Nascar looks at collusion!!!!

aunty dive said:
Corporate operational stupidity.

It astounds me that these guys didn’t have this in their plans for the day. A simple code word or phrase and the problem doesn’t exist.
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Me too. The Spotter must have bumped his head.
 
Now that Nascar has made a decision can Stewart/Hass challenge it
 
Brentford said:
Pretty much. I mean, NASCAR didn't do anything about it, so a code word or phrase wasn't really needed.
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A coded message would have avoided a lot of flak.

It couldn't be simpler. Denny can get Bubba to call up Lewis Shamilton for an explanation of how such things are done professionally.
 
I would like the elimination tournament as a stand alone but I just wished it didn't include the season championship award. It would still be great show and could still have a huge purse without trashing the entire body of work.
 
I guess Harvick is my favorite driver but I am not sure how you clear up everything that happened Sunday.
Any final four altering penalties by Nascar would also leave a bad taste that is probably worse than the current status. I feel that way inspite of rooting for Harvick more than any of the current final four drivers.

Collusion: I don't like it and I would ban it all if possible, but there are so many shades of grey. In a perfect world I would want 40 separate teams and owners. I would also ban teams and spotters from cross team communications and making any co-opetition agreements. I want a racing war with no race control mercy for anyone. But that just isn't realistic. There is no perfection, the idea is a fantasy at best, just enjoy the show the best you can, nothing is perfect.
 
Wanted Harvick to win it all. I think he is the driver of the year. But that is off the table now, and life goes on.

Been a bigger Chevy fan all my life. All my hot rods have been a Chevy, my dream car goal is a 55 Chevy.

.... Go Chase Elliot.
 
The scene at the end of that race was so funny. Hamlin had a straight up police escort with Jones and Truex.
 
aunty dive said:
It astounds me that these guys didn’t have this in their plans for the day. A simple code word or phrase and the problem doesn’t exist.
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I for one am glad they did not have a f'ing code word and I hope Hamlin gets points taken away (cause he was in on it) and Harvick gets in.

You know, Kind a like JG did a few years ago.
 
sdj said:
Yeah, by my recollection, in the end a "6 SECOND Lead over second place", must have been some break, led way over 200 laps and won the race, cause by all known standards, he whipped their A**!
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Try doing that from 2 laps down which he should have gotten on the pit road penalty.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
"NASCAR requires its competitors to race at 100 percent of their ability with the goal of achieving their best possible finishing position in an event," NASCAR president Mike Helton said

Read that and tell me the rule doesn't apply. Jones was very clearly backing up his corner entry a good 20+ ft so he didn't blow past Hamlin. That doesn't line up with that quote above.
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They wrote the rule as a PR ploy following a scandal and never intended to enforce it as written.

In following years, some team will step far enough over the line as to demand a penalty, and they'll reinterpret the rule to mean what they need it to mean to fit the scenario.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
The rule book says otherwise. He also wouldn't have lost any laps, he would've just dropped to the rear under caution.
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Thats right, it was under caution. But I read where even Chase said he couldnt have made it up. The rulebook was used in Chases favor, the reset should have been back on top of the wall or behind it. Simply touching your foot on the wall while your other foot is on the ground is pointless. They are penalizing guys who are behind the wall and touch the damn ground with their hand for gods sake. He caught a break because NASCAR didnt want to end his night.
 
LMAO Moody just said on his show he actually thought Jones was being rather aggressive in an effort to pass Hamlin.

Let's see, one guy had the preferred line all the way around the track for about 15 laps, was backing way out of the gas on corner entry, and refused to throttle back with any effort.

Hilarious.
 
Spotter22 said:
Thats right, it was under caution. But I read where even Chase said he couldnt have made it up. The rulebook was used in Chases favor, the reset should have been back on top of the wall or behind it. Simply touching your foot on the wall while your other foot is on the ground is pointless. They are penalizing guys who are behind the wall and touch the damn ground with their hand for gods sake. He caught a break because NASCAR didnt want to end his night.
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I think they exposed a grey area in the rule. Since it says to return to or behind the wall, running back to the wall and touching it would fall within the definition outlined. I can see them changing it.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
I think they exposed a grey area in the rule. Since it says to return to or behind the wall, running back to the wall and touching it would fall within the definition outlined. I can see them changing it.
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So we can agree that both the 11 and the 9 caught a break? I think thats a fair assessment. BTW, I cant stand Moody
 
Wonder if Harvick didn't spin Kyle and finished one point out they would've considered punishing Denny or something:owquitit:
 
I cannot wait until we have the final four championship race at Daytona in the coming years.

We are gonna have fun with that! Probably will give us enough storylines to argue about until the green flag at Daytona 500 the next year
 
JGR_20 said:
I cannot wait until we crown the champion at Daytona in a few years.

We are gonna have fun with that! Probably will give us enough storylines to argue about until the green flag at Daytona the next year
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If they race at Daytona for the finale, they'd probably just throw out the chase and say that the winner of the race is the champion. Could you imagine Quin Houff winning and becoming the champion after getting only one top 30 finish all year.
 
Brentford said:
If they race at Daytona for the finale, they'd probably just throw out the chase and say that the winner of the race is the champion. Could you imagine Quin Houff winning and becoming the champion after getting only one top 30 finish all year.
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Rick Allen calling Quin’s last lap: HE CAME FROM 38TH.... PIT STOPS WITH FUEL... FAST RACING... EACAPING THROUGH THE 26 CAR PILEUP... HERES QUIN HOUFF... CUP SERIES CHAMPION...

apologies. I’ll stop now
 
sdj said:
He did not get a pit road penalty because no rule was broken for him to get a pit road penalty.

Like I said, he,"CHASE", paddled that A** and won his way to the final 4.
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He got a pass, jackman broke the rule. He also mysteriously got away with another rule violation when NASCAR missed him not having any communication at Kansas. "Lucky" guy
 
The jackman realized his mistake and made an effort to reset. NASCAR recognized the effort and made a call that is now a precident. I think it was the right call (no advantage was taken).
 
Zerkfitting said:
The jackman realized his mistake and made an effort to reset. NASCAR recognized the effort and made a call that is now a precident. I think it was the right call (no advantage was taken).
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Any other race a crew member behind the wall loses his balance and momentary touches the track with his pinky and it is called as to many men over or over the wall to soon.
Takes big balls for to be so obvious in their favoritism.
 
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