may run longer but I think that's just leading the points talking. If he fails to win the championship this year after running so well that might take the wind out of his sails.

Another factor here is that I am sure Gordon will take what is best for the organization into play as well. I don't see him as the kind of guy that will tie up a ride to hang on an extra year or two to kick another driver out in their prime. All that being said it will be very interesting to see what happens. I am not worried about Kasey because he will end up somewhere if he were to get booted from the 5. It's way too early for all of this though....too many what if's. What if Jeff starts runnng bad again and decides to retire after all? What if Kasey catches fire (as he has tendency to do) and wins 3 or 4 races this year or even the championship? What if Chase regresses a little? The other thing is that there is alreay preliminary talk to bring Chase up for 5 races a year in Cup possible as early as this season....what car would that be in?
 
reck said:
Yes.

How many times has Kahne outpoint either Gordon and Jr. in his career?

Dont wreck your brain trying to figure that one out. Here's a hint...not many.
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Who honestly cares where you finish in the points if you were not a solid threat at a championship? Jr never really has been until (maybe) this year and I really can't remember the last time Gordon was a major threat for that.
 
I doubt that...he is still signed with HMS through next year and there is no indication that HMS will be bringing Chase up next year even IF Chase were to take the 5 from Kasey. Either could be a possibility for 2015 if that happens though. I am always the first to admit when I am wrong but I still just don't see Hendrick letting Kasey go.....I think he still sees him as part of the future of HMS since he is a good bit younger than Johnson, Gordon and Jr....Chase may very well be the future of HMS (and possibly NASCAR for that matter) but there will still always be other seats to fill. It would not be bad to see him at JGR though if they were to add a 4th car....that's just as good equipment as HMS.
 
ramfan9 said:
Who honestly cares where you finish in the points if you were not a solid threat at a championship? Jr never really has been until (maybe) this year and I really can't remember the last time Gordon was a major threat for that.
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Ehh, both Junior and Gordon were up there in points last year. Junior was solid in the "regular season" and had a solid Chase despite going winless. And yeah, Gordon was infamously added as the 13th driver, and I was one of the people that hated that, but for a guy that arguably shouldn't even have made it in, his Chase run impressed me.

I'm gonna half-troll you here and continue this silly HMS bloodfeud we've got going in this thread. I hate to do it because I like Kasey Kahne, but remind me, where'd he finish last year? 12th? When Junior finished 12th in the Chase in 2012, it was because he missed two races with a concussion. What's Kasey's excuse?

ramfan9 said:
I would not got THAT far....Clint Bowyer has done pretty well there and Vickers won a race last year too.....I would also rather see him at JRG but he has won in equipment far worse than MWR like RPM and Red Bull.
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Now, this I 100% agree with. Mikey has a solid operation. If anything set them back at all, it was the Richmond fiasco last year. They lost a long-time, big money sponsor, and consequently, they lost a car, a driver, and a team too. They also lost Rodney Childers to SHR. Granted, practically speaking, I dunno how much that stuff has directly impacted them as an organization, but I don't think anyone would argue that it helped them at all.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Ehh, both Junior and Gordon were up there in points last year. Junior was solid in the "regular season" and had a solid Chase despite going winless. And yeah, Gordon was infamously added as the 13th driver, and I was one of the people that hated that, but for a guy that arguably shouldn't even have made it in, his Chase run impressed me.

I'm gonna half-troll you here and continue this silly HMS bloodfeud we've got going in this thread. I hate to do it because I like Kasey Kahne, but remind me, where'd he finish last year? 12th? When Junior finished 12th in the Chase in 2012, it was because he missed two races with a concussion. What's Kasey's excuse?


Now, this I 100% agree with. Mikey has a solid operation. If anything set them back at all, it was the Richmond fiasco last year. They lost a long-time, big money sponsor, and consequently, they lost a car, a driver, and a team too. They also lost Rodney Childers to SHR. Granted, practically speaking, I dunno how much that stuff has directly impacted them as an organization, but I don't think anyone would argue that it helped them at all.
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I don't understand why you think Kasey requires an "excuse." He had a bad chase last year plain and simple....so did Carl Edwards who somehow finished worse than Kasey. Jr had a good Chase. The year prior yes Jr finished 12th partially because of a concussion but do you really think he would have beat Kasey's 4th place in the standings that year? Kasey was better than him all year. Also, look back at the history - Jr has had some REALLY bad points finishes as well. There was one year the other Hendrick cars finished 1-2-3 in the points and he was in the 20's. And let's not forget - there was not point since 2006 that Jr was in equipment that was not worse than Kasey's but Kasey spent some of those years in a bad ride that no one else can win in. The year prior to that Kasey was in inferior eqipment at Red Bull and had he made The Chase he ran good enough during it to finish third. The bottom line is this.....neither Kasey or Junior have ever really put an eitire season together to be a cahpionship threat. You talk abiout Jr. like he is a contender all the time. He has not finished in the top 5 in points since 2006. He has 3 total wins from 2006 - current. In that same time frame Kasey has 15. For a person who supposedly likes Kasey you are sure quick to down him for no apparent reason. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "bloodfued." I am just stating fact.
 
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I don't understand why you think Kasey requires an "excuse." He had a bad chase last year plain and simple....so did Carl Edwards who somehow finished worse than Kasey. Jr had a good Chase. The year prior yes Jr finished 12th partially because of a concussion but do you really think he would have beat Kasey's 4th place in the standings that year? Kasey was better than him all year. Also, look back at the history - Jr has had some REALLY bad points finishes as well. There was one year the other Hendrick cars finished 1-2-3 in the points and he was in the 20's. And let's not forget - there was not point since 2006 that Jr was in equipment that was not worse than Kasey's but Kasey spent some of those years in a bad ride that no one else can win in. The year prior to that Kasey was in inferior eqipment at Red Bull and had he made The Chase he ran good enough during it to finish third. The bottom line is this.....neither Kasey or Junior have ever really put an eitire season together to be a cahpionship threat. You talk abiout Jr. like he is a contender all the time. He has not finished in the top 5 in points since 2006. He has 3 total wins from 2006 - current. In that same time frame Kasey has 15. For a person who supposedly likes Kasey you are sure quick to down him for no apparent reason. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "bloodfued." I am just stating fact.
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ramfan9 said:
Who honestly cares where you finish in the points if you were not a solid threat at a championship? Jr never really has been until (maybe) this year and I really can't remember the last time Gordon was a major threat for that.
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You're either a clueless individual, a newbie or a very, very terrible troll.

Either of which fits your criteria.
 
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Does Kasey Kahne even care anymore?
 
KahneFan said:
Don't forget the July race at Daytona, side by side with Johnson for the lead with a few laps to go and gets dumped by Ambrose, after the 48 made a bonehead move to try and block his own teammate.

Or the night race at Bristol that he should've won if he moved Kenseth out of the way.

Or the races at Kansas and las Vegas he could've very well have won.

I could go on and on...
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Do I need to add the would've? lol.... I think that's the big problem with him... he needs that killer instinct that he clearly doesn't have. No one remembers who finished 2nd... which is a big reason why he not a very memorable person. He's never been in championship talk.. sure he wins twice a year but so does Greg Biffle. The only difference is that Kasey is driving a Hendrick car so he is expected to be better... and he's not so it makes him look even worse.
 
Bleh... how did I end up in the Kahne thread? We reeeally need to get back to racing... we need some real news or something that's actually interesting to talk about :D lol
 
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