Kurt's Meltdown

Anybody know anything about successful treatment of anger issues ? Any other sports figures successfully dealt with it ? I don't really know how treatable it is .
 
ted@economy said:
I agree with the rest of your post , but I'm not sure that I understand the Mayfield comparison. Kurt hasn't ever been assiciated with drugs to my knowledge . And I don't know that Mayfield's issues had anything to do with pissing Nascar off . (they do now ).Mayfield is a druggie and a criminal , Kurt has anger management issues. I love the Finch loses,Nascar loses ,and Kurt loses ,statement . Very true.
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Mayfield did fine until he started pissin off first Penske then Evernham Nascar don't like people who scare away money by acting stupid.
Maybe he is a druggie and maybe Nascar just ran with it.
But I totally respect your view on it.
 
racer8 said:
Mayfield did fine until he started pissin off first Penske then Evernham Nascar don't like people who scare away money by acting stupid.
Maybe he is a druggie and maybe Nascar just ran with it.
But I totally respect your view on it.
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I guess ,if I understand you right , that you believe Nascar kinda forced Mayfield out on embellished charges . I don't know if that's correct or not , but Mayfield's track record since he's been away from Nascar makes one think that maybe he is not blameless.
 
racer8 said:
Mayfield did fine until he started pissin off first Penske then Evernham Nascar don't like people who scare away money by acting stupid.
Maybe he is a druggie and maybe Nascar just ran with it.
But I totally respect your view on it.
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I still have a hard time on the Mayfield on drugs stuff. According to NASCAR's toxicology reports, he's dead. And people who say NASCAR wouldn't do something like this, two words: Tim Richmond.
 
ted@economy said:
I guess ,if I understand you right , that you believe Nascar kinda forced Mayfield out on embellished charges . I don't know if that's correct or not , but Mayfield's track record since he's been away from Nascar makes one think that maybe he is not blameless.
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His track record since he started fighting Nascar has been bad and I feel that now that he has given up it will all stop. Andy is right some of his test results should have had him dead.
If he is indeed a druggie and a crook let the courts decide of which nothing has been proven as of yet in a court of law. In other words no convictions.
Anyway back to Kurt I just wonder if his bad luck will get even worse if Nascar wants him gone.
 
racer8 said:
His track record since he started fighting Nascar has been bad and I feel that now that he has given up it will all stop. Andy is right some of his test results should have had him dead.
If he is indeed a druggie and a crook let the courts decide of which nothing has been proven as of yet in a court of law. In other words no convictions.
Anyway back to Kurt I just wonder if his bad luck will get even worse if Nascar wants him gone.
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The problem is the courts have taken the unprecedented measure that, not only does Jeremy have to PROVE his innocence, but that he will not be given the opportunity to prove his innocence regarding the drug tests. But it's a known fact that you cannot fight big money. I was kind of undecided until NASCAR's numbers said he was three times the fatal dose. According to NASCAR's own numbers and several experts, Mayfield should be dead. NASCAR has gone so overboard in their allegations that it's become hard to believe. And Aegis Labs has a history of screwing up. They spent a decade and tens of millions of dollars fighting a case where they mishandled a test then, in trying to cover up their mistake, intentionally mishandled and falsified drug tests for the same person. Also, let's not forget that other labs tested Mayfield in the time that he failed Aegis' test and he was tested clean.

Sometimes, when companies or organizations want somebody gone and can't get rid of them, they will go to any extreme to make it happen. My former employer did it to me, to the extremes that they even violated their own disciplinary hearing guidelines to make it happen. They tried so hard to get rid of me and found that they really couldn't do it because they couldn't find any wrongdoing (well, the rules I broke and could've been fired for, they were also violating the same rules themselves and knew it wouldn't survive) so they had to make some up.

Bottom line, if someone with money, power or influence wants someone without money, power or influence out of the picture, they'll make it happen.
 
As for Kurt, NASCAR's so desperate for a black hat villan, they'll keep him around. Look how much stuff Krylie got away with before NASCAR finally put a foot down.
 
The conspiracy theory is more believable in NA$$CAR than it would be within many organizations. Still, I have to think that while NA$$CAR wanted to divorce themselves from Mayfield, they made some bad choices in how they went about filing for that divorce.

I liked Mayfield and I am still quite disappointed by what has happend to him. He has some validation in the fact that his step-mother seems to be a raging lunatic who may (or may not) have killed Jeremey's Dad. The details of the Senior Mr. Mayfield's death seem to be a non-issue when it comes to NA$$CAR's decision to fire Jeremey's ass.

Hopefully, at some point, the whole truth will be exposed. In the mean time, Jeremey has done a pretty good job of putting his own believability into question - several times over.

It's just quite sad that all of this has played out in the public eye.
 
BUT!

This is a thread about Kurt. While I don't think that there are any direct correlations between Kurt and Jeremey, there are some similar "issues" when it comes to the subject of self-control.

It has been said since forever that Kurt and Kyle were spoiled brats who did everything they could to make themselves out to be superior to their peers. That would appear to be the driving force behind their actions, IMO. Neither is willing and/or able to look at themselves as being the problem.

A friend of mine likes to use the term "living at the end of the finger" (no, not THAT finger) which means that they point blame for everything that goes wrong to somebody other than themselves. It's a disease that is prevalant in narcissistic types - from athletes to politicians.
 
Newman's crew member and Mayfield have absolutely nothing to do with KuBu actions. Busch himself is the ONLY person in control of his decisions and therefore he's 100% responsible for them.
 
ted@economy said:
Anybody know anything about successful treatment of anger issues ? Any other sports figures successfully dealt with it ? I don't really know how treatable it is .
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Many will not appreciate but...when I was a boy I pitched a fit at the department store, I didnt think I was getting done right because my brothers toy looked better. My Mom sucessfully adjusted my attitude on the spot.

This was even more true with my dad, I only recall two whippings (was on the bottom and not child abuse) when he finished you was ready for a peace accord, and the signing the treaties. You wanted peace with Dad, God and the whole world.
Dad is gone now, but I cherish his memory he was a better man than I will ever be, and he was right. He taught me to live peacefully and to at least try to be kind to the most needy, a big accomplishment for this once hot-headed kid who still has to an inner beast.


Now, I realize Kurt is no boy, but he has little respect for anyone, and his refusal to clean up matters after the personal damage of nationally demonstrating that he is butthole deluxe is the compelling evidence. You cant reason with him, all that is left if for someone to prove to him that they are better are dealing the pain, that's the world he has built and chosen for himself. It will be sad, because it is starting to look like a real talent will not comprehend before he burns all his bridges and gets the needed whippings.
Kindness toward him doesnt include denial that is mistaken for nurturing, or TLC. He needs to be broken before it is to late, then he can rebuild, and we can honestly respect the personal growth, we all can relate is some small way since none of us are perfect.

In the current state he is going to have a sad post career full of regret and that is awful thing for such a gifted wheel man and a champion.


I will not compare Kyle and Kurt they are two seperate indivduals.
 
ted@economy said:
I guess ,if I understand you right , that you believe Nascar kinda forced Mayfield out on embellished charges . I don't know if that's correct or not , but Mayfield's track record since he's been away from Nascar makes one think that maybe he is not blameless.
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There were some very valid questions that needed to be answered by nascar, but they avoided having to do so by pulling out the 'We are King, you no sue' contract that every team MUST sign in order to compete. Mayfield got a restraining order after his first ban, and was allowed to race. 4 hours after nascar tested and caught Mayfield the second time, he had given blood at another lab and that test came out clean. Also, so experts felt that the levels the nascar test were showing were near fatal and should be ignored.

Then I look at Mayfields life since leaving nascar, and it sure looks like they were right about him.
 
Greg said:
Kindness toward him doesnt include denial that is mistaken for nurturing, or TLC. He needs to be broken before it is to late, then he can rebuild, and we can honestly respect the personal growth, we all can relate is some small way since none of us are perfect.
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IMO, that's it right there. It's easy to smile and be nice when things are going well. Kurt needs more trial and tribulation to truely measure any growth on his part.
 
The actions of the 39 crew member,,could it have been him he almost hit? Or one of his friends when he burned thru their pit? Unless the video comes out we'll never know, will we?
 
SST55 said:
The actions of the 39 crew member,,could it have been him he almost hit? Or one of his friends when he burned thru their pit? Unless the video comes out we'll never know, will we?
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Please dont mess up my posting with facts
 
Until he hits rock bottom, when he can't get a ride even from his brother and he's living in a van down by the river then and only then will he realize he has a problem,,and maybe then he'll accept help.

Went thru this with a family member.
 
HOLD ME BACK! HOLD ME BACK! Oh, wait those are my hands,,,,

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DARLINGTON, S.C. (May 14, 2012) – Following a second-straight year of post-race altercations on pit road between NASCAR Sprint Cup Series drivers and their teams, Darlington Raceway President Chris Browning is considering the idea of constructing a permanent boxing ring behind pit road so drivers have the ability to work out their differences before they leave the track Too Tough to Tame.
The idea developed after Saturday night’s confrontation with crew members from competing teams following the conclusion of the Bojangles’ Southern 500, which was won by Jimmie Johnson.
Darlington Raceway has always fueled high emotions among drivers and teams because of the importance and magnitude of what a win at the historic track means. The stress and tension brings out that unique ‘Southern 500 emotion’ in teams, as perfectly described by Michael Waltrip during the race broadcast on FOX last Saturday.
“After having post-race altercations in back-to-back seasons, we are considering the idea of adding a


boxing ring on the turn 4 side of pit road to accommodate the drivers should they need to settle their differences after the race,” Browning said. “With all the driver controversy that comes out of our exciting events it only makes sense to consider the idea for the 2013 season.”
 
FenderBumper said:
There were some very valid questions that needed to be answered by nascar, but they avoided having to do so by pulling out the 'We are King, you no sue' contract that every team MUST sign in order to compete. Mayfield got a restraining order after his first ban, and was allowed to race. 4 hours after nascar tested and caught Mayfield the second time, he had given blood at another lab and that test came out clean. Also, so experts felt that the levels the nascar test were showing were near fatal and should be ignored.

Then I look at Mayfields life since leaving nascar, and it sure looks like they were right about him.
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Actually, it's not surprising. When people, especially wealthy people, lose everything, they do desperate things.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
not only does Jeremy have to PROVE his innocence, but that he will not be given the opportunity to prove his innocence regarding the drug tests.
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Jeremy had that chance before he even took the test.Before you take any drug test they ask you if you had taken ANY over the counter meds in the last certain period of time.Jeremy evidently didn't list any UNTIL THE TEST CAME BACK SAYING HE FAILED IT.Typical drug user move.They think it works to get them out of being caught but it doesn't.
 
LOL for the Bergren jabs.
But I do respect the man, back in the 70's and 80's the only reliable media I had was MRN, the weekly racing news flyer's sold at the tracks, and Stock Car Racing Magazine.
SCR in my opinion was the best stuff in print during those days. I read and digested every page from the cover to the back including the small print and advertising. Because a racing junkie has to know who the vendors are, Heck someday maybe I would need something built by Sweet Manufactoring, Howe, Port City, Dillion, or Troyer etc. just like the big dogs. I even cut out some ads and made my racing decals for the model car.
Bergren had good articles, editorial ops etc, and they wrote the tech stuff that made me feel like I could build a racer as well.
Tip of the hat to Big Nosed Bergren, he inspired many, if I had his address I would write a letter and tell him thanks.
 
Being reported on SiriusXM NASCAR Radio that Kurt Busch has been fined $50,000 and probation for his actions Saturday night.

Some crewmen fined as well. Ryan Newman's crew chief and some crewmen also fined.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Being reported on SiriusXM NASCAR Radio that Kurt Busch has been fined $50,000 and probation for his actions Saturday night.

Some crewmen fined as well. Ryan Newman's crew chief and some crewmen also fined.
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Interesting wording. We'll have to wait and see if it's some crewman from both teams, or just Newmans. I wonder if nascar looked into Kurts exit from the pit too, or he was fined for the bump on pit road.
 
more from nascom.

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR has fined Kurt Busch, driver of the No. 51 car in the Sprint Cup Series, $50,000 and placed him on NASCAR probation until July 25 for his actions during the May 12 race at Darlington Raceway.
Related: Another Southern 500 melee on pit road
Kurt Busch violated Section 12-1 (Actions detrimental to stock car racing; reckless driving on pit road during the race; involved in an altercation with another competitor after the completion of the race) of the 2012 NASCAR Rule Book. Additionally, Craig Strickler, a crew member for the No. 51 team, has been fined $5,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31 for violating Section 12-1 (Actions detrimental to stock car racing; interfering with a member of the broadcast media).
Tony Gibson, crew chief for the No. 39 Sprint Cup Series team, has been placed on NASCAR probation until June 27 for violating Section 12-1 and Sections 12-4G and 9-4A (Crew chief assumes responsibility for the actions of his team members). Andrew Rueger, a crew member for the No. 39 team, has been fined $5,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until June 27 for violating Section 12-1 (Actions detrimental to stock car racing; failure to comply with a directive from a NASCAR official). Both of these violations occurred post-race.

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I'm confused by the crew and CC probation and fines for Newmans team. Nobody threw a punch. Isn't this exactly what nascar wanted?
 
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