Kyle Busch will NOT race in the Daytona 500

The compound or open fracture is when the bone breaks the skin and becomes exposed. Setting the bone correctly isn't the only problem, infection is. If I heard correctly it's his fibula that's broken which is the smaller bone. The tibula is the main weight carrying bone. In any case he'll be out for a minimum of a couple of months.

btw Saw where Chitwood says NASCAR TAKES FULL RESPONSIBILTY and all exposed walls will be covered with SAFER barriers ASAP.
 
I get the feeling Chitwood may have Chit his pants when that happened.

The one good thing about this is no head injuries, I get the feeling the HANS device did it's job.
 
Whiskyb said:
Was it Daytona were Mark Martin t-boned the pit road wall? If I remember he was only inches behind the drivers seat and lucky to walk away. If my memory is correct Nascar should have put in barriers everywhere back then,
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Michigan I think.
 
Why did so many fans wait to complain about the lack of safer barriers at Daytona until someone got hurt? As righteously indignant as many are I don't understand why there were not calls 5 years ago to add safer barriers.
 
What I didn't understand through the course of Kyles wreck was. His car made a B-line straight at the wall after bouncing off Larsen. He was able to trim his impact speed but looked like he had absolutely no control what so ever over the steering. Hopefully, the physicians won't have to go back into that leg after the original surgery for any complications that could arise after such a devastating injury. God Speed Kyle.
 
Greg said:
Michigan I think.
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Thanks, I remember it was a nasty hit. Safer barriers should be everywhere. Nascar and the tracks are making alot of money and need to do the right thing. If they made the hans device mandatory after a crash why not make safer barriers mandatory
 
Whiskyb said:
Was it Daytona were Mark Martin t-boned the pit road wall? If I remember he was only inches behind the drivers seat and lucky to walk away. If my memory is correct Nascar should have put in barriers everywhere back then,
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In 2012 he did something like that at Michigan but if you mean something else I have no idea.
 
Revman said:
By design. I knew they would be out. Too upset to even entertain the idea of firing back. TRL does great work. I have heard that there were cheers at the Speedway when he wrecked. Whatever.
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Skoalbandit33 said:
Why did so many fans wait to complain about the lack of safer barriers at Daytona until someone got hurt? As righteously indignant as many are I don't understand why there were not calls 5 years ago to add safer barriers.
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Um, probably because like myself we didn't know they were not there or just assumed they were already installed.
 
I hate to put blame on anyone but nascar and the track owners but the drivers could of voiced concern over this as well. The owners group could have also voiced there concerns. Drivers are the ones most effected by this and should be forcing nascar to do the barriers and any other safety issue
 
BobbyFord said:
And they'll continue this silly pack racing when, as a result of it, someone gets killed again.
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With the parity in race cars today , is there really any alternative ? I know years ago , they started makng the fuel cells smaller so he cars would have to pit more often . Perhaps that is still an option, but I suppose the cars slowing down to pit and the cars coming back on track , are safety hazards too . Most of the accidents that I have seen have been caused by the 'bump' drafting more than drafting itself . I know they have tried to limit the amount of ' 'bumping' , but that is very hard to police .
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Why did so many fans wait to complain about the lack of safer barriers at Daytona until someone got hurt? As righteously indignant as many are I don't understand why there were not calls 5 years ago to add safer barriers.
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Fans have been complaining about the lack of SAFER barriers at every track since before Gordon wrecked at Las Vegas & heavily since Hamlin wrecked at Cali. As fans we dont know exactly what walls do & dont have barriers, but we know many do not & thats the problem.
 
Yogisd1 said:
I wonder if the owners and drivers will reconsider racing in the lower classes as often as they do. I know this can happen in any race, and that's why some contracts prohibit drivers from racing in other series. This has got to be the worst beginning to a season in quite a while.
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I look very much forward to seeing Kyle win a NW and truck race as soon as he is able
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Why did so many fans wait to complain about the lack of safer barriers at Daytona until someone got hurt? As righteously indignant as many are I don't understand why there were not calls 5 years ago to add safer barriers.
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This fan had no idea that there were still unsafe walls at Daytona, 400 million dollars worth of repairs should surely have taken care of that problem
 
Whiskyb said:
I hate to put blame on anyone but nascar and the track owners but the drivers could of voiced concern over this as well. The owners group could have also voiced there concerns. Drivers are the ones most effected by this and should be forcing nascar to do the barriers and any other safety issue
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It always takes a tragedy to get anything done, this one might be the one to make the changes .................... I look forward to seeing Kyles wife raising a lot of hell with Nascar, ladies get stuff done when they are pissed
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Fans have been complaining about the lack of SAFER barriers at every track since before Gordon wrecked at Las Vegas & heavily since Hamlin wrecked at Cali. As fans we dont know exactly what walls do & dont have barriers, but we know many do not & thats the problem.
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I bet the fear of God has been put into all track owners now.
 
Kyle18fan said:
This fan had no idea that there were still unsafe walls at Daytona, 400 million dollars worth of repairs should surely have taken care of that problem
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It is never safe to assume. I hope that all those who are upset with the lack of safer barriers will deluge Nascar with correspondence insisting that even the toilet stalls have safer barriers installed at all tracks.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is never safe to assume. I hope that all those who are upset with the lack of safer barriers will deluge Nascar with correspondence insisting that even the toilet stalls have safer barriers installed at all tracks.
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I hope that EVERYBODY is upset, I for one will raise all the hell possible but the drivers are the ones that will be listened to
 
Whiskyb said:
I hate to put blame on anyone but nascar and the track owners but the drivers could of voiced concern over this as well. The owners group could have also voiced there concerns. Drivers are the ones most effected by this and should be forcing nascar to do the barriers and any other safety issue
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Harvick hit the inside wall off of turn 4 real hard last year in the 500 and voiced his opinion on how safety barriers needed to be in place there as well...obviously it didn't matter much because he was able to walk away from it.
 
Looks like restrictor plate "pack racing" is pretty much here to stay since NASCAR appears to be fine with it. The drivers are all boxed in and the only options available are either hold your position and ride or get impatient and risk another "big one" by making something or anything happen. The big ones are now numbered so we know which multi-car wreck is being discussed. Restrictor plate racing is a blood sport and with new reduced horsepower rules we may see even more pack racing this year at other tracks.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I bet the fear of God has been put into all track owners now.
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Why? When you sign your paperwork for a nascar license you limit your ability to go after them even if they're 100% at fault. Fine print on your ticket limits their liability to a certain extent should you as a spectator suffer a injury.
 
BobbyFord said:
This wreck was a direct result of plate track pack racing.
Plate racing sux ass.
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You are correct but nobody is debating what caused the wreck. The controversey is what Kyle wrecked into. Other tracks dont have pack racing & drivers still get injured when hitting concrete walls that need SAFER barriers.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Never assume anything!
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Guess my question is why should I care ? I drop a grand every year when NA$CAR comes to Cali. Its not like NA$CAR and the drivers don't make **** loads of cash! If it wasn't for the fans NA$CAR wouldn't exist. So the bottom line here is its the NA$CARS responsibility to care of the safety of the sport not the fans.
 
Whiskyb said:
I hate to put blame on anyone but nascar and the track owners but the drivers could of voiced concern over this as well. The owners group could have also voiced there concerns. Drivers are the ones most effected by this and should be forcing nascar to do the barriers and any other safety issue
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They literally brought this up just last year:

"The tracks, for the most part, don't listen to really anything unless it's profitable for their shareholders," Harvick said Friday at Phoenix International Raceway. "So when you see somebody spending $400 million dollars on their track and they don't have soft walls around the inside, maybe they could spend $403 million to go ahead and finish the inside of the superspeedway there at Daytona."
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"I know they have data that shows where the most frequently hit spots are, but we wear all this safety equipment and do all the things that we do to these racetracks for that one freak incident to keep things from happening like happened back in 2001 (when Dale Earnhardt was killed in the Daytona 500)," he said. "So it shouldn't even be a debate. It's just one of those things I guess that you just wait around for something else to happen and then they'll fix it."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...uld-have-safer-barriers-on-all-walls/5904493/

One year later, "something else" did happen.

Same thing was brought up in 2013 as well:

DOVER, Del. -- Jeff Gordon doesn't understand why there isn't a SAFER barrier on every wall at every track in NASCAR's top three series.

The four-time Sprint Cup champion called Sunday's crash into a non-protected area on the outside concrete wall going into Turn 1 at Charlotte Motor Speedway "one of the hardest hits I've had in a race car." He blamed that and the pain he's experienced this week on the lack of a SAFER barrier.

"I had a rough week," Gordon said Friday at Dover International Speedway. "I didn't quite understand the pain I was feeling that night until I went back and watched the video and realized the angle I hit and there was no SAFER barrier.

"I had no idea there was no SAFER barrier on [that part of the track]. I was kind of shocked."

After the race, he tweeted about the incident with the hashtag "#Saferbarrierseverywhere!" Gordon, who has dealt with back pain in recent years, has found non-protected areas several times. He hit the inside wall at Las Vegas in 2008 and at Richmond in 2011. He also hit a non-protected wall at Dover during qualifying a couple of years ago.
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http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/9329545/jeff-gordon-renews-call-barriers-everywhere
 
BobbyFord said:
This wreck was a direct result of plate track pack racing.
Plate racing sux ass.
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I don't know if you can use this to directly attack pack racing as dangerous. How many accidents happen because of the pack and how many injuries happen as a result of those accidents? It's such a small ratio. The "Big One" is usually the crash where everyone walks away fine. It's the freak accidents like Dale Earnhardt's (which was similar to incidents at New Hampshire and Texas) that cause the most injuries and fatalities.

Let's not blame pack racing because it gives NASCAR an excuse to get away from what they need to do, install SAFER everywhere that there is an exposed wall. I realize that hating plate and pack racing is a knee jerk reaction but it's not warranted in this case.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I don't know if you can use this to directly attack pack racing as dangerous. How many accidents happen because of the pack and how many injuries happen as a result of those accidents? It's such a small ratio. The "Big One" is usually the crash where everyone walks away fine. It's the freak accidents like Dale Earnhardt's (which was similar to incidents at New Hampshire and Texas) that cause the most injuries and fatalities.

Let's not blame pack racing because it gives NASCAR an excuse to get away from what they need to do, install SAFER everywhere that there is an exposed wall. I realize that hating plate and pack racing is a knee jerk reaction but it's not warranted in this case.
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And , I think that there are more dangerous racks (raw speed entering sharper corners etc). Plate tracks likely have more wrecks .
 
The Nature Boy said:
I don't know if you can use this to directly attack pack racing as dangerous. How many accidents happen because of the pack and how many injuries happen as a result of those accidents? It's such a small ratio. The "Big One" is usually the crash where everyone walks away fine. It's the freak accidents like Dale Earnhardt's (which was similar to incidents at New Hampshire and Texas) that cause the most injuries and fatalities.

Let's not blame pack racing because it gives NASCAR an excuse to get away from what they need to do, install SAFER everywhere that there is an exposed wall. I realize that hating plate and pack racing is a knee jerk reaction but it's not warranted in this case.
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From what I can remember, almost all of the recent serious injuries have occurred on restrictor plate tracks - Earnhardt Jr. 2012, Eric McClure 2012, Michael Annett 2013, and now Kyle Busch 2015. So I wouldn't say he's wrong. Four serious injuries on two tracks versus one on the other twenty-something they run across all three series.
 
Ehhhhh Dale Jr's initial concussion happened at a tire test at Kansas, the Talladega accident only made things worse.

If you look at history, pack racing just isn't that dangerous. A spike in injuries doesn't bear out that it is that dangerous, freak spikes often occur in anything. When I think about dangerous racing conditions, I think about Denny's injury last year, Dale Jr's concussion at California in 2002, Sterling Marlin's neck injury at Kansas later that year, Steve Park's freak accident at Darlington in 2001, Blaise Alexander and Eric Martin's deaths at Charlotte in ARCA in 2001 and 2003 respectively and Elliott Sadler's horrific crash at Pocono a couple of years back that could've been MUCH worse if not for safety improvements at the track.

Racing is dangerous. NASCAR needs to install SAFER everywhere to make it less so. For the amount of major accidents at plate tracks though, there are remarkably few injuries. Let's not take focus away from NASCAR's duty here.
 
Bobw said:
Why? When you sign your paperwork for a nascar license you limit your ability to go after them even if they're 100% at fault. Fine print on your ticket limits their liability to a certain extent should you as a spectator suffer a injury.
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I was thinking of the PR disaster not the legalities.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
What I didn't understand through the course of Kyles wreck was. His car made a B-line straight at the wall after bouncing off Larsen. He was able to trim his impact speed but looked like he had absolutely no control what so ever over the steering. Hopefully, the physicians won't have to go back into that leg after the original surgery for any complications that could arise after such a devastating injury. God Speed Kyle.
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Yeah, hate when I see that. I think it was DW who said he had the wheels turned all the way to the right but it wasn't turning.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I don't know if you can use this to directly attack pack racing as dangerous. How many accidents happen because of the pack and how many injuries happen as a result of those accidents? It's such a small ratio. The "Big One" is usually the crash where everyone walks away fine. It's the freak accidents like Dale Earnhardt's (which was similar to incidents at New Hampshire and Texas) that cause the most injuries and fatalities.

Let's not blame pack racing because it gives NASCAR an excuse to get away from what they need to do, install SAFER everywhere that there is an exposed wall. I realize that hating plate and pack racing is a knee jerk reaction but it's not warranted in this case.
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I'm not debating that safe walls shouldn't be on every wall directly adjacent to the racing surface.
For years, drivers have complained and voiced negative opinions about Daytona and Talladega. Enough so that NASCAR put the quash on drivers commenting negatively on the sport.
Common sense tells me that more cars involved in a single crash increases the opportunity for driver injury.
The luckiest guy on the last lap with the strongest push line behind him generally wins. Up until then you have the pack riding around in the back, trying to stay out of the big one and the front pack usually side-by-side, ten deep with each lane alternating the lead lap after lap. Nobody can pass without a partner. It's a crapshoot. Skill is out the window. Luckiest guy with a decent plate package is gonna win every time.
Dale said it, Tony said it, other drivers have said it; "This ain't racing."
 
Kyle18fan said:
I hope that EVERYBODY is upset, I for one will raise all the hell possible but the drivers are the ones that will be listened to
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I bet Steve O'Donnell and Joie Chitwood were glad Marty Smith didn't ask any questions at the press conference last night after his sermon on ESPN.
 
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