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iRacing is built on top of the software code used by legendary game developer Papyrus to make its racing (NASCAR and others) PC games from the mid '90s into the early '00s. Those games were classified as "sims" within the PC gaming market, meaning that the general emphasis was on realism over fun.

They were still games. iRacing is still a gaming service. In terms of the quality of the simulation, it's impressive but still lacking some essential elements that make auto racing on a physical race track what it is. Sim racing is a different beast. The reason all of these events put on by racing series during the shutdown are invitationals is that if they were opened up to the public for open qualification, few of the star drivers would make the field. It requires different experience.
 

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From a guy who is trying to transition from the real thing to the virtual world from the time being - it ain’t the real thing, it’s not an OEM sim, but it’s well above typical console gaming. And it’s not really something anyone like the NBA or NHL could replicate right now.

 

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Yep I pretty much figured the same ones that had problems grasping the difference in a restrictor plate and a tapered spacer would have problems.
 

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Yep I pretty much figured the same ones that had problems grasping the difference in a restrictor plate and a tapered spacer would have problems.
Everyone else is dispensing actual information and having a discussion. Your petty passive aggressive snark isn't needed.
 

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Everyone else is dispensing actual information and having a discussion. Your petty passive aggressive snark isn't needed.
you seem to have your panties in a ruffle and I don't think you are qualified to say what is a discussion, what is kidding and in your case what is taking everything personal.
 

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Yep I pretty much figured the same ones that had problems grasping the difference in a restrictor plate and a tapered spacer would have problems.
Sure, insult me. That's always a good way to make a point.
It is like calling the Rolls Royce or a Lambogini a car. Some will never get it, they drive Honda's :biggrin:
Uh, they ARE cars. Calling them 'luxury touring sedans' or 'performance sports automobiles' doesn't make them anything more or less. That example really doesn't help your case; it actually supports the position these 'simulations' are games by a fancier name. Like the phrase 'graphic novel', it just flags the speaker as trying to justify spending as much as he wants on what he desires. Nothing wrong with doing that if you can afford it, but if you can afford it then don't let anyone make you defensive about it. Call a comic, a comic; and a car, a car.
 

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Sure, insult me. That's always a good way to make a point.

Uh, they ARE cars. Calling them 'luxury touring sedans' or 'performance sports automobiles' doesn't make them anything more or less. That example really doesn't help your case; it actually supports the position these 'simulations' are games by a fancier name. Like the phrase 'graphic novel', it just flags the speaker as trying to justify spending as much as he wants on what he desires. Nothing wrong with doing that if you can afford it, but if you can afford it then don't let anyone make you defensive about it. Call a comic, a comic; a car, a car; and ....
You are entirely correct, a car is a car, a horse is a horse of course. But in my case you will never get it...again :laugh: Plate, spacer what's the difference, they both slow down the car right?
 

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The reason all of these events put on by racing series during the shutdown are invitationals is that if they were opened up to the public for open qualification, few of the star drivers would make the field.
I suspect another reason is that if the field was full of skilled simulation players, the potential TV audience wouldn't know who they were or care about watching them.
 

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Plate, spacer what's the difference, they both slow down the car right?
From the grandstands and the recliner, correct. If a difference appears to make no difference to a spectator, why should he care? I'm not under the hood having to conform to NASCAR's standards. All I know is the cars are slower than without the gizmo, and all I'm seeing are pixels on a screen.

Try a different approach. Instead of trying to convince me there are differences in gaming vs. sim technology, tell me what I as a 'cars on the track' race fan would find this interesting.
 

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Uh, from your own example:

That's me, the general public. From the couch, on the TV, they look the same: a screen of computer-generated graphics. Very high end graphics, but graphics none the less. As a potential viewer, I don't much care what hardware generates the graphics or how the 'driver' controls it.
That pretty much sounds like watching a regular race on TV for me.
 

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That pretty much sounds like watching a regular race on TV for me.
Call me when they hit the track and I can go watch 'em make laps in front of me. TV has always been just the affordable substitute for being there live. I've long threatened my Darling Bride with the RV, track to track lifestyle. It won't happen, but I can dream.
 

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From the grandstands and the recliner, correct. If a difference appears to make no difference to a spectator, why should he care? I'm not under the hood having to conform to NASCAR's standards. All I know is the cars are slower than without the gizmo, and all I'm seeing are pixels on a screen.

Try a different approach. Instead of trying to convince me there are differences in gaming vs. sim technology, tell me what I as a 'cars on the track' race fan would find this interesting.
I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. We're stuck on the difference between a video game that you continue to call it and what I call it a simulation. I found it entertaining to watch myself and will continue to watch more races. But I and I am sure many others won't be watching when the government lifts the ban on fans and teams going to the track. I see it as keeping racing alive in the meantime.
 

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I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. We're stuck on the difference between a video game that you continue to call it and what I call it a simulation. I found it entertaining to watch myself and will continue to watch more races. But I and I am sure many others won't be watching when the government lifts the ban on fans and teams going to the track. I see it as keeping racing alive in the meantime.
Hey, as long as you enjoyed yourself, great! I don't get the appeal but if you do, have a good time. We obviously agree about what we're waiting on.
 

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Everyone else is dispensing actual information and having a discussion. Your petty passive aggressive snark isn't needed.
you seem to have your panties in a ruffle and I don't think you are qualified to say what is a discussion, what is kidding and in your case what is taking everything personal.
Yesterday you were whining about me personally attacking you. You throw an obvious one at Charlie in more than 1 post and now you’re crying when you’re called on it.

Everybody’s on edge. This would be a good time for you to check yourself.
 

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Yesterday you were whining about me personally attacking you. You throw an obvious one at Charlie in more than 1 post and now you’re crying when you’re called on it.

Everybody’s on edge. This would be a good time for you to check yourself.
no I was stating you were misquoting my post about racing and turning it into a corona virus post. Move on dude
 

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Stream it on Facebook live, I'll watch!
Ah, but that would require three things, in increasing order of unlikelihood:

1) Opening a Facebook account,
2) Learning how to stream with it, and
3) Caring enough if anyone watches to justify bothering with the first two. ;)

But c'mon by and I'll loan you my back-up pair of binos and guarantee you 25 species in two hours. Congaree National Park is still open. Heck, I'll even toss in a couple of burgers.
 

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I believe this is primarily because the people still working away from home (grocery and big box stores, warehouse, delivery couriers, etc.) are low wage earners. High income earners are suddenly stuck at home.
 

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FoxSports and the stooges in the booth need to understand the difference between presenting iRacing as a Good-Time Competition vs Joke.

Light hearted competition amongst serious competitors, with NASCAR's support, and sponsors that can elevate the events -- just shouldn't be that difficult.
 
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