NFL 2017-2018

I want the Jags to win and one reason is to see Brady throw a conniption fit. Nobody and I mean nobody is supposed to beat the self professed pass master.
I'll make up my mind about the other game when it starts.

GO JAGUARS.
 
Yeah don't go there Vikings fans
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I’ll be rooting for the Patriots today along with the Eagles. Patriots only because I have to root for someone in that matchup. The Eagles because of Pennsylvania pride.
 
I want to say Jags and Vikings but I wish Jalen Ramsey had kept his mouth shut this week. It's hard to pick against New England in this kind of situation.
 
I have added reason to watch and root for the Vikings since it sounds like Pat Shurmur is going to be the Giants' new HC. As if hating Philly wasn't enough already.
 
For what it's worth, I even seen a Pats fan today who said that Rodgers probably is a better talent. Only thing that hurt him is he gets hurt way to damn much.

This should be a great game.

GO JAGS.
 
Another point that is missed by people who try to dismiss Brady's success as being a product of Belichick, is Belichick has coached for 7 seasons without Brady as his QB. He went to the playoffs 1 out of 7 years. I still think he's the greatest coach, but you can't ignore that.
 
Blaze88 said:
For what it's worth, I even seen a Pats fan today who said that Rodgers probably is a better talent. Only thing that hurt him is he gets hurt way to damn much.

This should be a great game.

GO JAGS.
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Of course he has more athletic talent. QB is a lot about intangibles.
 
Michfan said:
Another point that is missed by people who try to dismiss Brady's success as being a product of Belichick, is Belichick has coached for 7 seasons without Brady as his QB. He went to the playoffs 1 out of 7 years. I still think he's the greatest coach, but you can't ignore that.
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But do you think like Andy, that Brady would have took the Browns to the Super Bowl or could? I'll put Brady in the top 5, maybe top 3...but I just don't see him as the GOAT.
 
Michfan said:
Another point that is missed by people who try to dismiss Brady's success as being a product of Belichick, is Belichick has coached for 7 seasons without Brady as his QB. He went to the playoffs 1 out of 7 years. I still think he's the greatest coach, but you can't ignore that.
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Brady = Greatest ever.

I don't get the hate for him.
 
Blaze88 said:
But do you think like Andy, that Brady would have took the Browns to the Super Bowl or could? I'll put Brady in the top 5, maybe top 3...but I just don't see him as the GOAT.
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The Browns went to the plaoffs 5 of the 6 years before Belichick took over. There was a reason Belichick got fired.
 
Michfan said:
The Browns went to the plaoffs 5 of the 6 years before Belichick took over. There was a reason Belichick got fired.
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This is about Brady tho, do you think if he had what the Browns had, and not what he has at New England he does as good?
 
Blaze88 said:
This is about Brady tho, do you think if he had what the Browns had, and not what he has at New England he does as good?
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I thought you brought the Browns up because that's where Belichick coached and got fired. Of course he wouldn't be as good, no one would be. It doesn't change that he's the GOAT. No other QB even in consideration for the GOAT has played the duration of their career for a team like the current Browns.
 
Michfan said:
Rodgers was healthy the 7 times he lost in the playoffs. Didn't reach the SB in any of those losses.
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That's a good point, but I don't know. I still feel Rodgers is a tad bit better. Honestly tho it's hard to say who's the best and who isn't. I mean when you can do what no else can do for the team, you're clearly one of the best. Which is why I say Brady is one of the best. But I'd like to see what some of these QB do with other teams, etc. Some of them could be better at other teams, some could be worse.
 
Blaze88 said:
That's a good point, but I don't know. I still feel Rodgers is a tad bit better. Honestly tho it's hard to say who's the best and who isn't. I mean when you can do what no else can do for the team, you're clearly one of the best. Which is why I say Brady is one of the best. But I'd like to see what some of these QB do with other teams, etc. Some of them could be better at other teams, some could be worse.
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If Brady and Rodgers were even close in terms of playoff production, I could see an argument. They are so far apart.
 
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