NASCAR Announces 2018 National Series Driver Participation Guidelines

2 Sweet said:
At the very least, I certainly think it will help the quality of the product.
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I just don't see that. Taking out the best drivers in the world is not going to help the quality of the product but some seem to think a driver dominating isn't entertaining no matter what series it is.
 
kyle18fan said:
Nope ...... the top part is me stating my opinion. I seriously doubt that ego is the only reason Kyle would shut down KBM, after all .... if he was that ego driven, why would he bring a talented young driver in and showcase his talents ? wouldn't that damage a guys huge ego ? Yep ...... he could have left the young gun at the late model track :idunno:
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I'd like this post a zillion times if I could.
 
Simple Fan said:
Taking out the best drivers in the world is not going to help the quality of the product
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If you were talking about the Cup series, I would agree with you. But in the Xfinity series, I think a more level playing field is more important than having a few "overqualified" elite drivers driving elite equipment against a bunch of overmatched B-team squads.

At the end of the day, I can appreciate a good race no matter what level it is.
 
Revman said:
I thank God (the same one Coach likes) that I have had the opportunity to see our 2015 Champion Kyle Damn Busch win in all three series. Those days are going away. Pathetic. All of you dislikers---Get your asses to the track. I will be watching the stands now.
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Every year I hear .......... "but the stands were full at Iowa" :rolleyes: like Iowa hosts a hundred Nascar races and the stand alone is the only one with a crowd :lol2:
 
2 Sweet said:
If you watched Iowa this year and didn't think it was awesome, I'm not sure what to tell you
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They weren't talking about the racing but the fans attending which from what I saw not even the stand alone was completely full.
 
Simple Fan said:
They weren't talking about the racing but the fans attending which from what I saw not even the stand alone was completely full.
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Like I said earlier, I'm not focused on attendance, I just know that the best Xfinity race in years was the one without any Cup drivers in it. I think some of the Kyle Busch fans don't want to see it that way :idunno:
 
2 Sweet said:
Like I said earlier, I'm not focused on attendance, I just know that the best Xfinity race in years was the one without any Cup drivers in it. I think some of the Kyle Busch fans don't want to see it that way :idunno:
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I thought Michigan was better but its one of my favorite tracks they run at.
 
It is kind of funny how it seems the only people who have a problem with this are Kyle Busch fans.

I like Kyle too, he's not my favorite driver, but I like him. And I get it, it's probably awesome seeing your driver go out and dominate every Saturday. However, for pretty much everybody else, it's a colossal bore. The quality of a series' racing shouldn't be compromised to appease one driver's fan base, I think NASCAR is making the right call here.
 
I think this is good move by NASCAR and I will be stating that when I do this week's fan council survey, I am going to be honest, and I look forward to watching more X Series races next year now that we will have less Cuppers .
 
jws926 said:
I think this is good move by NASCAR and I will be stating that when I do this week's fan council survey, I am going to be honest, and I look forward to watching more X Series races next year now that we will have less Cuppers .
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That's the thing though this doesn't really stop Cup drivers from dominating the series. Penske can still run all the races with his Cup guys in the 22 until the dash and playoffs. Same with JGR and his drivers two of which won't have a limit. As I've said before they should just name 7 or 10 preferably regular season races that will feature Cup drivers instead of allowing them to pick and choose their races so they can fill up a schedule.
 
ToyYoda said:
It is kind of funny how it seems the only people who have a problem with this are Kyle Busch fans.

I like Kyle too, he's not my favorite driver, but I like him. And I get it, it's probably awesome seeing your driver go out and dominate every Saturday. However, for pretty much everybody else, it's a colossal bore. The quality of a series' racing shouldn't be compromised to appease one driver's fan base, I think NASCAR is making the right call here.
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Right on.

I'm one of the biggest Gordon fans out there, and when he started racing BGN in '99 (keep in mind, this was around the time he was absolutely dominating Cup) I thought it was cool that he chose to race BGN too, but when he stopped after 2000 I honestly couldn't have cared less. How he did in Cup was all that mattered. I'm glad it was only a dozen BGN races and I'm glad he only won a couple times. I watched BGN races to see BGN teams and drivers. Winston Cup was the big show that mattered the most, and that's where I wanted to see Gordon race. When I watched the other divisions, I rooted for Jason Keller or Jack Sprague or Frank Kimmel or Mike Eddy.

I think some of us are race fans who have favorite drivers, and some of us are driver fans who watch their drivers race.
 
aunty dive said:
I'm pretty sure he has every right to do so.

He pays the bills.
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Amigos no longer in paradise.

ToyYoda said:
It really is kind of a Catch-22 with the Xfinity Series...do you kick the Cup guys out and risk losing sponsorship and the education for the up-and-comers, or do you leave the Cup guys in and continue to field a terrible racing product? I think the new rules announced this morning provide a pretty good balance between the two, I don't think I'd wanna see them cut the Cup driver participation any more than that though.
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I don't follow X or trucks but when all is said and done attendance and viewership will likely erode even further regardless of any changes implemented.

aunty dive said:
Many of the best, most successful racecar drivers in every discipline are / have been classic Type A narcissists.

Part of the deal.
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You should have been a 10 time cup champ and won multiple F1 and Cart Champs, IMO.
 
Simple Fan said:
That's the thing though this doesn't really stop Cup drivers from dominating the series. Penske can still run all the races with his Cup guys in the 22 until the dash and playoffs. Same with JGR and his drivers two of which won't have a limit. As I've said before they should just name 7 or 10 preferably regular season races that will feature Cup drivers instead of allowing them to pick and choose their races so they can fill up a schedule.
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Yes, you correct, so its not a perfect solution, just moving somewhat in the right direction, still not perfect. I do like the idea of the select races that the Cuppers can race in.
 
jws926 said:
Yes, you correct, so its not a perfect solution, just moving somewhat in the right direction, still not perfect. I do like the idea of the select races that the Cuppers can race in.
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It's the only real solution in my opinion. Would make for 23 races without Cup participants and make the 10 with Cup drivers more anticipated in the Xfinity Series.
 
Simple Fan said:
It's the only real solution in my opinion. Would make for 23 races without Cup participants and make the 10 with Cup drivers more anticipated in the Xfinity Series.
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The only other way would be that the limit applies to the entire organization , not each individual team within.
 
jws926 said:
The only other way would be that the limit applies to the entire organization , not each individual team within.
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Yeah that's a bit confusing to think about but you're talking about limiting a team like JGR to just 10 starts as a whole with Cup drivers across their 3 Xfinity cars? So in a week Denny and Kyle both race that would be 2 starts of the 10.
 
Simple Fan said:
Yeah that's a bit confusing to think about but you're talking about limiting a team like JGR to just 10 starts as a whole with Cup drivers across their 3 Xfinity cars? So in a week Denny and Kyle both race that would be 2 starts of the 10.
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Not all that confusing, you get x number amount of races for each lower series for your entire org, use them how you see fit.
 
Why not just 10 Cup lite invitational races for Xfinity and 7 Cup lite invitational races for Trucks? Make set races/tracks that Cup drivers are allowed to run in those events.

Though I guess this is just complaining, NASCAR is making the right call IMO.
 
AuzGrams said:
Why not just 10 Cup lite invitational races for Xfinity and 7 Cup lite invitational races for Trucks? Make set races/tracks that Cup drivers are allowed to run in those events.

Though I guess this is just complaining, NASCAR is making the right call IMO.
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That's what I've been saying. I don't think the changes they are making actually do anything for the problem. If they want to truly limit the drivers than as you said have a set number of races that feature Cup guys is the way to go.
 
aunty dive said:
I've never read anything about how much he cares about developing talent. I assume he enjoys it and imagine that it's satisfying when one of his driver has enough success to move up.

I see no reason to demonize the guy ... he's helped some good young guys get into the game. If he stops, he stops. Life will go on as it has since the Harvick family shut their truck teams down.
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Ok, but Harvick shut down his team so he could focus on racing, financial reasons, and to start a family.


Kyle is threatening to shut down his team because he's not getting his way. It's selfish (and even somewhat narcissistic)

There's a large difference. If Kyle cared about talent he'd leave the team open and let an up and coming driver take his seat.

Brad K feels the same and he's not threatening to closeup shop.
 
Simple Fan said:
That's what I've been saying. I don't think the changes they are making actually do anything for the problem. If they want to truly limit the drivers than as you said have a set number of races that feature Cup guys is the way to go.
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Penske is still gonna split their races between Menard, Kes, Logano, Blaney. Gibbs is still gonna split Suarez, Jones, Hamlin, Busch, etc. It doesn't necessarily "help" the NXS guys win races.

Trucks need to be going back to more short tracks with K&N & ARCA. And Xfinity really needs to be going back to IRP, Gateway, Nashville Fairgrounds, etc.
 
AuzGrams said:
Penske is still gonna split their races between Menard, Kes, Logano, Blaney. Gibbs is still gonna split Suarez, Jones, Hamlin, Busch, etc. It doesn't necessarily "help" the NXS guys win races.

Trucks need to be going back to more short tracks with K&N & ARCA. And Xfinity really needs to be going back to IRP, Gateway, Nashville Fairgrounds, etc.
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Yeah between Menard, Logano, and Keselowski they can fill the 21 races in the 22 that they are allowed next year. That's not counting Blaney who has no restrictions and could race in any of the 21 races. Obviously you get 12 races without any Cup drivers not including the standalone races but honestly there should be more of those if they want the series to be about the regulars.
 
Kyle..... Gotta love him. Almost every time he opens his pie hole, he generates 100+ forum responses. The guy loves to race. His fans love to watch him race. I get that. So, now he's going to take his ball and go home should he not get his way. That, I don't get.

Why not take his concerns directly to NASCAR? They don't want to see owners/teams leave the sport. I think that would have been a better route for him rather than making childish threats over Dave Moody's talk show forum. He's got absolutely nothing to gain by doing that. He seems to think that he's got the ability to get together his fellow drivers and 'screw up' the feeder series schedules, then why not take that force of drivers directly to NASCAR to make some sort of point?

His fans will never see it but his little rant make him sound noting more than foolish. I'd have said the same regardless of what driver took his stance.
 
ladyspartan16 said:
Ok, but Harvick shut down his team so he could focus on racing, financial reasons, and to start a family.


Kyle is threatening to shut down his team because he's not getting his way. It's selfish (and even somewhat narcissistic)

There's a large difference. If Kyle cared about talent he'd leave the team open and let an up and coming driver take his seat.

Brad K feels the same and he's not threatening to closeup shop.
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Brad would be forced to shut his team down. No Cups driver = Sponsor pays a lot less = team loses money = team shut down.
 
sloggie said:
Brad would be forced to shut his team down. No Cups driver = Sponsor pays a lot less = team loses money = team shut down.
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That's why every single other truck team that doesn't have Cup guys ever can't find sponsors.....wait...nvm they do find them and seem to run smoothly as well.
 
Blaze88 said:
That's why every single other truck team that doesn't have Cup guys ever can't find sponsors.....wait...nvm they do find them and seem to run smoothly as well.
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From what i see these other teams are either funded by ride buyers or are teams on a shoestring budget. My understanding is that teams owned by the cup drivers lose about a million dollars a year on average.

These guys do it because the love to race. I can't see then absorbing a larger loss if they dont get to drive. You can decide for yourself if its a good thing or a bad thing. It will certainly change the series.


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dpkimmel2001 said:
Kyle..... Gotta love him. Almost every time he opens his pie hole, he generates 100+ forum responses. The guy loves to race. His fans love to watch him race. I get that. So, now he's going to take his ball and go home should he not get his way. That, I don't get.

Why not take his concerns directly to NASCAR? They don't want to see owners/teams leave the sport. I think that would have been a better route for him rather than making childish threats over Dave Moody's talk show forum. He's got absolutely nothing to gain by doing that. He seems to think that he's got the ability to get together his fellow drivers and 'screw up' the feeder series schedules, then why not take that force of drivers directly to NASCAR to make some sort of point?

His fans will never see it but his little rant make him sound noting more than foolish. I'd have said the same regardless of what driver took his stance.
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I don't see it as foolish but just truthful. If he can't run in the trucks he will lose more money than he already is running that team. No since in doing that if you get nothing out of it. He simply had a platform to voice his opinion and did, I'm sure when they do talk to NASCAR he'll say the exact same thing to them but he had nothing to lose by voicing his opinion either. NASCAR doesn't seem to be interested in keeping Cup drivers as owners in the Truck Series with these limits and the possibility of a spec crate motor in my opinion.

These limits don't fix the problem either. You will still have more Cup drivers in victory lane than Xfinity drivers. Most the drivers haven't liked them be it Cup, Xfinity, or Trucks. As Kyle has said JGR can pretty much fill up the schedule with Cup guys same as Penske. Cup participation races in Xfinity should be less than 21 races which I what they will have next year.
 
ToyYoda said:
It is kind of funny how it seems the only people who have a problem with this are Kyle Busch fans.
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I'm not a Kyle Busch fan... in fact, exactly the opposite... but I'm opposed to this change. I've stated my reasons elsewhere in detail, so I'll just say I have philosophical problems with this new rule, believe it will lessen the Xfinity product, and I dislike the hypocrisy of some of the arguments used to justify it. So just for the record, it's not just about Kyle Busch.
 
Kyle Damn Busch! Kyle Damn Busch! Kyle Damn Busch! I like Kyle, but Xfinity and Truck were good and fun before he ever set foot in either series. Same goes for any other Cup driver. NASCAR will soldier on.

Now to establish a more cost-effective formula within each series...
 
ToyYoda said:
It is kind of funny how it seems the only people who have a problem with this are Kyle Busch fans
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It is funny as more fans should dislike it instead of just Kyle Busch fans. This doesn't fix the problem they have in Xfinity, its only a bandaid. When you have more races with Cup guys than you do Xfinity regulars only its still going to be a problem.

There is a better way of limiting drivers and should really be looked at after next year I think. Go back to 10 and 7 with the limits but designate specific races that Cup guys are allowed to enter. That leaves 23 and 16 races with only regulars in Xfinity and Trucks. Make the races in the regular season and leave the playoffs for regulars.
 
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