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Charlie Spencer said:
I spent 21 years defending it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The 1st Amendment applies only to government regulation of free speech. You're operating under a misconception that's become common in the Internet era, but the 1st A. has NOTHING to do with private publications. The 1A doesn't require anyone to provide you a forum, it only guarantees the government will not interfere with you should you create one of your own.
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without the members there is no foum.
 
Mopardh9 said:
without the members there is no foum.
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Oh, I agree completely, but that still doesn't give you any rights here.

If you don't like the way the forum is run, you have the Constitutionally protected right to fund and create your own forum, let people in for free or charge for access, and run it any way you want. But you have no rights, privileges, or authority to dictate how others choose to operate their forums, or even to ask for changes. Indeed, the operators are under no requirement to keep the site running and could shut it down at their whim at any time.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Oh, I agree completely, but that still doesn't give you any rights here.

If you don't like the way the forum is run, you have the Constitutionally protected right to fund and create your own forum, let people in for free or charge for access, and run it any way you want. But you have no rights, privileges, or authority to dictate how others choose to operate their forums, or even to ask for changes. Indeed, the operators are under no requirement to keep the site running and could shut it down at their whim at any time.
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I know this
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Apparently you didn't. You're the one who brought up rights and the Constitution, remember?
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The First Ammendment protects citizens from the government violating the right to free speech. It has absolutely nothing to do with this forum. If that were the case, it would be a violation of free speech Every time a post is edited or deleted. That's not the case. A person can post whatever they desire on here, it's open to the mods discretion to let it stay posted or not. And, the right to free speech doesn't promise anyone that others have to listen to them. Some seem to think they can pop off any goofiness they want, and everybody else should respect their thoughts. That doesn't happen in the real world. And @charliespenser, thank you for your service to this great country. Veterans and current service men and women are our finest.
 
mack said:
The First Ammendment protects citizens from the government violating the right to free speech. It has absolutely nothing to do with this forum. If that were the case, it would be a violation of free speech Every time a post is edited or deleted. That's not the case. A person can post whatever they desire on here, it's open to the mods discretion to let it stay posted or not. And, the right to free speech doesn't promise anyone that others have to listen to them. Some seem to think they can pop off any goofiness they want, and everybody else should respect their thoughts. That doesn't happen in the real world. And @charliespenser, thank you for your service to this great country. Veterans and current service men and women are our finest.
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The 1A is a bit of a sore spot for me. I'm proud to have served this country and fully support people exercising their Constitutionally secured rights. Sit for the anthem if you want, carry a firearm, bad-mouth the government, vote or don't vote, star in your own porno, worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, disagree with me until we're both blue in the face, try to have any or all of them legally changed; I don't care.

But I do care that people exercising those rights understand the benefits also come with limitations. As I noted earlier, many people today think the 1A allows them to spray paint whatever they want on someone else's private wall. It doesn't, regardless of who or what the owner may have previously alllowed. With few exceptions, 1A doesn't apply to private publication, including social media.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I really, really hope we can have a thread or section where we can speak of negative nascar subjects. That way if the apologists show up they know what they will be in for and can’t squeal like stuck pigs
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It is already there for you to use without using the CHAT section. I am thinking it isn't being used because the negative people want to spoil the CHAT section
 
IanMcVittie said:
I don’t care if the mods are from Mars or invisible as long as they are impartial. If there were enough capable people to do the job they should be rotated every quarter or so.
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If the current and former moderators were properly impartial you wouldn't be here.
 
I was thinking about the 2019 rules and the ensuing kerfuffle it caused here. My opinion is that the racing has been fine the past couple of years so don’t fix what isn’t broken. I think that the changes being made will cause cars to unnecessarily run in packs, rob horsepower and take away speed and there will be a lot more flat footing.

That is my opinion and I am happy to hear others.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I was thinking about the 2019 rules and the ensuing kerfuffle it caused here. My opinion is that the racing has been fine the past couple of years so don’t fix what isn’t broken. I think that the changes being made will cause cars to unnecessarily run in packs, rob horsepower and take away speed and there will be a lot more flat footing.

That is my opinion and I am happy to hear others but my opinion should not provoke you or make you mad and the same goes for me. I am not trying to change your opinion so don’t try and change mine. Better yet don’t move the goalposts in an exchange and don’t blow gaskets.
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lol.....forums always let the antifreeze into the oil.
 
Team Penske said:
I have never seen a forum close because a few negative people left. However we did see people leave a forum that was corrupted with negativity.
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I was on a professional tech forum for over a decade in the '90s and '00s. It had a dedicated international audience that for years was the most active membership of any similar site. People flew in from all over America and Europe for the site's tenth anniversary celebration.

Two years later they completely overhauled the GUI and forum engine. The place was effectively dead in three months. It's still successful financially, carrying plenty of useful content. But as a forum for the exchange of ideas, discussion of tech issues, troubleshooting and assistance, well ... nobody goes there any more.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I was thinking about the 2019 rules and the ensuing kerfuffle it caused here. My opinion is that the racing has been fine the past couple of years so don’t fix what isn’t broken. I think that the changes being made will cause cars to unnecessarily run in packs, rob horsepower and take away speed and there will be a lot more flat footing.

That is my opinion and I am happy to hear others.
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My opinion is that yours is off topic for this particular discussion. :p
 
IanMcVittie said:
I don’t care if the mods are from Mars or invisible as long as they are impartial. If there were enough capable people to do the job they should be rotated every quarter or so.
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The issue with that might be privacy. If the mods have the ability to look at the personal data of posters and their IP addresses then a large chain of people seeing that information or having access to it might not be what you want. It depends on how the forum is set up and what privileges the admin gives the mods behind the curtain.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I was on a professional tech forum for over a decade in the '90s and '00s. It had a dedicated international audience that for years was the most active membership of any similar site. People flew in from all over America and Europe for the site's tenth anniversary celebration.

Two years later they completely overhauled the GUI and forum engine. The place was effectively dead in three months. It's still successful financially, carrying plenty of useful content. But as a forum for the exchange of ideas, discussion of tech issues, troubleshooting and assistance, well ... nobody goes there any more.
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What is the GUI you speak of. You credit that with the demise?
 
IanMcVittie said:
There are many things that can be done but the quickest and easiest thing to do is put people that get your goat or offend you on ignore. This is not rocket science but it is quite telling that people would rather piss and moan about things then use the ignore feature.
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But once you've got two or three prolific posters on your ignore list, it becomes difficult to read the threads. Because the posts you DO see are replies to posts you can't see.
 
Towmater said:
The issue with that might be privacy. If the mods have the ability to look at the personal data of posters and their IP addresses then a large chain of people seeing that information or having access to it might not be what you want. It depends on how the forum is set up and what privileges the admin gives the mods behind the curtain.
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I have had more than one moderator spout off to other members things they should not have so I get you point.
 
Candace66 said:
But once you've got two or three prolific posters on your ignore list, it becomes difficult to read the threads. Because the posts you DO see are replies to posts you can't see.
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I have never had anyone on ignore but I see your point. There are a couple of people I don’t read as in the past I have found them dull so I just scroll through whatever they post.
 
I don't really understand the need to put anyone on a ignore list. I just look at the name under their avatar and if it is someone I don't care to read their post then I just move on to the next one...Just like I do with the topics I'm not interested in.
 
Team Penske said:
What is the GUI you speak of. You credit that with the demise?
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It was the interface for the forums. The site had been overhauled a few times previously over the years. Those times the support staff had polled the membership first for what features to keep or add, and had put up a beta site for user testing. This time they sprung the site on us without input or previews, and it didn't go smoothly. In their defense, the change was mandated by the parent company to better conform with their site. The feedback discussion was full of specific issues, mostly related to the forums interface. Response was slow to non-existent. The site has been overhauled again since then and I can no longer find the discussions from six years ago, but we were all explicit that we weren't happy with the forums. Discussions were no longer linked to the articles that spawned them, indented conversations were dropped from seven levels to three, two separate forum layouts in play depending on how you started a topic, etc. The traffic dropped from hundreds of discussions and thousands of responses a day to a few dozen. People didn't so much leave as just stop coming by.

Here's to the glory days of TechRepublic.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I don't really understand the need to put anyone on a ignore list. I just look at the name under their avatar and if it is someone I don't care to read their post then I just move on to the next one...Just like I do with the topics I'm not interested in.
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I'm happier if I don't see the comments from some people. Then I'm not tempted to try to straighten them out.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I really, really hope we can have a thread or section where we can speak of negative nascar subjects. That way if the apologists show up they know what they will be in for and can’t squeal like stuck pigs
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I don't believe there is any sentiment among the membership to prevent topics or opinions that are negative to Nascar. There are countless threads that include negative facts and opinions expressed by many members. It's an essential ingredient of a special-interest discussion forum.

OTOH, there are a few who insist upon repeating their favorite negative facts and opinions over and over in many different threads, regardless of being off-topic. Their goal is to "rub it in the face" of other members in order to disrupt discussion of other topics. This type of trolling has been a problem here forever, but has ramped up sharply since TRL stepped down as board policewoman. I hope the mods will deal harshly with trolls who constantly throw out stale, smelly bait hoping merely to trigger an angry reaction from other members.

This is a relatively small community. When one or a few individuals strive to entertain themselves by bullying and insulting other members, their intent quickly becomes plain for all to see. The mods should strive to deal with the few that display this type of intent. Just my $0.02.
 
It was done once before, but that poster was allowed to sneak back in under a different name to the same result as it was. And now here we are...again
 
LewTheShoe said:
I don't believe there is any sentiment among the membership to prevent topics or opinions that are negative to Nascar. There are countless threads that include negative facts and opinions expressed by many members. It's an essential ingredient of a special-interest discussion forum.

OTOH, there are a few who insist upon repeating their favorite negative facts and opinions over and over in many different threads, regardless of being off-topic. Their goal is to "rub it in the face" of other members in order to disrupt discussion of other topics. This type of trolling has been a problem here forever, but has ramped up sharply since TRL stepped down as board policewoman. I hope the mods will deal harshly with trolls who constantly throw out stale, smelly bait hoping merely to trigger an angry reaction from other members.

This is a relatively small community. When one or a few individuals strive to entertain themselves by bullying and insulting other members, their intent quickly becomes plain for all to see. The mods should strive to deal with the few that display this type of intent. Just my $0.02.
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You should take notice of the above Standonit.
 
StandOnIt said:
It was done once before, but that poster was allowed to sneak back in under a different name to the same result as it was. And now here we are...again
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Yeah, it's like the thief who sanded his fingertips to obscure his prints... It doesn't take long for the true identity to return, clearly visible to all who hang around here.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Yeah, it's like the thief who sanded his fingertips to obscure his prints... It doesn't take long for the true identity to return, clearly visible to all who hang around here.
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decided not to live by the rules of the forum and the existing mod. so he changes his name and slithers back in like nothing happened and in a short time is doing the same thing again over and over.
 
Mopardh9 said:
You should take notice of the above Standonit.
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I for one am very aware of @StandOnIt. I agree with him on many topics in the auto racing realm, and I disagree with him on some. In a few areas, we disagree very strongly. But he always loves racing, and that's good enough for me. It's never his goal to "put down" racing or those who like racing... in order to entertain himself... or stroke his ego as "superior" to others here.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I for one am very aware of @StandOnIt. I agree with him on many topics in the auto racing realm, and I disagree with him on some. In a few areas, we disagree very strongly. But he always loves racing, and that's good enough for me. It's never his goal to "put down" racing or those who like racing... in order to entertain himself... or stroke his ego as "superior" to others here.
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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