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My reference was to the pit ROAD ... not the stalls. Standard operating procedure everywhere, your rant notwithstanding.
I agree, you're over-reacting.
Manipulating races w/ BS cautions
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I agree, you're over-reacting.
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How many were there yesterday?
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Did the tire even make it out of the pit stall? If not, there's one.
Dirt on the track near the bus stop?
When they spun and continued driving three seconds later, no damage to any cars?
Every race there's a few of them. Let the races play out naturally, that's all I ask.
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I think I saw the tire rolling down through the pit boxes and crew men walking around with blowers and stuff, in the pit boxes. They just ignored the tire.
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^^^ The tire was out on the travelled portion of pit road. Caution.
Dirt should be ignored. There were lots of rocks, any one of which could cut a tire. Caution.
The spinners? Absolutely ridiculous ... no need to slow the race whatsoever. A hair trigger response.
Dirt should be ignored. There were lots of rocks, any one of which could cut a tire. Caution.
The spinners? Absolutely ridiculous ... no need to slow the race whatsoever. A hair trigger response.
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Skoalbandit33
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If you are asking me my answer would be to follow common sense in the case of a wheel rolling down pit road. Is it reasonable to expect a car to come barreling down pit road at 80 mph when the speed limit is probably 35? What are the chances someone will become hurt, disabled or worse?
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The speed limit at WG is 45 mph.
With the rule in place the chances of that are 0%.
With the rule in place the chances of that are 0%.
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If you don't think there should be a caution for dirt in the bus stop just watch the replay of the xfinity race to see how well that went. 1st car plows splitter through grass and sprays dirt all over the track, 2nd car spins in said dirt and kicks more onto track; rinse, repeat, crash.
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Exactly, and like you or someone else said earlier..... Take away that rule and something happens we blame NASCAR again for not being proactive.
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Without that rule in place the chances are .0001% so it is more than an acceptable risk. Nascar is getting to the point where we should put pink skirts on the crew members and drivers. If I told you you could go to Las Vegas and play any game you wished to and you only had a .0001 chance of losing would you take that bet?
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If Nascar is so concerned with safety why do they hold 4 races at plate tracks each year where mayhem normally ensues? For some reason chasing a tire down pit road is like entering a Lion's den but barrell rolling down the straightaway, crashing into the fence or the wall is OK. Does that make sense?
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What methodology did you use to arrive at that number?
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Common sense!
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Hyperbole.
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Do you think the chances of a fan, team member or driver getting hurt is greater chasing a wheel down at WG or in the big wrecks that are normally part of action seen at plate races? If safety is truly a concern of Nascar and some of the fans should something not be done about those races especially in light of what we are learning about concussions? Nascar talks out of both sides of their mouth and even da little guy from Chawinnigan only spoke out of one!
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I don't think a local caution on a road course would work with NASCAR drivers because if they slow down the next car in line will run them over, they have a hard enough time slowing down on pit road.
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Skoalbandit33
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I am asking your opinion of the situation. Do you feel it is hypocritical of Nascar and some of the fans to be all wadded up about potential safety issues yet sit and watch the 4 sanctioned crash fests each year without saying so much as a word? It is a legitimate question and one that deserves an answer.
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I already stated my opinion on the thread topic. I don't have a problem with the caution. You do. It's okay that we disagree.
I gave you some contact info so that maybe you can get the answer you're looking for.
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I have no problem with your stance on the tire caution as you consider it necessary for safety reasons. What I am asking your opinion on is how you feel about the 4 plates races. Often times there are multiple wrecks and it looks to me that many of those occur either due to the plate or the type of track or both. IMO plate races represent danger as fans have been injured at plate tracks and cars have become airborne and in some cases even landed on other cars.
IMO Nascar is being disingenuous by touting safety as a primary concern yet racing at plate tracks. Maybe you don't see plate tracks as being dangerous or maybe you do. It makes sense to me that if a tire rolling down pit road was a potential hazard then racing at plate tracks should be considered the same. I am just asking your opinion on this.
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^ needs a bigger hammer ...
ted@economy
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Aah the old disgruntled driver quote . Like none of them have ever said anything stupid before .
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IDK what I need as the question I am asking is easier than falling in love but no one will take a crack at it. Nascar has made several moves to improve safety from building a safer car, implementing pit road speeds, no racing back to the strip plus the addition of safer barriers. Nascar will even halt a race for an errant water bottle or tire rolling down pit road at WG but the elephant in the room seems to be the 4 plate races. To me it is highly inconsistent to support the safety initiatives the series has but turn a blind eye to what takes place at plate tracks. Maybe others see it different but everyone has turned into a mute swan.
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Do you have an opinion concerning the quotes non disgruntled drivers BKez and Jr made about bogus cautions? I can re-post them if you would like but I don't think you would care to read them.
ted@economy
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No , I know for sure they are human . They say stuff in the heat of the moment . I take that with a grain of salt . As a fan of Nascar I quite enjoy the racing and like DP , I am always thankful for a safe race where no drivers or fans have been injured.
ted@economy
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Not sure why Skoal , but you seem to believe that entering a banked corner at 200mph in plate races is inherently more dangerous than entering a flat corner at 180mph . I've been around long enough to see drivers killed at most every type of race track , including road courses .
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I just figured that since safety is an important issue to Nascar and some fans they would be concerned about driver and fan safety at the tracks that produce the most high speed wrecks. I sure misread the situation as apparently it is an acceptable risk to put drivers in events that are designed for mayhem but things like hot dog wrappers and water bottles are not. Who'd a thunk it?
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Both BKez and Dale Jr were not under duress when they answered the caution clock question. It is funny as on one hand people say no one knows what happens on track better than the drivers.....well....that is until one of them says something we disagree with. Funny how that works but as we have seen people can support one thing for most days but then periodically forget it. One of those mysteries if life I suppose.
Skoal is right (as usual). Anyone who thinks we need a caution for a balloon or a tire on pit road should support the immediate removal of the four races at Daytona and Talladega. Even if Brian France doesn't know it, this:
...is a bit more dangerous than dirt in the Bus Stop. Some of you do support flattening the banks at Daytona, and I'll give you credit for consistency. Others ought to reevaluate your seeming hypocrisy.
...is a bit more dangerous than dirt in the Bus Stop. Some of you do support flattening the banks at Daytona, and I'll give you credit for consistency. Others ought to reevaluate your seeming hypocrisy.
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The thread topic is whether or not the cautions thrown yesterday were bogus, Skoal's tiresome drone notwithstanding.
I understand that no topic is impervious to your own droning, groaning rants.
I understand that no topic is impervious to your own droning, groaning rants.
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Skoalbandit33
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Like they say a picture is worth a thousand words and it does seem hypocritical that some folks would get wadded up over a tire on pit road but ignore the awaiting disaster at plate tracks. No one can answer why they feel a tire on pit road is dangerous but a car in the fence at a plate track is peachy. When a person paints themselves in a corner it is bound to happen.
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Skoalbandit33
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Plate tracks are an acceptable safety risk but water bottles, hot dog wrappers and a tire rolling down pit road require race stoppages. Why is that?
I've been reading this and am really getting tired of being told that I'm a fool and having my sanity questioned because
I'm a fan.
I don't give a rat's ass why a yellow is thrown --- I'd rather have a yellow thrown because one of the officials is fearful of
something on the track, or in the pit, that could be dangerous, than have a car hit it and cause mayhem.
To those of you who don't like the sport, please keep your condescension and superior intellect to yourself --- leave us in
our little dream world so we can enjoy our chosen sport.
And, yes, I am fully aware that at times the sport is manipulated --- but what professional sport isn't? You may not see it,
but you can bet your bottom dollar there is some manipulation somewhere. Maybe in the front office with salary caps, etc., but
it is there.
I'm a fan.
I don't give a rat's ass why a yellow is thrown --- I'd rather have a yellow thrown because one of the officials is fearful of
something on the track, or in the pit, that could be dangerous, than have a car hit it and cause mayhem.
To those of you who don't like the sport, please keep your condescension and superior intellect to yourself --- leave us in
our little dream world so we can enjoy our chosen sport.
And, yes, I am fully aware that at times the sport is manipulated --- but what professional sport isn't? You may not see it,
but you can bet your bottom dollar there is some manipulation somewhere. Maybe in the front office with salary caps, etc., but
it is there.
ted@economy
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Like I've said before , I have seen debris bounce off different cars and wind up embedded in the grill of another car . When the safety workers went out on track to pick it up , it was already in the pits . Imaginary in some peoples minds , but not in the mind of the driver who had a piece of steel in his rad or his windshield . But that's just me . Racing is inherently dangerous especially when tracks were built for 80mph speeds and are now seeing speeds double that . Nascar does what it can to keep the drivers , crews and fans as safe as possible . I have no beef with that .
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I hope none of your remarks were directed at me as all I have been asking is if a tire rolling down pit road at WG is dangerous isn't an entire plate race. I feel the question is fair as it contrasting one happening in Nascar with another.
You don't give a rat's ass why a yellow is thrown which is fine but some people feel differently and we should all have a voice. I have no problem leaving you or anyone else in whatever dream world is comfortable but surely the tent is big enough for those in different worlds too.
A "B.S. Caution" is far worse than front office manipulation. It's like giving points to the opposing team if they are too far behind. I don't think you will find that level of manipulation in any of the major sports in the U.S. Where it has happened, it has led to big problems for that team (e.g. the Black Sox, Pete Rose).
ted@economy
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Don't they argue ball and strike calls in baseball anymore ? Is that why all those people are over here ?
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Skoalbandit33
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I think Nascar is over zealous when it comes to safety at most tracks but that is just my opinion. However I really think they drop the ball at the 4 plate races and need to increase safety at those tracks and I feel they have done nothing to stop the events commonly called "the big one" and to me that is a problem. I am really surprised it is a non starter with most others.
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If giving the worst team the first pick in the next draft and giving each team the ability to spend the same dough on players is manipulation then most leagues are guilty. To me that is a far cry from altering the events in a given contest (race)