Larson's Run of Dirt Wins....

Revman said:
The thing that is intrigues me about your posts is that you operate within the realm of your own operational definitions. In this sense, you are never wrong, and free from any kind of disagreement. What if "we" meant something other than "influence" or "ownership?" What if "influence" and "ownership" had a broader meaning than your own construct? What if an organizational culture encouraged it supporters to be part of "us?" There are so many more possibilities than the ones you suggest, yet, in your posts, you leave none of that open for discussion. Interesting. I like somebody who feels they have it all figured out, but I wonder if he/she might be missing something by being convinced that they do.

You read way too much into a message board. You don't know the other 99% that exists yet you judge as if you do (you are certainly not alone here--I have some fabulous DM's that I could share with you). I will give you this....Within the framework that is your own philosophical process, you have it figured out. If that leads to contentment, I am happy for you....or, content for you because I don't want to be bound by external forces.

As always, I enjoy reading your posts even if I disagree with some of them.

BTW--I hope WE kick ass this weekend. It would be the external force that would bring immense happiness to my very content household. Enjoy.
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It sounds like what you're saying is "what if we could just assign our own definitions to the words we use" like calling someone you disagree with a "hater" life would be grand. If co-opting what others accomplish makes you and your household happy I am OK with it as it doesn't impact me one iota.

This forum for me is like a big box retailer as it is full of information from opinions, allenbaba, links, tweets, TV ratings and many. many more items. I even found out the Oakridge Boys are singing the National Anthem at Darlington which is good to know so I can make sure I avoid it. IDK what I am reading into this joint but if you feel that is what I am doing I am fine with it as what you or anyone else thinks of me doesn't impact me positively or negatively.

I have joy and contentment every day regardless of my circumstances which is different from happiness regardless of whether you understand it or not.

I believe the race this weekend is from KY and if so it should be a good one as they have made significant improvements to the track. I am sure Bruton will have gone to Rite Aid and bought up a bunch of Aqua Net to spray on the track so the cars will stick to the surface like slot cars. If Goodyear provides a tire that holds air then Bob's your uncle.
 
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ChexOrWrex said:
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Ain't that the truth. If Larson gets some groupies that start combining his weeknight wins with his cup wins this topic might get some traction but as of right now it was just a reach by Rev to try and compare apples and oranges.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It sounds like what you're saying is "what if we could just assign our own definitions to the words we use" like calling someone you disagree with a "hater" life would be grand.
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Isn't this what you tend to post?

With regard to apples and oranges....your opinion is as skewed as mine.

With regard to the brick wall. I took it the other way around. LOL.

Enjoy the races this weekend! I can't wait! Hoping that MY TRD powered Toyota carries YOUR 2015 Champion to Victory--not once, not twice, but three times! It would bring me much contentment---and a ****load of happiness!!!
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Ain't that the truth. If Larson gets some groupies that start combining his weeknight wins with his cup wins this topic might get some traction but as of right now it was just a reach by Rev to try and compare apples and oranges.
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Oh that Rev! Pain in the ass. :D
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Ain't that the truth. If Larson gets some groupies that start combining his weeknight wins with his cup wins this topic might get some traction but as of right now it was just a reach by Rev to try and compare apples and oranges.
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The difference is Kyle Busch's wins are in NASCAR events so they count. No one counts Kyle's dirt and late model wins when combining his NASCAR wins. Kyle Larson is a guy that could very easily have Kyle Busch kind of stats in lower series which should be counted as NASCAR wins.
 
I like a good debate as much as anyone, but to be good, it needs logic that explains certain indisputable facts. Without that, it's just random noise and pretentious put downs ("If I have to explain it to you, then you wouldn't understand, blah, blah, blah").

Apparently many believe drivers branching out beyond their main race series is a good thing EXCEPT when it's Cuppers in Xfinity or Trucks. No one has offered persuasive rationale for this sole exception to the general rule. @DUN24 at least tried, back on page 1, but didn't have much ammo IMO. Then several people offered that Xfinity and Trucks are unique because teams that show up with poorly prepared race cars should be permitted to win despite that. C'mon man, that has no logic. We complain constantly that Nascar has had too many changes in the last 20 years, and then we propose that Nascar should wipe out laws of competitive balance that have governed all motor racing since internal combustion engines were invented. That's lame IMO.

I was in Hagerstown on Wednesday night. Had a great time, and so did my son (age 23) attending his first race in a dozen years. I can attest that Larson and Kahne both made the feature, and that meant two others didn't. No paycheck. No exposure for their sponsors. No points toward the Pennsylvania Speedweeks championship. If you think that's not a BFD to them... think again. It is a big deal. Why is this OK but it's not OK for an Xfinity team to lose some points to Kyle Busch?

I don't like Kyle Busch, and that is putting it mildly. But I am opposed to restrictions on when and where guys can race. And those who favor such restrictions for Xfinity but not elsewhere need to come up with better reasons why. Because it smells like hypocrisy to me.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I like a good debate as much as anyone, but to be good, it needs logic that explains certain indisputable facts. Without that, it's just random noise and pretentious put downs ("If I have to explain it to you, then you wouldn't understand, blah, blah, blah").

Apparently many believe drivers branching out beyond their main race series is a good thing EXCEPT when it's Cuppers in Xfinity or Trucks. No one has offered persuasive rationale for this sole exception to the general rule. @DUN24 at least tried, back on page 1, but didn't have much ammo IMO. Then several people offered that Xfinity and Trucks are unique because teams that show up with poorly prepared race cars should be permitted to win despite that. C'mon man, that has no logic. We complain constantly that Nascar has had too many changes in the last 20 years, and then we propose that Nascar should wipe out laws of competitive balance that have governed all motor racing since internal combustion engines were invented. That's lame IMO.

I was in Hagerstown on Wednesday night. Had a great time, and so did my son (age 23) attending his first race in a dozen years. I can attest that Larson and Kahne both made the feature, and that meant two others didn't. No paycheck. No exposure for their sponsors. No points toward the Pennsylvania Speedweeks championship. If you think that's not a BFD to them... think again. It is a big deal. Why is this OK but it's not OK for an Xfinity team to lose some points to Kyle Busch?

I don't like Kyle Busch, and that is putting it mildly. But I am opposed to restrictions on when and where guys can race. And those who favor such restrictions for Xfinity but not elsewhere need to come up with better reasons why. Because it smells like hypocrisy to me.
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Racing in the feeder series of NASCAR as a reigning Cup champ, after winning 40 races, after 15 some-odd years is tasteless and obsurd. Imagine Lewis Hamilton's self-absorbed ass racing in F2 and F3. Racing in the snowball derby as the champ is cool, racing in homestead on Friday as the champ is lame. The World of Outlaws is not a feeder series. PA speedweek is not a cup series warm-up. Going home to race sprint cars and midgets for ****s and gigs is not the same as creating the same boring and predictable result you see most Saturday's. Pew pew pew pew :dual9mm: :D
 
Simple Fan said:
The difference is Kyle Busch's wins are in NASCAR events so they count. No one counts Kyle's dirt and late model wins when combining his NASCAR wins. Kyle Larson is a guy that could very easily have Kyle Busch kind of stats in lower series which should be counted as NASCAR wins.
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The thing is, if/when Kyle gets to 200 Nascar wins, they will be people out there trying to compare it to Richard's 200 wins, and when he gets that 201st when people will be like "OH MY GOD HE BEAT PETTY'S RECORD! HE'S THE BEST!" which will get annoying really REALLY fast.
 
Revman said:
Oh that Rev! Pain in the ass. :D
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It is all good with you, Rev, for many reasons not the least being you are always consistent. Whether we agree or not is not the point as you are an unabashed fan of TRD/Toyota, Kyle and make no bones about it. Also you don't try and pass yourself off as an authority on everything, are able to communicate clearly, are not a dreaded hall monitor/mini mod, don't hide behind anyone's skirt and it is appreciated.

Simple Fan said:
The difference is Kyle Busch's wins are in NASCAR events so they count. No one counts Kyle's dirt and late model wins when combining his NASCAR wins. Kyle Larson is a guy that could very easily have Kyle Busch kind of stats in lower series which should be counted as NASCAR wins.
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A lot of us have been through several debates about homogenizing all Kyle's wins so I won't start the subject up again. What I will say is that Kyle has some dedicated fans that feel all his Nascar wins hold equal weight and should be added together but most entities, including Nascar, and most people see a clear delineation between trucks, X and cup.

LewTheShoe said:
I like a good debate as much as anyone, but to be good, it needs logic that explains certain indisputable facts. Without that, it's just random noise and pretentious put downs ("If I have to explain it to you, then you wouldn't understand, blah, blah, blah").

Apparently many believe drivers branching out beyond their main race series is a good thing EXCEPT when it's Cuppers in Xfinity or Trucks. No one has offered persuasive rationale for this sole exception to the general rule. @DUN24 at least tried, back on page 1, but didn't have much ammo IMO. Then several people offered that Xfinity and Trucks are unique because teams that show up with poorly prepared race cars should be permitted to win despite that. C'mon man, that has no logic. We complain constantly that Nascar has had too many changes in the last 20 years, and then we propose that Nascar should wipe out laws of competitive balance that have governed all motor racing since internal combustion engines were invented. That's lame IMO.

I was in Hagerstown on Wednesday night. Had a great time, and so did my son (age 23) attending his first race in a dozen years. I can attest that Larson and Kahne both made the feature, and that meant two others didn't. No paycheck. No exposure for their sponsors. No points toward the Pennsylvania Speedweeks championship. If you think that's not a BFD to them... think again. It is a big deal. Why is this OK but it's not OK for an Xfinity team to lose some points to Kyle Busch?

I don't like Kyle Busch, and that is putting it mildly. But I am opposed to restrictions on when and where guys can race. And those who favor such restrictions for Xfinity but not elsewhere need to come up with better reasons why. Because it smells like hypocrisy to me.
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Lew, please don't forget to clarify your post from Wednesday where you said "LMAO at Skoalbandit, who is so intent on smearing Stenhouse that he compares him to Martin Truex... the guy that's shown Nascar how it's done for three years consecutively driving Chevrolets and Toyotas. LOL."

I like a good debate as much as anyone, but to be good, it needs logic that explains certain indisputable facts. If you would please produce the quote where I allegedly smeared Stenhouse by comparing him to Truex I would be much obliged.
 
Blaze88 said:
The thing is, if/when Kyle gets to 200 Nascar wins, they will be people out there trying to compare it to Richard's 200 wins, and when he gets that 201st when people will be like "OH MY GOD HE BEAT PETTY'S RECORD! HE'S THE BEST!" which will get annoying really REALLY fast.
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As they should. Its a NASCAR win on a national touring series. It might get annoying but some people get annoyed easily.
 
Simple Fan said:
As they should. Its a NASCAR win on a national touring series. It might get annoying but some people get annoyed easily.
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Well if we're going to do that Kyle has to get 202 wins to pass him. But no that's dumb. I don't care how you try to spin it, but comparing wins across THREE series isn't the same as wins in ONE series.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
A lot of us have been through several debates about homogenizing all Kyle's wins so I won't start the subject up again. What I will say is that Kyle has some dedicated fans that feel all his Nascar wins hold equal weight and should be added together but most entities, including Nascar, and most people see a clear delineation between trucks, X and cup.
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I know the difference in Cup, Xfinity, and Trucks. I also know all three are NASCAR national touring series and if Petty can count weekday short track wins against inferior competition then so do Xfinity in Trucks in todays time.
 
Blaze88 said:
Well if we're going to do that Kyle has to get 202 wins to pass him. But no that's dumb. I don't care how you try to spin it, but comparing wins across THREE series isn't the same as wins in ONE series.
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Im not claiming it is but they are all NASCAR wins.
 
Blaze88 said:
Yet you just said it should be compared to Richard.....it's nowhere near impressive so shouldn't be compared.
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Impressive? I asked you in another thread what you tjought was unimpressive and you never answered. Still by your standards it seems most of Petty's win should be considered less impressive. As a race fan any time cars are racing I find it impressive.
 
Simple Fan said:
Impressive? I asked you in another thread what you tjought was unimpressive and you never answered. Still by your standards it seems most of Petty's win should be considered less impressive. As a race fan any time cars are racing I find it impressive.
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Because beating people in a lower series than you isn't all that impressive? Would you say Ron Hornaday is a better champion than Kyle Busch? Ron has 4 Truck Championships, Kyle has 1 Cup and 1 Nationwide. 4 is better than 2. Is Jr and Busch equal to you as far as Championships go.
 
Blaze88 said:
Because beating people in a lower series than you isn't all that impressive? Would you say Ron Hornaday is a better champion than Kyle Busch? Ron has 4 Truck Championships, Kyle has 1 Cup and 1 Nationwide. 4 is better than 2. Is Jr and Busch equal to you as far as Championships go.
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If Hornaday had 7 Truck championships thats comparable to the King. I don't think that these lower series are any less impressive than some of Petty's wins and most are probably against better competition than Petty had. Of course I dont find to much racing unimpressive anyway and dont understand what you find unimpressive about it.
 
Simple Fan said:
If Hornaday had 7 Truck championships thats comparable to the King. I don't think that these lower series are any less impressive than some of Petty's wins and most are probably against better competition than Petty had. Of course I dont find to much racing unimpressive anyway and dont understand what you find unimpressive about it.
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Answer my question. Hornaday has more nascar championships than Kyle. So is he better?
 
Blaze88 said:
Answer my question. Hornaday has more nascar championships than Kyle. So is he better?
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He's better in the trucks yeah. Now Kyle will pass him for wins eventually and doesn't have the opportunity to win a Truck championship as a driver so you cant really just go by championships and with todays NASCAR wins are going to be comparable.
 
Simple Fan said:
He's better in the trucks yeah. Now Kyle will pass him for wins eventually and doesn't have the opportunity to win a Truck championship as a driver so you cant really just go by championships and with todays NASCAR wins are going to be comparable.
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He's better overall sorry. Championship > Wins. Kyle can still get 2 more Cup titles and tie Hornaday with NASCAR Championships. Until then Ron > Kyle.
 
Blaze88 said:
He's better overall sorry. Championship > Wins. Kyle can still get 2 more Cup titles and tie Hornaday with NASCAR Championships. Until then Ron > Kyle.
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I just dont understand your logic. So Kyle beating someone you consider to be better than him is less impressive than Richard Petty beating Average Joe at a short track on a Wednesday?
 
Simple Fan said:
I just dont understand your logic. So Kyle beating someone you consider to be better than him is less impressive than Richard Petty beating Average Joe at a short track on a Wednesday?
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My logic here is you're saying 200 wins across all 3 is the same as 200 in one as it's NASCAR wins. So NASCAR Championships = the same thing.


I mean you yourself have said its less impressive when Xfinaty Drivers win without a cup guy there. But a Cup guy beating an Xfinaty guy is impressive? How's that logic make sense?
 
Blaze88 said:
My logic here is you're saying 200 wins across all 3 is the same as 200 in one as it's NASCAR wins. So NASCAR Championships = the same thing.


I mean you yourself have said its less impressive when Xfinaty Drivers win without a cup guy there. But a Cup guy beating an Xfinaty guy is impressive? How's that logic make sense?
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Its still NASCAR though. Same as Richard Petty racing against nobodies during the week.
 
Simple Fan said:
Yeah its still NASCAR but would you rather beat a Cup driver or a regular?
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So your logic.


Kyle beating Xfinaty guys is amazing.

Xfinaty guys beating Xfinaty guys meh.

Gotcha. I'm done with this now as you won't ever see anything other than what you want to see.
 
Blaze88 said:
So your logic.


Kyle beating Xfinaty guys is amazing.

Xfinaty guys beating Xfinaty guys meh.

Gotcha. I'm done with this now as you won't ever see anything other than what you want to see.
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No you just dont understand and are the same way you say I am.

I dont think its amazing when Kyle wins in Trucks and Xfinity as he should but he should also have that right to race those events as he's a racecar driver.

In Petty's heyday they ran almost 50 races a season and not everyone entered every race. If a driver is trying to achieve 200 wins they are going to have to compete in lower series.
 
Dislikers are the only ones who worry about total wins. Who gives a ****? I just like to watch Kyle wheel it. He likes to win. All good.
 
Blaze88 said:
But he has more Nascar Championships. If we can compare wins in lower series to wins in just Cup, we can with championships as well.
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Who is comparing wins in the lower series to Cup wins?
 
Revman said:
Who is comparing wins in the lower series to Cup wins?
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Anyone who always touts Kyle's total wins? People who use it to say he's better than so and so? The day Kyle gets his 201st NASCAR win, they will be Kyle fans calling him the new King.
 
Blaze88 said:
Anyone who always touts Kyle's total wins? People who use it to say he's better than so and so? The day Kyle gets his 201st NASCAR win, they will be Kyle fans calling him the new King.
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Can't speak for others, but not me. First, comparing drivers from different eras is stupid IMO. Second, because this sport involves a machine, it is categorically dumb to try to compare wins/success. Historically, if you got an advantage mechanically, good for you. Now, you are cheating, and it is taken away. Two dramatically different ways of looking at things.

Kyle has won a lot of races over the three series. I think that is cool. The King won a lot of races at a time when the sport was dramatically different, and the competition was not nearly as close. Apples to oranges. My bottom line....Kyle's wins are indicative of a very successful driver. They stand alone, and I have loved every damn one of them when he was in a Toyota.
 
Revman said:
Can't speak for others, but not me. First, comparing drivers from different eras is stupid IMO. Second, because this sport involves a machine, it is categorically dumb to try to compare wins/success. Historically, if you got an advantage mechanically, good for you. Now, you are cheating, and it is taken away. Two dramatically different ways of looking at things.

Kyle has won a lot of races over the three series. I think that is cool. The King won a lot of races at a time when the sport was dramatically different, and the competition was not nearly as close. Apples to oranges. My bottom line....Kyle's wins are indicative of a very successful driver. They stand alone, and I have loved every damn one of them when he was in a Toyota.
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Well I'm glad you see it that way, some here don't and think it would be comparable. Which is sad as it is hard to compare. I'm not a Kyle fan but what he does in a car is impressive, but I'm far far more impressed when he wins a Cup race. Not so much when he(or any driver for that matter) steps down a series or two or MORE(like going down to the K&N Series) and wins. Maybe if they didn't race for a Cup team and won, I be a bit more impressed. Like I said, Kyle is great but beating up on kids doesn't prove that.
 
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