kurt Busch out at Penske

SST55 said:
DPK, what owner would want him? Maybe his brother is all I can think of.
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Yea, that's all I can think of as well. His brother starting a "Busch Racing Team" is about the only way I can see Kurt getting another Cup ride.
 
Are you thinking that Kurt is totally taboo now? After all of the things the younger shrub did people are still buying M&M's, right?

How about a Robby Gordon #7 ride? He could use a driver and his owner created sponsor, SPEED ENERGY, could stand to be in the news. Just a thought.

How about a S&P team? They could use a driver that might be able to do something with little.
 
He's blown not one but two opportunities with upper tier teams, that doesn't leave many places to go. I can name a dozen local drivers who would kill for the chances he's had. Bet you can too.
 
Just throwing this out there.....

Does he get a guaranteed start in the first five races next year since he's in the top 35 or does that stay exclusively with the owner? If he does, I feel certain that he will be in a seat before the 500. Where? I don't know.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Are you thinking that Kurt is totally taboo now? After all of the things the younger shrub did people are still buying M&M's, right?

How about a Robby Gordon #7 ride? He could use a driver and his owner created sponsor, SPEED ENERGY, could stand to be in the news. Just a thought.

How about a S&P team? They could use a driver that might be able to do something with little.
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We may have this all wrong. I watched Kurt's video, and if he really is upset, he's one hell of a actor. He seems genuinely happy to be moving on, and Shell says they are OK with that. Since Penske doesn't have a driver lined up, you have to wonder if Shell would just boot Kurt without knowing their options. If Kurt really decided to back out on his own, they wouldn't have any choice but to accept his decision, because forcing a guy to drive the car isn't an option.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Just throwing this out there.....

Does he get a guaranteed start in the first five races next year since he's in the top 35 or does that stay exclusively with the owner? If he does, I feel certain that he will be in a seat before the 500. Where? I don't know.
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Points stay with the car owner, who can switch them around with nascars approval. Kurt has no claim to them.
 
SST55 said:
He's blown not one but two opportunities with upper tier teams, that doesn't leave many places to go. I can name a dozen local drivers who would kill for the chances he's had. Bet you can too.
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Yea, and Kurt doesn't have the same kind of record that his brother has. I mean sure Kyle is an ass but he always consistently finishes up front in the pack.
 
FenderBumper said:
Points stay with the car owner, who can switch them around with nascars approval. Kurt has no claim to them.
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Past champions provisional then?

And this I'm sure will be another thread for when Danica rolls into Daytona but what are the odds that Tony moves the car owner points of the #14 to the #10 to guarantee she's in the show? He's always got the past champions provisional and he's the most recent champion. ;)
 
David Ragan, who spent five seasons with Roush Fenway Racing and won this season’s July Cup race at Daytona Beach, Fla., has emerged as the frontrunner to replace Busch, several sources confirmed.

Reached by phone, Ragan said he had contacted the Penske organization on Sunday night and planned a meeting but that he has not been offered the job.

"I look forward to sitting down with them and talking about the opportunity," Ragan told the Observer. "I have a lot of respect for Roger Penske and his program.

"I think I have proven myself was a winner and in representing my sponsors UPS and AAA over the years. My record off the track speaks for itself."


Read more: http://www.thatsracin.com/2011/12/05/80044/can-david-ragan-gain-from-kurt.html#ixzz1fgQjibq5

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So, Dave hasn't even talked to Penske yet? If his sales pitch is "I'm a proven winner", it's going to be a short meeting. He needs to be talking about a huge, deep down committment to becoming MUCH better after 5 years behind the wheel of Roush cars.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Past champions provisional then?

And this I'm sure will be another thread for when Danica rolls into Daytona but what are the odds that Tony moves the car owner points of the #14 to the #10 to guarantee she's in the show? He's always got the past champions provisional and he's the most recent champion. ;)
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Is the past champion provisional a one shot deal? Use it and lose it?
 
FenderBumper said:
Is the past champion provisional a one shot deal? Use it and lose it?
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Limit of 6 per season.

Per Jayski.....

Past Champions Limited To 6 Provisional Berths in Cup: NASCAR announced an update to the past champion’s provisional rule in the Sprint Cup Series for 2007. A past champion’s provisional may be used by an eligible driver a maximum of six times over the course of the season. In addition, a team with a past champion eligible driver may only use this provisional a maximum of six times during a season. Previously, there was no limit on usage of the past champion’s provisional over the course of the 36-race season. The provisional gives the eligible driver the 43rd and final starting position in the race field. "As NASCAR seeks to place more emphasis on competition, we have decided the time is right to limit the number of provisional's allowed,” said NASCAR Vice President of Competition Robin Pemberton. “We believe this revision brings the provisional policy in line with the continued growth of the sport.”(NASCAR PR)
This is only for a team/driver OUTSIDE the top-35 in owners points, drivers whose team is in the top-35 in owners points, would already be guaranteed in the field and not need the Past Champions Provisional. The provisional is not used in the event Qualifying is cancelled and not charged.
 
Ah the ol' DW 43rd starting spot, aka past champs provisional. Think it's now limited to just 6.
 
Regardless of the number it can possibly get you through the first five races. At that point you'd go off of your current standing in the points. That could be a big plus for Kurt as he can definitely wheel a car.
 
Thanks guys. So the champ provisional is a life long advantage, but limited to 6 uses per year.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Regardless of the number it can possibly get you through the first five races. At that point you'd go off of your current standing in the points. That could be a big plus for Kurt as he can definitely wheel a car.
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Did you watch Kurt's video? It sure seems like he wants a year off.
 
A top driver that's burned bridges with 2 top teams. As mentioned before, he doesn't have a whole lot of options left. But what I do see happening, is if Coach Joe drops Kyle for his behavior in the next 2 years, KBM comes back as a cup operation leaching off another team, SHR style.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
And this I'm sure will be another thread for when Danica rolls into Daytona but what are the odds that Tony moves the car owner points of the #14 to the #10 to guarantee she's in the show? He's always got the past champions provisional and he's the most recent champion. ;)
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Not that I agree with it but that would be the smart thing for Tony to do. He's locked in either way so why not?
 
FenderBumper said:
Thanks guys. So the champ provisional is a life long advantage, but limited to 6 uses per year.
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Yes. To a point. If a past champ, lets start with Tony it's his to use this year as most current past champ, if he doesn't need it it the option passes to Johnson, then to kurt busch, then kennsth, gordon and finally labonte.

From what I understand it's 6 times per year per driver.
 
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Magnethead said:
A top driver that's burned bridges with 2 top teams. As mentioned before, he doesn't have a whole lot of options left. But what I do see happening, is if Coach Joe drops Kyle for his behavior in the next 2 years, KBM comes back as a cup operation leaching off another team, SHR style.
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Gibbs ain't gonna drop Kyle - at least not yet. Coach is good at rehabilitating people and sees Kyle as a personal challenge. Pee Wee is - at best - a work in progress, (He's also, by far, the best driver in the JGR stable!)

Maybe Kurt can kiss up to his little brother and drive the KBM Number 18 in the Truck Series. Kyle has already said that he wants to step away to some degree. Kurt can drive it full time and Kyle can enter a second truck for himself when he feels like driving.

The only problem would be selling Kurt to the KBM sponsors. That may be too big a challenge to overcome, y'know? :rolleyes:
 
JennaFryer

Just hung up with Kurt, bare with me on this:
"I want to be remembered as a champion driver," he said.

I asked Kurt to clarify, does that mean he won't be back in NASCAR because that sounds a little like a goodbye.

"I'm considering all of my options. There's plenty of time to figure that all out," he said.

So are things outside of NASCAR a possibility for Kurt?

"The NHRA or Kimmel street stock ... that's where I had the smile on my face."

But before we assume Kurt is going to look at other series, he did note:

"I've got a past champions provisional."

Penske's Bud Denker: Hornish not a candidate for the 22. "Our intentions are to run Sam for the Nationwide championship. It would be haphazard to just put Sam in the 22 right now. Everyone saw him at Phoenix, he got his feet back."

Denker on Ragan: "We are just starting the evaluation process. We’re getting a lot more calls today a lot of people are raising their hand.”

Denker on Kurt: "He was not fired. This is a process that began several weeks ago as we discussed concerns both sides had moving forward."

Was the homestead situation the reason he left?

“No. We had our concerns and he had his, and it was time for us to separate."

So why today announcement?

"We had respect for Tony and NASCAR in respect to the banquet. We made it this date for the respect."

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Watching Kurts video, and remembering how pumped he was going into the chase, only to have the Penske cars faulter again, I believe this is how it really went down. I think he lost faith that he would ever bee competitive in the chase with Penske. Put together with the fact that the bigs from Shell didn't sit at his table, the decision was made before the banquet.
 
robbybee said:
The only problem would be selling Kurt to the KBM sponsors. That may be too big a challenge to overcome, y'know? :rolleyes:
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Yeah, because 2 busches in one truck is worth a bullet in the head.

I'll bet Clint Bowyer is getting drunk right now.
 
This thing is blowing up big time. First, Dave Ragan isn't a front runner for anything. He hasn't even met with anyone at Penske.

Radio: http://tiny.cc/gbog0

Now Kurt is on Sirus channel 90, apparently getting a little rowdy about the whole thing.
 
FenderBumper said:
This thing is blowing up big time. First, Dave Ragan isn't a front runner for anything. He hasn't even met with anyone at Penske.

Radio: http://tiny.cc/gbog0

Now Kurt is on Sirus channel 90, apparently getting a little rowdy about the whole thing.
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I think the fact that he was being outperformed by Brad Keselowski got to him. Kurt and Kyle both don't like being the second best at any organization. Whether Kurt knows it or not, Brad's the better driver.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I think the fact that he was being outperformed by Brad Keselowski got to him. Kurt and Kyle both don't like being the second best at any organization. Whether Kurt knows it or not, Brad's the better driver.
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I think that raised his frustration level as far as getting a handle on the 'new' car.
 
kelloggs5TLfan said:
It wouldn't work for me earlier. I haven't tried in a couple of hrs.
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You're not missing much, just a sticky sweet sanguine message from Kurt that proves that the right medication can work. We just don't know for how long, though.
 
sloggie said:
Ragan is at best Mediocre. I would think Penske would bring in a younger driver.
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Cindric said something interesting. There arent any championship calibur drivers available, but Brad wasn't either when they put him in the Miller Lite car.

It sounds like they are open to a new face in Cup. Doesn't mean they will sign one, but they may be willing to consider it. goprn.com is having a show mostly about Kurt (7pm E), and they just added Trevor Bayne as a late guest. I wonder what he'll talk about.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I think the fact that he was being outperformed by Brad Keselowski got to him. Kurt and Kyle both don't like being the second best at any organization. Whether Kurt knows it or not, Brad's the better driver.
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I guess Kurt has been out performed by a younger skinny kid in one form or another his whole life......
 
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