Return of the "3"

gordonite said:
Hey new fans and Andy. There was a guy named Dale Earnhardt that raced in the previous era and we're gonna talk about him.


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I like your point but you lose credibility whenever you use dumfuk Joe Biden for effect. Jus' sayin' :)
 
Numbers are definitely a lot more representative and meaningful in NASCAR than in other forms of sports. People knew Dale as the 3 car. People know Jeff Gordon as the iconic 24 car. Nobody knows Tom Brady as simply the guy who wears 12. Sure, that may be his number, but those numbers don't seem to mean as much as they do in NASCAR. The numbers are the representation for the driver on merchandise, and on the cars they drive.

However, it is weird that this seems to be an issue exclusively with Dale Sr, which I do assume is because of the tragic nature of his death. Nobody cares that 43, 11, etc. are used today, presumably because those drivers are still alive. There seems to be this weird sense of godliness when it comes to Dale Sr. among a segment of the fan base, and the idea that nobody should ever run the number 3 in NASCAR again is strange to me. And to deny that this outrage over Dillon running the number has nothing to do with Dale Sr. being dead is silly, because you know if Sr. was alive and well this probably wouldn't be an issue.
 
DSquad48 said:
Numbers are definitely a lot more representative and meaningful in NASCAR than in other forms of sports. People knew Dale as the 3 car. People know Jeff Gordon as the iconic 24 car. Nobody knows Tom Brady as simply the guy who wears 12. Sure, that may be his number, but those numbers don't seem to mean as much as they do in NASCAR. The numbers are the representation for the driver on merchandise, and on the cars they drive.

However, it is weird that this seems to be an issue exclusively with Dale Sr, which I do assume is because of the tragic nature of his death. Nobody cares that 43, 11, etc. are used today, presumably because those drivers are still alive. There seems to be this weird sense of godliness when it comes to Dale Sr. among a segment of the fan base, and the idea that nobody should ever run the number 3 in NASCAR again is strange to me. Just my opinion.
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Car numbers and jersey numbers should never be compared.
I already said the 43 should have retired with Richard Petty.
IMO, Dale Jr. should be the only other guy to drive the 3. Does he want to? No. Woody Dillon has grape nuts. He does not have the balls to adequately represent the 3.
Richard Petty wears the cowboy hat with the feathers. Should Kyle Petty wear the same hat? No. Kyle Petty should never be mentioned in the same paragraph with Richard Petty.
Things that do not belong together should never be linked together in any way. JMO.
 
BobbyFord said:
Car numbers and jersey numbers should never be compared.
I already said the 43 should have retired with Richard Petty.
IMO, Dale Jr. should be the only other guy to drive the 3. Does he want to? No. Woody Dillon has grape nuts. He does not have the balls to adequately represent the 3.
Richard Petty wears the cowboy hat with the feathers. Should Kyle Petty wear the same hat? No. Kyle Petty should never be mentioned in the same paragraph with Richard Petty.
Things that do not belong together should never be linked together in any way. JMO.
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Yep - as I was saying, car numbers (especially the way they're stylized) are representations of the drivers...they aren't simply numbers used to differentiate team members like in other sports. I would probably sympathize less with the people complaining about the 3's return if it was stylized differently, but having the number displayed on the car the same way it was displayed on Sr's...I can see how that's off-putting to a lot of fans.
 
blanston said:
I believe I let my love of alliteration get the best of me in that duck commander thread and I posted that. I thought it was you who laughed at me for it but maybe not. It was actually pretty ridiculous and made me laugh at how out of hand the thread got. Anyway, I was quoting you to laugh at me. That's the tomato on me face.
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No problem been there and probably did worse myself.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yeah, let's running off new fans because YOU can't deal with the fact that they don't bow to the ground below Earnhardt's feet.

I'm standing up for the sport as a whole here. It's more than just one dead guy.
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I've yet to hear any post-Dale era NASCAR fan say "NASCAR sucks. I'm done with this sport because they talk way too much about that Dale Earnhardt."
 
MaxKansas said:
The only reason the #3 is so popular and famous is because of his death from not wearing the HANS device (optional at the time) which could of stopped his whiplash. Before the death not that any people were big fans of Sr. It's the same thing with Jr. After his father died he became popular. Not because of personality or driving skill, just because of his father.
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Wow, just wow.

See, the thing is, even those that weren't his fans (like me, I was a Rusty fan), respected the man for what he could do in a race car. I wasn't a Sr fan, and February 18, 2001 is a day I'll never forget. His death, whether you loved him or hated him, still had an impact on you if you were a NASCAR fan.

If he wasn't that popular, it would have been a brief segment on the news like Adam Petty or Kenny Irwin's, but no, there was hour long segments about him on ESPN, TIME magazine covers, LIFE magazine, etc. That's like saying Jordan, Gretzky, Ruth, or Elway wasn't popular.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's fair. I'm merely saying, you now have fans coming in to the sport that don't know who Earnhardt was or weren't around when he raced. Fine that they know the history. Not fine with me that the sport revolves around Earnhardt. We are in a brand new NASCAR era. New car, new playoff system, new qualifying system, new everything. But FOX is stuck in February 18, 2001 along with a whole lot of fans.

It'd be like telling kids who are 13-years-old that they should remember everything about what happened on that terrible Tuesday morning and have the same emotional connection to the significance of that day that the rest of us have. It's absolutely not possible.
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What? I came into the sport not knowing Richard Petty's story but I heard his name a lot & did my own research and watched plenty of YouTube videos. Now I hold the same respect for him that the generation before me did. Sure, Petty is alive & Earnhardt isn't but there is enough history to look up on Earnhardt for the newer fans to enjoy. Have faith in the sport man
 
BobbyFord said:
Woody Dillon has grape nuts. He does not have the balls to adequately represent the 3.
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Dale Sr had his legacy with the 3, now why can't Dillion make his own legacy? Just like Gordon will have his own legacy with the 24, and if Chase Elliot takes it over he will have his own legacy. Even if he wrecks every weekend for 10 years - that's HIS legacy with the 24, not Jeff Gordon's. See what I'm saying. You're linking the 3 to Dale like "anyone who drives the 3 should race with the same tenacity he did". What if Dillion is the cleanest racer and wins 7 championships, is that not ok? The 3 was Earnhardt's number then (he would have been retired now anyway if he didn't die) and now the 3 belongs to Dillion.
 
The thing that really will suck is that EVERY time Austin Dillon does ANYTHING he will be compared to Dale. It's not really fair to him because there's no way he'll live up to Dale.. and even though no one necessarily expects him to, he will always be compared to him.
 
I have no problem with the 3 coming back, but I do agree with what many are saying about the style of the number. I think that probably should have been changed. Perhaps RCR should have dusted off the "Piedmont 3". Even though Earnhardt had this font of 3 briefly, it's not the one he's most known for. Plus, it would still pay homage to a piece of RCR history.
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ToyYoda said:
I have no problem with the 3 coming back, but I do agree with what many are saying about the style of the number. I think that probably should have been changed. Perhaps RCR should have dusted off the "Piedmont 3". Even though Earnhardt had this font of 3 briefly, it's not the one he's most known for. Plus, it would still pay homage to a piece of RCR history.
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Yeah but then he wouldn't get the PR :D I don't think anyone can say part of this isn't for RCR to get some coverage. Even if it's just a small part.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
The thing that really will suck is that EVERY time Austin Dillon does ANYTHING he will be compared to Dale. It's not really fair to him because there's no way he'll live up to Dale.. and even though no one necessarily expects him to, he will always be compared to him.
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Poor Dillon getting compared to Dale every time he does something. lol
That's like feeling bad for Danica because people look at her as a sex object even though she willingly posed for hundreds of sexy pictures.

Dillon wanted the number. If he didn't want to race under the shadow of Earnhardt he would have picked a different number.
 
I find all the bickering absolutely hilarious. We may like/dislike Richard's and Austin's decision to bring the number back, but in the end
our like/dislike doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

So they make a pile of money --- that's nothing new. So the media milks it for all it's worth --- that's nothing new.

I have to side with Dale Jr., it's time to get it back on the track.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
The thing that really will suck is that EVERY time Austin Dillon does ANYTHING he will be compared to Dale. It's not really fair to him because there's no way he'll live up to Dale.. and even though no one necessarily expects him to, he will always be compared to him.
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Boohoo. Dillon knew that's what he was getting into when he decided he wanted that number.
 
UPDATE: Team owner Richard Childress talked to Dale Earnhardt's mother Friday and feels he has her support to have his grandson racing Earnhardt's famous #3 in the Sprint Cup Series. Childress is bringing back the #3 to Cup racing this year with grandson Austin Dillon behind the wheel. Dillon has raced the number throughout his NASCAR career but the Daytona 500 next week will be the first Cup race with the #3 on the track since Earnhardt died in the 2001 Daytona 500. Dillon will drive one car that is black, white and red when sponsored by Dow and another that is yellow and black when sponsored by Cheerio's. While the number is slanted in the #3 style that Earnhardt drove to six of his seven Cup titles, it will never be an all black car, Childress said Saturday. He said he talked to Martha Earnhardt on Friday, a couple of days after her comments on "RaceHub."
"I understand her feelings," Childress said Saturday in the Cup garage. "We've talked. She doesn't have a problem with him running. What she said is (she) doesn't want it to look exactly like Dale's car, solid black.Her and I talked yesterday. Everything is great." Earnhardt's family has been generally supportive about the return of the #3. Dale Earnhardt Jr. has been a vocal proponent for the number coming back. He said Thursday he had not talked to his grandmother about her feelings. "We haven't talked about that," Earnhardt Jr. said. "I'm sure that's got to stir up a lot of emotions for a lot of different people. Some will be stronger than others, and that's just up to the individual."(SceneDaily)(2-16-2014)
 
Any how I voiced my opinion about the 3 and it hasnt changed and it never will. I will continue to dislike anything RCR even though d-bag Harv is gone.
 
On FOX Sports 1 earlier, Kenny Wallace said it would be "a tragedy" if Austin Dillon didn't win the pole in the #3 car.

This stuff is out of control.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
On FOX Sports 1 earlier, Kenny Wallace said it would be "a tragedy" if Austin Dillon didn't win the pole in the #3 car.

This stuff is out of control.
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He also said that Daytona 500 qualifying wasn't "all car" because "The driver could blow the engine going through the gears coming off pit road." Sounds like something his nephew might do, but not a Cup driver.
 
ztevans said:
He also said that Daytona 500 qualifying wasn't "all car" because "The driver could blow the engine going through the gears coming off pit road." Sounds like something his nephew might do, but not a Cup driver.
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I don't understand why Steve is so terrible in NASCAR. Put that boy in a Super Late Model and he can do things that would put Jimmie Johnson in awe.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't understand why Steve is so terrible in NASCAR. Put that boy in a Super Late Model and he can do things that would put Jimmie Johnson in awe.
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I have zero evidence or research to back this up, but it seems like getting into NASCAR from a feeder series would be more daunting than, say, sports car or open-wheel racing. In other formats, road courses are road courses. The cars change, the circuits get trickier, but the same concepts apply. For stock cars, there's only so many series running speedways, and if you don't have money pushing you they only give you so many attempts to figure them out before you get tossed aside.

I might be oversimplifying it, though. Just spitballing.
 
ztevans said:
I have zero evidence or research to back this up, but it seems like getting into NASCAR from a feeder series would be more daunting than, say, sports car or open-wheel racing. In other formats, road courses are road courses. The cars change, the circuits get trickier, but the same concepts apply. For stock cars, there's only so many series running speedways, and if you don't have money pushing you they only give you so many attempts to figure them out before you get tossed aside.

I might be oversimplifying it, though. Just spitballing.
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These brobdingnagians they race on aren't anything like short tracks either. This is the main reason why I'm not sold on Chase Elliott. I like him, good driver, hell of a shoe, but this isn't Super Late Model racing and I don't think these cars are anything like they used to be because they race on open wheel tracks.

There's also the whole Straight-Rail vs. Perimeter debate which I won't have here but I think drivers who learn in Perimeter cars (which are run mostly in the Southeast) would have more success if they got a chance (like Denny Hamlin) because those cars are bulkier.
 
te="FenderBumper, post: 726962, member: 5680"]I think this involves 3 different afflictions. Stetsonphobia, Dillaphobia and Trisaphobia.[/quote]
Dont forget Doofusphobia, Woodieephobia,and Spoonfedaphobia.
 
I'm done being nice. The same people who complain about Danica-hype are the same ones hyping Dillon and talking endlessly about Earnhardt. THEY might be sick of hearing about Danica. The rest of us are sick of hearing about Earnhardt all the time for the last 13 years.
 
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