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Reducing speedway blow over my take on it.
The 9" tall speedway blade.
Roof flap tethered open @ 90* to the roof it should be allowed to open flat to 180* & have less effect on blow over.
9" tall model I made of the speedway blade.
What I think should happen to the speedway blade when your junk is traveling in the wrong direction.
 

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Reducing speedway blow over my take on it.
The 9" tall speedway blade.
Roof flap tethered open @ 90* to the roof it should be allowed to open flat to 180* & have less effect on blow over.
9" tall model I made of the speedway blade.
What I think should happen to the speedway blade when your junk is traveling in the wrong direction.
I like this idea
kudo's to you if it happens
have it patent' d yet
 

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Yeah, this confirms my assumption. It's a knee jerk reaction to Logano's flip, and I don't see how these changes offer a logical solution.

The roll bar makes sense though. That should have been mandatory to begin with.
I'm curious because Superspeedway racing as of late has been pretty good, for the most part.

Reducing power will probably encourage more blocking and maybe tighter racing? I'm not sure, I'm all for driver safety as well. Ensuring everyone goes home the same way they came in is best.

Track position will also have more importance as well, it will probably be harder to navigate through the field. Anyways, we'll see come Daytona.
 

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Texas since the repave has been producing some lackluster racing on the cup side anyway. It will be interesting to see if that changes for the better. I don't see how anything could make it worse. Trucks and Xfinity are still pretty good though.
 

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I'm just curious to know what their goal is. Reducing speeds by a few MPH probably won't keep the cars from flying
And now the cars will be closer together which increases the chances for more wrecks. Speed doesn't matter if cars hit each other at the right angle and one gets launched into the fence...I've seen it happen at my local short tracks many times.

Brian France is salivating over this and I'm perplexed as to how the current leadership is not taking unintended consequences into account.
 

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And now the cars will be closer together which increases the chances for more wrecks. Speed doesn't matter if cars hit each other at the right angle and one gets launched into the fence...I've seen it happen at my local short tracks many times.

Brian France is salivating over this and I'm perplexed as to how the current leadership is not taking unintended consequences into account.
What they should have done was take a few inches off the spoiler and left it at that, along with the new mandatory roll cage bar.
 

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Fans are in the stands. Seriously, what’s the delay in allowing practice and qualifying?
It's complicated for some, so lets go back to the jump. Nascar and the teams didn't even know if they were going to have races and if they did how many could come so they had to drastically cut expenses. Now teams have this thing they call a budget? And all of them agreed it would be a good thing for their survival to eliminate practice and qualifying except at new tracks on the schedule. Think wadded up 200 thousand Cup car in practice or qualifying not to mention the tire bill. If I had to guess, a half a million a car savings would be conservative probably way more than that if you include crew transportation and lodging for the full crews instead of the reduced ones they are using.
Probably should have gone the K.I.S.S. way instead of writing a book because next day or week somebody will be wondering the same thing.. It ain't going to happen this year. Budgets are set and terms are agreed on.
 

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And all of them agreed it would be a good thing for their survival to eliminate practice and qualifying except at new tracks on the schedule.
And I assume the only reason they qualify is that they have to practice at the new tracks. If the cars are already on the line for P, what's another couple of laps for Q?

It does raise the question of how IndyCar runs P and Q with teams bringing only one car to the track...
 

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It's complicated for some, so lets go back to the jump. Nascar and the teams didn't even know if they were going to have races and if they did how many could come so they had to drastically cut expenses. Now teams have this thing they call a budget? And all of them agreed it would be a good thing for their survival to eliminate practice and qualifying except at new tracks on the schedule. Think wadded up 200 thousand Cup car in practice or qualifying not to mention the tire bill. If I had to guess, a half a million a car savings would be conservative probably way more than that if you include crew transportation and lodging for the full crews instead of the reduced ones they are using.
Probably should have gone the K.I.S.S. way instead of writing a book because next day or week somebody will be wondering the same thing.. It ain't going to happen this year. Budgets are set and terms are agreed on.
Practice and qualifying will be back in 2022.
 

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Do you mean for a limited number of races like they're doing this year, or across the board for the entire season?

Personally, I think P&Q are dead and gone as standard features of each weekend.
I would think that would be tempting, bringing one car to the track and a smaller crew is a big money saver. With the new car you only need one anyway. It will be the short track, the road racing car, the 1'5er and the super speedway car. No longer will teams be able to build specific cars for specific tracks. One car fits all.
 

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Do you mean for a limited number of races like they're doing this year, or across the board for the entire season?

Personally, I think P&Q are dead and gone as standard features of each weekend.
Sounds to me like P&Q will be back.
“…Miller told SiriusXM NASCAR Radio on Monday that practice and qualifying would likely be suspended at least through events scheduled Aug. 21-23 at Dover International Speedway…”
 

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I would think that would be tempting, bringing one car to the track and a smaller crew is a big money saver. With the new car you only need one anyway. It will be the short track, the road racing car, the 1'5er and the super speedway car. No longer will teams be able to build specific cars for specific tracks. One car fits all.
I assume they'll continue to put the gas fill on the right for road courses. But otherwise, yeah.
 

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I assume they'll continue to put the gas fill on the right for road courses. But otherwise, yeah.
I read about it but I still don't understand how Nascar is going to be able to keep them having air and track clearance under the car. I think, but not sure that there is an advantage to having the cars up off the track because of the way they designed the underside. I am more curious about that than if they practice or qualify.
 

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Jr made some interesting points when discussing his opinions on the car. Said horsepower really doesn't matter, that you've gotta get drag on the front of the car instead of the rear and remove sideforce. I gotta say, I agree entirely
 

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Jr made some interesting points when discussing his opinions on the car. Said horsepower really doesn't matter, that you've gotta get drag on the front of the car instead of the rear and remove sideforce. I gotta say, I agree entirely
flat footers aren't going to like that round here.
 

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flat footers aren't going to like that round here.
Well there's more to it than just HP. You can see this even on iRacing, car clearly yaws out and you lean on that through the turns. That's why the "high line" is so incredible at some tracks, you've got that air bubble off the wall reacting with the side force
 

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Well there's more to it than just HP. You can see this even on iRacing, car clearly yaws out and you lean on that through the turns. That's why the "high line" is so incredible at some tracks, you've got that air bubble off the wall reacting with the side force
That is going to happen with the new car also when close to the wall, but to a smaller extent. They aren't going to have the large flat rear quarter panel, but they will have a quarter panel to exploit. Teams are going to be trying every trick in the book to get some yaw (more than the other guy) out of the cars on the ovals.
 

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That is going to happen with the new car also when close to the wall, but to a smaller extent. They aren't going to have the large flat rear quarter panel, but they will have a quarter panel to exploit. Teams are going to be trying every trick in the book to get some yaw (more than the other guy) out of the cars on the ovals.
And with the new composite panels, getting into the wall isn't going to be as damaging.
 

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That is going to happen with the new car also when close to the wall, but to a smaller extent. They aren't going to have the large flat rear quarter panel, but they will have a quarter panel to exploit. Teams are going to be trying every trick in the book to get some yaw (more than the other guy) out of the cars on the ovals.
I will say I think this year has been excellent at showing that changing the tracks are just as important as changing the cars. The schedule had been so stale for so many years that teams were able to get an advantage from years of experience. I hope next year we take on tracks like Eldora & Iowa that allow us to continue mixing things up
 

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flat footers aren't going to like that round here.
Flatfooting isn't a result of just low HP. It's the HP and the track configuration that make it possible.

But the horsepower is cheaper, easier, and faster to adjust, esp. when modifying the tracks comes out of NASCAR's pocket.
 
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