NJJammer
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I've been to the secret Hendrick engine facility on sublevel 16 under the #48 shop. It's like Area 51 down there.
NASCAR killing the sport / NOT NASCAR
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HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
I can't get internet in my area, hence having DIRECTV. I had Playstation Vue last year. But even then, I was spending $90/month on internet (10mbps which isn't very fast).
That's the one drawback with streaming media... while the industry as a whole is going all in on it, there is still a large part of the country that you can't get high speed internet in. While it may not amount to much population wise (less than 20%), it's still a lot. AT&T and Microsoft are trying to do things to expand rural internet access, but they're being fought by the cable companies and state governments who are simultaneously taking money from the Federal Government to expand rural internet access but refuse to do so.
I get off pretty lucky on my AT&T unlimited plan and, at home, am never throttled because most everyone around here has Verizon.
StandOnIt
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HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Neither football nor baseball had playoffs several decades ago. Basketball didn't used to have a three point line. And the NFL wants to eliminate kickoffs and extra points. These all count as major changes.
NFL has changed its overtime rules as well. In fact, just a couple months ago, they changed the length of overtime from 15 minutes to 10. A few years ago, they changed the rule from first team to score wins the game to both teams get possession unless one team scores a touchdown. The NHL changed the rules in overtime a few years ago too so they could try to get more games to end in sudden death instead of a shootout.
These are procedure changes put in place because of safety. Sort of like the NFL changing rules or penalties for player safety.
NFL didn't used to have playoffs. Neither did MLB. Those were added over time. And they've been modified over the years. NFL went from having two best teams from each conference meet in Super Bowl to having playoffs, then expanding playoffs, then adding wild card, then expanding wild card. Baseball, same story. Baseball expanded playoffs not long ago too. And NFL talked about expanding playoffs as well even more.
Other sports have added in TV timeouts or changed procedure for game stoppages to accommodate TV. No different than the stages.
Who cares?
MLB changed how games are officiated via adding instant replay. NFL changed how games are officiated by having reviews come from New York.
The NFL has changed formation rules and kickoff rules. MLB added Designated Hitter.
NFL added Thursday Night Football and flex scheduling. Moves games from early start times to later start times all the time. They've moved start times for Monday night games up. Carolina/Gonzaga (GO HEELS!) National Championship game started at 9:20pm.
Keep throwing those footballs to me. I'll keep taking them to the endzone.
Charlie Spencer
Road courses and short tracks.
Many of the changes you rightfully point out took place over decades. Most / all of the changes joe h listed took place in NASCAR over the last ten years.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Not really. Most of the changes I've stated RE:NFL are fairly recent, such as overtime rules, kickoffs, formation rules and safety enhancements.
The stages and the playoffs are the only major changes in NASCAR. And the stage racing is long overdue.
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Skoalbandit33
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I am a casual fan but I like this forum for all the interesting characters as it keeps things entertaining. The content could be about under waster basket weaving I am I would would still enjoy it.
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Skoalbandit33
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I wouldn't say that Nascar was better decades ago but I would say that I enjoyed it more for a long list of reasons.
Number 1 being you weren't a grumpy old man back then.
I agree --- can't put my finger on the reasons, to be honest.
And I wasn't a grumpy old lady. heheheNumber 1 being you weren't a grumpy old man back then.
darlingtonfan
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I remember my dad getting free cigarettes at the track.We would all pile into dads station wagon(now we call them SUV's)and head to a race.
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There have always been people that trashed Nascar, and the local track promoters too.
I have seen drivers **** mouth the local promoter and then turn to being almost heartbroken when they steped down.
So yes the fans can be stupid, but it is not new phenomenon.
But Nascar does exactly what they want to do. Fans dont show up, if doesn't make a damm, no need to worry about whats missing we got a fat tv contract. We will rip out seats, amd call it right sizing. Deal with it.
Hate the chase, well stick this third escalation of the hated ****. You thought you hated the inception, will eat this elimination. Dont like it, deal with.
As worthless as Brian France is, the one thing that can be said, is that he is impervious to what fans really think.
And Nascar owns the crap they stir on their own, they are doing it, irregardless of a brilliant or stupid fan base.
And the fan counsel surveys is just window dressing, for the hired PR pieces to claim they were ever in tune.
And the dumbassery was implemented long before the excuses started.
Awarding an abundance of 1.5 milers in the 90s is one big example.
At least a stupid fanbase is well represented by Nascars leadership.
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Skoalbandit33
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I have read some things about Nascar listening to the fans but does anyone honestly think they would find themselves in the predicament they are today if they had truly paid attention to the fans over the last 20 years or so?
dpkimmel2001
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I don't find it hard to believe at all. We can't agree on here on most every topic. I think the problem may be the exact opposite. They listen to the fans too much. Pre Brian, that wasn't the case.
You can't please all of the people, all of the time.
Bill France and Bill, Jr. RAN the sport --- it was their way, or the highway.
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Skoalbandit33
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It sure wouldn't be much fun if we were all agreement on every topic either. IMO there are two big items have Nascar in the position they are today. The first is all the cookie cutter tracks that were built in order to house all the fans that used to attend races and the second reason is the CoT and whatever they call the car in use today. IDK if anyone was consulted on either of these things but someone should have.
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BINGO!! That's what I been saying this whole time lol.. they listen to the fans that don't go to races and don't have a clue what the he'll there talking bout
I can truthfully say that I've attended more than 100 NASCAR races. I don't go to races anymore because the knees will not let me walk the great distances nor climb the stairs without pain. I've been personally involved in drag racing and short track dirt late models. I have friends that were closely connected to the NASCAR world and I've spent time with them. One was the mother-in-law of a team owner --- was in the shop many times in the Charlotte area.
I think I know what the hell I'm talking about -- so please don't jump to conclusions about everyone who doesn't attend races. There may be very good reasons.
Plus, I'm on a limited income. After my husband died, 1/2 my income died with him. I simply cannot afford the expenses of going to races -- even if my knees permitted.
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Who directed my last message to u?? I never mentioned your name and by reading your messages on here you seem like a good fan that knows what there talking bout.. so why curse at me?? As I stated countless times in this topic a lot of this comes from the fans calling in to the NASCAR channel on Sirius radio..
I know exactly how it is with not being able to be there like it used to be. My brother asked me to go with him to Talladega for Junior's last race there. I want to go so bad, but at the same time I am afraid to go. Last time I went the heat just about killed me. And my brother walks so fast. Because he has trouble with his knees, he says walking slow is more difficult. sigh..
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Skoalbandit33
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I attended Busch and Cup races from the 80's up until a few years back when I made a conscious decision to take a break. It is possible I could return to the track but watching Nascar the way I do now seems to work well so it is unlikely. IDK how Nascar collects data or disseminates it but all I know is that change comes at a furious pace in Nascar. Nascar reminds me of a person who has made poor choice after poor choice and is at a point where they have lost their way and are trying anything and everything to get on the right track but they don't even know what the right track is.
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This is true lol , but don't it seem like when they make a decision they always say it's based off fans? Well what if a lot of the choices they mad was based off fans but never said it..
If I go to Talladega next year I know you'll come with me right?
I would if I thought I could.
A lot of work but...OK
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Skoalbandit33
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I can completely relate to your brother as my knees are not the best and walking fast is much less painful than going at a slower pace or standing around. When I was a kid I never gave a thought to whether it would be hot or cold or whether I would have to climb a bunch of stairs or walk a couple of miles to get to something but it sure is a consideration now.
The most challenging race I ever attended was the Bristol night race as when it was a sell out you had to walk a great distance to get to the track and you never seemed to be on level ground.
Charlie Spencer
Road courses and short tracks.
That's a pretty broad statement. I suspect all sports in the 21st century have more fans that don't regularly attend in person than do.
Indeed, there are some sports that I think are better on the tube. I attended golf's US Open a few years ago. At 5'6", I was too short to see much and I doubt I'll attend a tournament in person again. That doesn't keep me from enjoying the sport. I think road course races are better on TV too, for the same reason as golf - because I can see more of the action than I can live.
I suspect the mix of knowledgeable and ignorant fans is no different at the track than at home. Regarding sports radio, learning to dial the phone seems to have been too much for some callers, leaving them no room for information regarding the subject of their call.s
I hear what you're saying. Bristol has to be the toughest as far as walking is concerned.
Mopardh9
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I can put my finger on a number of things, cars we could identify with, less 1.5 tracks, drivers who really had followings, overall better racing and a lot less bs.
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Skoalbandit33
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I hear a lot about the lack of rivalries between the drivers which I am thinking really means some ill feeling and aggression between them. IMO a good way to get some of that would be to have more short track and road course events where the cars are often times in really close quarters and things happen that make drivers mad. At the cookie cutters and big tracks they end up all spread apart except for restarts.
Exactly, we need another good feud that lasts longer then a couple weeks. Most "rivalries" lately seemed promising but never kept going long enough to live up to the hype the media gave it.
Mopardh9
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The sport has become generic, everything about it is generic, from the tracks to the cars. There is no flavor.
Mopardh9
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Nascar needs to get back to basics, take the points system. ..uggh, how do explain this to a new fan...seriously. Nascar doesn't need a playoff format, contrary to what a lot of you think, the old points system was working just fine and actually rewarded the most consistenly good driver with a championship. All these convoluted stage points is a bunch of crap, do you see stage points in any other sport? Another uggh from me. Like I said before many times thesee cars go too fast, lift up off the ground, get rid of the splitter, and slow them down to around 175-185 and make them actually have to lift quite a bit in the corners. If it weren't for the decals I couldn't tell the manufacturers apart and this is part Nascars fault and the manufacturers fault. The fans need to identify with the brand, it used to be a hell of a lot of fun rooting against a Monte Carlo when old Bill had that T-Bird. I know things have changed the world is different, it's the me generation and all, but get rid of these band aids and gimmicks.
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See the point system was the first thing you said lol.. when I said people complain about the point system and won't the old point system back to make NASCAR good again all hell broke loose haha
I have a problem with race manipulation and playoff formats. This isn't stick and ball.
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You go back to the fan and that said that JJ is driving Jeff's cars. He is right at least he was the first year JJ drove. HMS did give all Of Jeff's cars to the #48. It was part of the deal between Jeff and Rick when they formed a partnership in the #48 car giving Jeff majority ownership in that car.