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I really think they would be better served at a butterfly wing pulling contest.And you say I go on and on. If anyone made it through all that, I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for them or question their sanity.
I really think they would be better served at a butterfly wing pulling contest.And you say I go on and on. If anyone made it through all that, I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for them or question their sanity.
I really think they would be better served at a butterfly wing pulling contest.
Even though you aren't in the game you have my vote
Yes I have noticed your absence. Sometimes those 5 min are only as long as a trip from the couch to the kitchen.I haven’t done much reading, scrolling or posting for the past few months. Maybe you realized that and then forgot it in 5 minutes. You know what I mean.
NASCAR, will be around longer then you haters. How much money, what network, how many in the seats? No matter the sport it will survive without you. NASCAR out performs most of the top end sports on TV, fact! So now what?
FactDrama
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Its all good in my hood. NASCAR tv ratings are showing signs of improvement. Maybe the bottom has been found. I'm looking for brighter days ahead. Would anyone like some pie?Hmmm, Ground Hog Day...
PIE COMIN!Its all good in my hood. NASCAR tv ratings are showing signs of improvement. Maybe the bottom has been found. I'm looking for brighter days ahead. Would anyone like some pie?
Its all good in my hood. NASCAR tv ratings are showing signs of improvement. Maybe the bottom has been found. I'm looking for brighter days ahead. Would anyone like some pie?
I've come to realize that I get one vote during a race for watching NASCAR Live on Fox/S1 or NBC/SN and one vote for simultaneously listening to MRN/PRN coverage.
I live in the North Georgia mountains and I see a few NASCAR Bumper Stickers (most are old and worn) but I don't know of too many others who are into it. When I talk to friends who want to do something on Sundays and I tell them I'll be watching NASCAR, they give it a passing nod without any follow up. I just hope the party lasts until they finally go electric or I fall off a rock hiking in the Smoky Mountains.
TV works for me, because I've since sworn off most mob festival events, especially after Sturgis. I could care less how many people are in the stands, especially if they are getting ready to chuck their beer or climb a catch fence. I just like watching cars getting set up to race -- then race -- and as they are racing make adjustments to beat their competitors.
I might attend the ROVAL because that was a hard driving fun event last year, and perhaps the night Bristol that everyone talks about. But as I plan for these races I don't fret about NASCAR as a business -- it would spoil the racing for me.
My guess is that the 2019 rules caused some fans to tune in out of curiosity and some definitely like it. I think the biggest reason is that after last year’s brutal losses things have finally bottomed out.
It could be a bounce...
But even with all the changes its still enjoyable for me to watch talent rise and fall, cars come and go throughout a race and throughout a season, and teams adapt to shifting rules, etc -- it all makes for a satisfying NASCAR Cup Event on Saturday Night or Sunday.
There are so many things to be picky about beyond the obvious Qualifying fiasco that has all sides throwing blame and names at each other,
and many exasperated pundits devising new (and old) rules and formats to solve this Qualifying evolutionary process.
I just can't see where it has reached the point where I will swear off NASCAR and go buy a kayak, start a new hobby, or go "antiquing" on a Sunday instead of sit down and watch the cars roar to life and race each other. Sure, you don't know what quality of event you'll get -- but if it's really bad (like Quals) this place gets really fun.
I think the Chinese market is ripe for the picking and having a Chinese manufacturer come on board would be huge.
I thought they already made all the parts and pieces Nascar supplies as mandatory.
Can you imagine how things would explode internationally for Nascar if the could get a foothold in China? Nobody in the US wants a Buick but they sell like hot cakes in China.
Thanks for the insight, very interesting, especially coming from a media insider. I mean, all subscribers of a cable network, regardless of demographics, contribute value via carriage fees. That is an important revenue stream, paid per subscriber. But the insight you add regarding the advertising value is good stuff, so thanks for posting it.As for demographics, I don't look that deep into it. Through my media sales experience, I've found there's a desired market for every demographic.
Thanks for the insight, very interesting, especially coming from a media insider. I mean, all subscribers of a cable network, regardless of demographics, contribute value via carriage fees. That is an important revenue stream, paid per subscriber. But the insight you add regarding the advertising value is good stuff, so thanks for posting it.
For the sake of perspective this race had a 4.5 rating and 7.3 million viewers in 2014 and was broadcast on FOX in mid March. I’m guessing it probably had 100k plus in attendance.
Everyone has FOX, everyone doesn't have FS1. Numbers from FSGO and other outlets have not been completed yet, but there has been an increase from last year's event. Still impressive it raked in 1.5 after the Sunday race being rained out. Not a bad job here, still showing slight increases every week.
Here's an uncomfortable reality that may be worthy of discussion, rather than the same old "wHY aRe THE rATiNgZ DowN aGAin?"
A vocal segment of fans and media have prevailed in pushing the need for more short tracks and road courses to fix the staid schedule. If you consume NASCAR media, you likely hear this refrain every day. I happen to personally agree with it, as I would welcome more of both. However, NASCAR's existing short tracks and road courses do not attract larger audiences than intermediates, and in fact have just drawn the two smallest audiences of the season. Part of this is being sequestered to FS1 rather than Fox, but when looking back through recent years, Bristol, Martinsville, and Richmond do not draw higher TV ratings than places like Kansas, Chicago, and Pocono. Neither do Sonoma and Watkins Glen. If the current ones aren't more popular, why would new unestablished ones be?
I point this out not to argue against a more varied schedule, but to suggest that people shouldn't confuse their personal preferences and concepts of "good racing" with what actually draws the masses, if that's the goal.
Yeah, what you say is the dirty little secret of the #MoreShortTracks mantra... the evidence does not support that TV ratings or live attendance would benefit. I do believe the Charlotte Roval live gate and TV numbers were better than the fall Charlotte 1.5er would have done, at least for the first year.Here's an uncomfortable reality that may be worthy of discussion, rather than the same old "wHY aRe THE rATiNgZ DowN aGAin?"
A vocal segment of fans and media have prevailed in pushing the need for more short tracks and road courses to fix the staid schedule. If you consume NASCAR media, you likely hear this refrain every day. I happen to personally agree with it, as I would welcome more of both. However, NASCAR's existing short tracks and road courses do not attract larger audiences than intermediates, and in fact have just drawn the two smallest audiences of the season. Part of this is being sequestered to FS1 rather than Fox, but when looking back through recent years, Bristol, Martinsville, and Richmond do not draw higher TV ratings than places like Kansas, Chicago, and Pocono. Neither do Sonoma and Watkins Glen. If the current ones aren't more popular, why would new unestablished ones be?
I point this out not to argue against a more varied schedule, but to suggest that people shouldn't confuse their personal preferences and concepts of "good racing" with what actually draws the masses, if that's the goal.
A vocal segment of fans and media have prevailed in pushing the need for more short tracks and road courses to fix the staid schedule. If you consume NASCAR media, you likely hear this refrain every day. I happen to personally agree with it, as I would welcome more of both. However, NASCAR's existing short tracks and road courses do not attract larger audiences than intermediates, and in fact have just drawn the two smallest audiences of the season. Part of this is being sequestered to FS1 rather than Fox, but when looking back through recent years, Bristol, Martinsville, and Richmond do not draw higher TV ratings than places like Kansas, Chicago, and Pocono. Neither do Sonoma and Watkins Glen. If the current ones aren't more popular, why would new unestablished ones be
Yeah, what you say is the dirty little secret of the #MoreShortTracks mantra... the evidence does not support that TV ratings or live attendance would benefit. I do believe the Charlotte Roval live gate and TV numbers were better than the fall Charlotte 1.5er would have done, at least for the first year.
I support schedule diversity for Nascar racing. IMO, six short tracks is about right, and I'd like to see about six road courses as well. I also believe the 'heart and soul' of Nascar racing is the fast intermediates... 1.5ers and 2.0/2.5ers (without pack racing rules attempts, please). Pack racing should be Daytona and Talladega only, IMO.
Andy, to be clear, I support more short tracks and road courses on the schedule. I just don't expect them to necessarily attract bigger TV audiences than the widely criticized intermediates.
If NASCAR is serious about embracing short track roots, I would agree that they need to get these races on network TV. That matters much more than this "cutoff race" schedule shuffling business.
The first year ratings bump for the Charlotte Roval was a success, and implies a certain fatigue with too many conventional 1.5 mile races. However, there are no recent ratings for a short track that demonstrate higher demand for them, aside from maybe at the Trucks level with Eldora usually posting a high number for that series.
Actually, looking over 2018 ratings, Watkins Glen posted an audience of 3.67 million on NBC that is plainly larger than the races around it on the schedule, demonstrating mass appeal there.
NASCAR is a niche sport again, predominantly in the Southeast. NASCAR should embrace that. Short tracks may not bring in an influx of new viewers, but it does satisfy the current fanbase.
Instead, they're trying to make the west coast the epicenter of the sport ... again. Last time they tried this, they didn't bring new fans in. Instead, they pissed off their core fans.
Andrew Maness did some research that came to the same conclusions - short tracks and road courses, while good and fun, don't appeal anymore for TV ratings than any other type of track. I think they may even have rated slightly lower, and this was done ceteris paribus. Things may have changed a little bit as it was done in 2013 or 2014 but probably not enough to make a real difference.Here's an uncomfortable reality that may be worthy of discussion, rather than the same old "wHY aRe THE rATiNgZ DowN aGAin?"
A vocal segment of fans and media have prevailed in pushing the need for more short tracks and road courses to fix the staid schedule. If you consume NASCAR media, you likely hear this refrain every day. I happen to personally agree with it, as I would welcome more of both. However, NASCAR's existing short tracks and road courses do not attract larger audiences than intermediates, and in fact have just drawn the two smallest audiences of the season. Part of this is being sequestered to FS1 rather than Fox, but when looking back through recent years, Bristol, Martinsville, and Richmond do not draw higher TV ratings than places like Kansas, Chicago, and Pocono. Neither do Sonoma and Watkins Glen. If the current ones aren't more popular, why would new unestablished ones be?
I point this out not to argue against a more varied schedule, but to suggest that people shouldn't confuse their personal preferences and concepts of "good racing" with what actually draws the masses, if that's the goal.