Las Vegas Grand Prix (2023)

[donthaveanickname]

315,000 weekend attendance?

 

[FLRacingFan]

This track has zero grip. Looked like driving on ice.

 

[HoneyBadger]

315,000 weekend attendance?

They must be counting all the people they kicked out.

 

[HoneyBadger]

This is a ****show.

 

[Speedbowl14]

Big hit

 

[Naitch]

I don’t want to hear any F1 fans bitch about NASCAR again

 

[DewChaser988]

There is no grip on this track at all. This is turning into the ****show I predicted

 

[Naitch]

“Safety cars make safety cars” also known as “cautions breed cautions.”

 

[HoneyBadger]

F1 really gonna let that start stand?

 

[donthaveanickname]

Alonso was a bit overly optimistic into turn one.

 

[Naitch]

F1 would do well to implement pass through penalties.

 

[gnomesayin]

Crofty is on point. If you're going to penalize that, you have Verstappen surrender the spot back. The five seconds is not significant enough.

Nobody could ever accuse F1 officials of being competent at playing up "the show" though. They had every chance to save the battle for the win and make it interesting, and refused.

 

[HoneyBadger]

These commentators are ripping into the stewards for that.

 

[Naitch]

I do appreciate the announcers calling out the Verstappen penalty, you don’t often see that on NASCAR coverage.

 

[Speedbowl14]

Decent so far

 

[HoneyBadger]

I do appreciate the announcers calling out the Verstappen penalty, you don’t often see that on NASCAR coverage.

Honestly, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty were the only ones in a long time who would call NASCAR out that bluntly.

 

[FLRacingFan]

The 5-second penalty is the only penalty allowed in the regulations I guess. I think I may have seen something other than that once in the last few seasons. Gutless.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah that restart was BS too.

 

[gnomesayin]

I do appreciate the announcers calling out the Verstappen penalty, you don’t often see that on NASCAR coverage.

NASCAR's TV partners view themselves as so invested that the talent is coached to essentially operate as PR reps. The British approach to this stuff is a lot different. They sell the pageantry of it all, but keep arm's length from the sanctioning body.

 

[Speedbowl14]

Verstappen not looking so hot

 

[HoneyBadger]

The 5-second penalty is the only penalty allowed in the regulations I guess. I think I may have seen something other than that once in the last few seasons. Gutless.

Penalty might still hurt.

Verstappen only pulled out to that lead because of restart shenanigans.

 

[Naitch]

The 5-second penalty is the only penalty allowed in the regulations I guess. I think I may have seen something other than that once in the last few seasons. Gutless.

I know it’s sacrilege for F1 to adopt anything from NASCAR but this would be solved by making Verstappen do a pass through penalty.

 

[Greg]

I overslept and I am rinning -23 minutes on the DVR.

 

[Naitch]

Leclerc might catch Verstappen on speed here.

 

[FLRacingFan]

Penalty might still hurt.

Verstappen only pulled out to that lead because of restart shenanigans.

Very true. Ferrari have had great speed all weekend. Probably their best performance through qualifying all season I’d say.

 

[HoneyBadger]

NASCAR's TV partners view themselves as so invested that the talent is coached to essentially operate as PR reps. The British approach to this stuff is a lot different. They sell the pageantry of it all, but keep arm's length from the sanctioning body.

NASCAR’s TV partners have talent who have financial interests on the track.

 

[Naitch]

Say what you will about the race but this coverage is better than what we get from FOX and NBC. We’re getting shots of battles throughout the field. If this were produced by NASCAR folks, we’d have a close shot of Verstappen right now.

 

[DewChaser988]

Racing is actually good when the tires get temperature

 

[DewChaser988]

Say what you will about the race but this coverage is better than what we get from FOX and NBC. We’re getting shots of battles throughout the field. If this were produced by NASCAR folks, we’d have a close shot of Verstappen right now.

Which is precisely why NASCAR needs to take their TV production in house for 2025

 

[HoneyBadger]

WOW!

 

[HoneyBadger]

Which is precisely why NASCAR needs to take their TV production in house for 2025

The truck broadcasts the last half of the season are what you’d get.

 

[DewChaser988]

The presentation and prpmotion of this all weekend is something NASCAR needs to learn from

 

[FLRacingFan]

Nightmare weekend for McLaren.

 

[donthaveanickname]

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No. Stone. Unturned.

It's nice to see Max being so outspoken.

1 I was joking get your panties out of a knot. 2 ovals are just as if not more technical than a road course. Multiple lines, actual traffic, constant g forces. I watch plenty beyond NASCAR I've tried multiple times to like F1 there is nothing entertaining about an engineering competition to me.

During the peak of my NASCAR fandom I always defended the "they're just driving in circles" notion. Then came the 550 package.

Earlier we were talking about the TV camera angles. This is more like what I was expecting from Vegas:

If it wasn't for that shot I couldn't tell the race is in Vegas. Just looks like a generic street course.

 

[FLRacingFan]

So the penalty also allowed Russell to pass Max through the pit cycle, and he looked quick too. Won’t be too easy to catch and pass.

 

[donthaveanickname]

F1 would do well to implement pass through penalties.

Only did away with them like 5 years ago. The 5 second penalty is OK for what Max did but spinning someone out should lead to a Drive-through.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Don’t like how you can’t see the fans in the stands.

 

[Naitch]

We’ve settled into a pretty good race here. Some interesting strategy calls.

 

[FLRacingFan]

Not Max’s finest hour here tonight.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Not Max’s finest hour here tonight.

It’s not like he’s happy to be here anyway.