paul
Team Owner
Here we go...
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
No paul I am aware there are alot of americans that are true nascar fans, but dont sit here and tell me that every single person that goes to a race is one.
paul
Team Owner
I'll be the very first here to tell you that. Ask anyone here.
Couldn't you just have come here and called us all rednecks as opposed to taking the long way there through the World Trade Center?
Couldn't you just have come here and called us all rednecks as opposed to taking the long way there through the World Trade Center?
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abooja
Guest
I've been doing laundry...
I didn't say you came here to make fun of "drunk redneck nascar fans" (thank you, Paul). I said you came here to push your anti-American agenda on us thinking, perhaps, that, as race car fans, and Americans, we'd naturally be too stupid to defend ourselves. Why else make this thread your introduction to our friendly community?
Now you're trying to change the subject and talk racing? No thanks.
I didn't say you came here to make fun of "drunk redneck nascar fans" (thank you, Paul). I said you came here to push your anti-American agenda on us thinking, perhaps, that, as race car fans, and Americans, we'd naturally be too stupid to defend ourselves. Why else make this thread your introduction to our friendly community?
Now you're trying to change the subject and talk racing? No thanks.
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
Reread what I posted junior........I said "next to no fan". I'm sure their people who go who are not really fans.........just very few. You said "some"........implying a number that would have some signifance. That is a crock. How many NASCAR races you been to? And where? And lets not get in wrecks during a race.......it's auto racing and strangely as it may seem wrecks happen. But I don't know any fan who goes to a race for the wrecks!! Those fans watch in on tv so they can see the replays.
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abooja
Guest
BTW, you shouldn't go around making up lies such as the 1,600-Canadians-killed-by-a-bomb whopper, and expect us ugly Americans to still respect you.
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
Paul you seem like a nice guy, I am not here to bash americans I was just wondering what your opinions were on the media coverage of the 9/11 incidents. Then abooja acused me of coming here to pick on americans. I was defending myself.
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
I'm not ugly abooja.
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abooja
Guest
Sorry, DE. I was being sardonic. This person is making me furious.
paul
Team Owner
You can bash Americans if you so desire, I would just prefer that you admitted it.
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
abooja you seem like a prejudgemental person, where have I made any personal atacks or any attacks at any americans here?
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
With your initial post junior you choose a topic that is rather sore with us Americans.......then you throw out all this crap about how insensitive and selfish we are with your "facts".........we are dedending ourselves. You ever read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Carnigie? You should.
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abooja
Guest
Dearheart, your very first post was judgmental. If you're saying you can't see that, you're either nuts or a liar.
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
Originally posted by abooja
Sorry, DE. I was being sardonic. This person is making me furious.
I know.......I was trying to be funny......lighten up the conversation a little. But guess junior dosen't want it that way.
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
I dont know any of you people I have no desire to win your respect, or for you to like me. I was talking about media or corporations never any indepentant people. Think what you want to about me, it changes nothing.
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abooja
Guest
I don't think he realized a few ex TR politicos reside here...
paul
Team Owner
Perhaps their Presses aren't truly Free...
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abooja
Guest
So, by ignoring my repeated requests to prove this, you're basically admitting that you lied. I'm sure you realize this, no?
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
From what you people are saying, you stand for what the american media stands for. you defend it as though I attacked you personalliy, nevermind I am not gonna waste my time here I can already see you treat people from other countrys here as outsiders.
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
TR people are here oh nascar bashers lol, I guess I should have figuered.
paul
Team Owner
That's not true at all. You're welcome to post here.
What threw us for a loop was the comparisons of death tolls, somehow trying to invalidate what happened here.
What threw us for a loop was the comparisons of death tolls, somehow trying to invalidate what happened here.
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
Okay, so you didn't personally bash or attack anyone here.......but you did come here and bash our government, our new media and our way of life. Mr Canandian........we take that sort of personal, especially right now. You knew what you were doing........you baited us. So I wonder why you even joined this board.
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abooja
Guest
Waiting for your graceful exit...
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
Boy, that was short and sweet!!
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Shiloh
Guest
We are.....
Still waiting on this one.......
Should we really care about anyone else?
That was a big F%$&*#! helicopter......
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What would have CNN been talking about back in 1775?
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
Mr.canadian??? lol I am from the uk.
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pbunch
Guest
The only thing getting to much air time is this thread
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Shiloh
Guest
JJ1, what's really taxing you?
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
You sure seem upset about the 1600 in Canada that you have yet to site a source for. 3 or 4 years is not that long ago........and I'm a news hound so I know I would have at least remembered a bombing in Canada with 1600 dead........a date and location would be nice and let us look it up.
Okay........so you are not a Canadian........you ain't a Redneck for sure though.
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
I was looking at a link earlier I thought it sayed 1,600 died in bombing but in over looking at it, it was over years time. I didn't awnser your questions because I figured you would never let me down on it. Everyone does make mistakes you know. I never said anything against your government really I just sayed they could have thrown in a thank you especially to our prime minister, he has been rallying for suport of your country to attack iraq.
here is something that wasnt covered much by the media though, that did involve canadians and a american pilot.
WASHINGTON (AP) - Among questions facing investigators of the latest bombing accident in Afghanistan, in which four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight wounded, is why the American pilot who dropped the bomb apparently was unaware Canadian soldiers were training in the area.
Also, why didn't the air controller who communicated with the pilot tell him the Canadians were there?
The pilot, on a nighttime air patrol in an F-16 jet fighter, apparently mistook the Canadians for enemy forces and thought he was acting in self-defense when he dropped a 500-pound bomb Thursday, U.S. officials said.
Canadian officials demand an explanation.
President Bush conveyed the nation's regret to Prime Minister Jean Chretien, and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said U.S. and Canadian officers at Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Fla., would work together to piece together what happened and why.
The soldiers were from the 3rd Battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, based near Edmonton, Alberta.
In a brief announcement, Central Command said an Air National Guard F-16 aircraft dropped one or two laser-guided bombs on the Canadians, but it offered no other details. Pentagon officials said the Canadians were conducting a nighttime, live-fire training exercise near the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.
The F-16 was from the 183rd Fighter Wing, whose home base is Springfield, Ill., but it could not be confirmed immediately whether the pilot was a member of that unit. The pilot's name was not released, in accordance with usual U.S. military procedure during an accident investigation.
The jet was flying in tandem with another U.S. F-16.
It appeared the pilots did not know they were flying over an area restricted to training, and the fire from the training exercise made them believe they were under attack, officials at the Pentagon said. All forces operating in the Kandahar area are supposed to be aware of friendly forces.
One of the pilots sought permission to bomb and was told to mark the target but not fire, a senior Pentagon official said. On a second fly-around, after reporting he was taking ground fire, the official said the pilot dropped the bomb in what he thought was self-defense.
Canadian Defense Minister Art Eggleton, who called the deaths shocking, said one of the injured had life-threatening wounds and the other seven were in stable condition.
Chretien addressed the national Parliament in Ottawa.
``We have so many questions this morning,'' he said. ``Extensive training for combat is meant to save lives. How does this happen? In this awful case it took so many lives, and I want to assure the families and the people of Canada that these questions will be answered.''
A Canadian representative at U.S. Commander Tommy Franks' headquarters in Tampa, Capt. Isabelle Compagnon, said the joint U.S.-Canadian investigation would determine whether the Canadians had followed normal procedures in notifying other coalition forces, including the Americans, of the time and place of their training exercise.
Canada's defense chief, Lt. Gen. Ray Henault, told reporters in Ottawa the area was recognized as a training sector and the aircraft were using strictly controlled routes.
``How this can happen is a mystery to us. Without a doubt, there was a misidentification,'' Henault said.
Rumsfeld refused to discuss details of the apparent accident during the investigation. ``What we do know is that some very fine coalition partners of ours ... were killed by one or more bombs ... dropped by one or more F-16s,'' he said during a visit to Scott Air Force Base, Ill.
The bombing was among the worst friendly fire accidents since the U.S.-led campaign in Afghanistan began in October.
On Dec. 5, a B-52 dropped a bomb on U.S. and Afghan forces near Kandahar, killing three Americans and at least seven Afghans, and slightly wounding Hamid Karzai, now Afghanistan's interim leader. The investigation is incomplete, but officials have said there were errors in transmitting target coordinates to the B-52.
On Dec. 22, U.S. aircraft struck a convoy near Khost, killing dozens of Afghans. Some Afghans say the convoy was carrying tribal leaders to Karzai's inauguration, but U.S. military commanders insist it was a legitimate target.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0...1673956,00.html
here is something that wasnt covered much by the media though, that did involve canadians and a american pilot.
WASHINGTON (AP) - Among questions facing investigators of the latest bombing accident in Afghanistan, in which four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight wounded, is why the American pilot who dropped the bomb apparently was unaware Canadian soldiers were training in the area.
Also, why didn't the air controller who communicated with the pilot tell him the Canadians were there?
The pilot, on a nighttime air patrol in an F-16 jet fighter, apparently mistook the Canadians for enemy forces and thought he was acting in self-defense when he dropped a 500-pound bomb Thursday, U.S. officials said.
Canadian officials demand an explanation.
President Bush conveyed the nation's regret to Prime Minister Jean Chretien, and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said U.S. and Canadian officers at Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Fla., would work together to piece together what happened and why.
The soldiers were from the 3rd Battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, based near Edmonton, Alberta.
In a brief announcement, Central Command said an Air National Guard F-16 aircraft dropped one or two laser-guided bombs on the Canadians, but it offered no other details. Pentagon officials said the Canadians were conducting a nighttime, live-fire training exercise near the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.
The F-16 was from the 183rd Fighter Wing, whose home base is Springfield, Ill., but it could not be confirmed immediately whether the pilot was a member of that unit. The pilot's name was not released, in accordance with usual U.S. military procedure during an accident investigation.
The jet was flying in tandem with another U.S. F-16.
It appeared the pilots did not know they were flying over an area restricted to training, and the fire from the training exercise made them believe they were under attack, officials at the Pentagon said. All forces operating in the Kandahar area are supposed to be aware of friendly forces.
One of the pilots sought permission to bomb and was told to mark the target but not fire, a senior Pentagon official said. On a second fly-around, after reporting he was taking ground fire, the official said the pilot dropped the bomb in what he thought was self-defense.
Canadian Defense Minister Art Eggleton, who called the deaths shocking, said one of the injured had life-threatening wounds and the other seven were in stable condition.
Chretien addressed the national Parliament in Ottawa.
``We have so many questions this morning,'' he said. ``Extensive training for combat is meant to save lives. How does this happen? In this awful case it took so many lives, and I want to assure the families and the people of Canada that these questions will be answered.''
A Canadian representative at U.S. Commander Tommy Franks' headquarters in Tampa, Capt. Isabelle Compagnon, said the joint U.S.-Canadian investigation would determine whether the Canadians had followed normal procedures in notifying other coalition forces, including the Americans, of the time and place of their training exercise.
Canada's defense chief, Lt. Gen. Ray Henault, told reporters in Ottawa the area was recognized as a training sector and the aircraft were using strictly controlled routes.
``How this can happen is a mystery to us. Without a doubt, there was a misidentification,'' Henault said.
Rumsfeld refused to discuss details of the apparent accident during the investigation. ``What we do know is that some very fine coalition partners of ours ... were killed by one or more bombs ... dropped by one or more F-16s,'' he said during a visit to Scott Air Force Base, Ill.
The bombing was among the worst friendly fire accidents since the U.S.-led campaign in Afghanistan began in October.
On Dec. 5, a B-52 dropped a bomb on U.S. and Afghan forces near Kandahar, killing three Americans and at least seven Afghans, and slightly wounding Hamid Karzai, now Afghanistan's interim leader. The investigation is incomplete, but officials have said there were errors in transmitting target coordinates to the B-52.
On Dec. 22, U.S. aircraft struck a convoy near Khost, killing dozens of Afghans. Some Afghans say the convoy was carrying tribal leaders to Karzai's inauguration, but U.S. military commanders insist it was a legitimate target.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0...1673956,00.html
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Shiloh
Guest
I bet you're thinking of the airliner that Omar Quaddify blew up in the 80's....Wasn't it Canada Air or something like that?
Big F%&*$#@ plane!!!
Big F%&*$#@ plane!!!
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
Man, it's almost 1:30 in the morning there in the UK......aren't you sleepy?
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
JJ1, what's really taxing you?
I am not hitler I have no secret plan or anything, I already discussed everything I wanted to.
I am not hitler I have no secret plan or anything, I already discussed everything I wanted to.
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abooja
Guest
Good time to leave, I guess...
paul
Team Owner
Bush called Britain our best ally.
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
Oh yes...........it WAS covered............QUITE EXTENSIVELY!!
Oh, I do thank Tony Blaire for his support.........wish his country was with him on it though.
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juniorJohnson1
Guest
Look we got off on the wrong foot you can continue hateing me, or we can get along.
I was upset with how the media handled the incident I wanted to know your opinions about it thats it. I am a racing fan, but if you do not want to accept me here just say so. Theres alot of other boards out there.
shiloh I hope you were only kidding on that last post.
I was upset with how the media handled the incident I wanted to know your opinions about it thats it. I am a racing fan, but if you do not want to accept me here just say so. Theres alot of other boards out there.
shiloh I hope you were only kidding on that last post.
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Awesome_Bill
Guest
Yeah we WANT to attack Iraq but it aint gonna happen. But hey its better than us just putting those terroists in jail, we bombed the hell out of Afgan and others.
paul
Team Owner
You are welcome here.
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abooja
Guest
It just seems one would be a little more sure of his facts before he started posting political bs on a racing forum.
I'm sure you're a fab guy. (You have to be a guy, right?). But if you're simply looking to solicit opinions, as you claim, why do it the day after the anniversary of 9/11, in an American-based racing forum, throw in a couple of whopper lies -- excuse me, errors -- to prove your point, as well as the fact that you don't care to make any friends here? Why should I be nice to you?
I'm sure you're a fab guy. (You have to be a guy, right?). But if you're simply looking to solicit opinions, as you claim, why do it the day after the anniversary of 9/11, in an American-based racing forum, throw in a couple of whopper lies -- excuse me, errors -- to prove your point, as well as the fact that you don't care to make any friends here? Why should I be nice to you?