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Good to know they were doing their job.I was fortunate enough to get a media pass for the Cup race. The Goodyear people were closely watching what was going on.
Good to know they were doing their job.I was fortunate enough to get a media pass for the Cup race. The Goodyear people were closely watching what was going on.
It was clever how the 23 made those seals blow out, right?The 23 magically had another failure 4 laps before he would have passed the 18. The 22 had been riding around then all of a sudden it was real close on points with the 12 making it and suddenly they had to retire.....
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Nothing surprising about that. Most circuses have ... (wait for it) ... trained seals!It was clever how the 23 made those seals blow out, right?
If I remember correctly he failed a seal, they fixed it, Kyle blew up, the 23 was running and would have passed the 18, then another failure.....It was clever how the 23 made those seals blow out, right?
This has been a thing for a few years, but cup racing without tire wear still feels wrongI'll take a soft tire with fall off over rocks. With a hard tire guys have to get aggressive with tire pressure and camber because you take tire conservation away from them. Give them a tire that falls off and they can manage handling throughout a run instead of having to other things to gain an advantage because old tires are as fast as new ones.
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Was Truex in on the scheme? Also, can you tell me what they were trying to accomplish?If I remember correctly he failed a seal, they fixed it, Kyle blew up, the 23 was running and would have passed the 18, then another failure.....
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Do you actually watch the races? Depending at which point in time the #18 was back and forth with being above the cutoff. If the #23 ran a handful of additional laps he would have passed the #18 hurting his chances of making the playoffs.Was Truex in on the scheme? Also, can you tell me what they were trying to accomplish?
I'd like to see us going in the direction of softer tires with more grip and more wear.
Just because something appears one way doesn't mean that's actually what's happening.Do you actually watch the races? Depending at which point in time the #18 was back and forth with being above the cutoff. If the #23 ran a handful of additional laps he would have passed the #18 hurting his chances of making the playoffs.
I'm not making this stuff up. Listen to DBC this week they discussed it
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Not trying to derail the thread, just showing how important tires are.
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I'm not a tire guy but is that possible? A softer tire would initially have more grip, but wear faster.I'd like to see them go in the direction of LESS grip and more wear. High corner speeds are killing good racing, and I like watching drivers swatting flies and hanging out the right rear.
When the 23 blew the seals why didnt he just park it? Had a great excuse to do so and I watch every race and could give crap what Brett and Freddie say, its a show. For this stuff to be true 23XI and Gibbs would have to be in Cahoots and like I said above as soon as Ty had trouble it was a perfect opportunity to call it a night. I dont buy it.Do you actually watch the races? Depending at which point in time the #18 was back and forth with being above the cutoff. If the #23 ran a handful of additional laps he would have passed the #18 hurting his chances of making the playoffs.
I'm not making this stuff up. Listen to DBC this week they discussed it
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EXACTLYJust because something appears one way doesn't mean that's actually what's happening.
DBC, like most for-profit media presentations, makes money based on the number of content consumers they can attract and retain, not on the accuracy of what they present.
We want the same thing but softer tires obviously will have more grip but wear faster than a hard tire will. Softer tires will falloff quicker and give us the action we are looking for. I'd also like to see them come up with a tire and a formula where we can reduce the number of sets without jeopardizing safety.I'd like to see them go in the direction of LESS grip and more wear. High corner speeds are killing good racing, and I like watching drivers swatting flies and hanging out the right rear.
We want the same thing but softer tires obviously will have more grip but wear faster than a hard tire will. Softer tires will falloff quicker and give us the action we are looking for. I'd also like to see them come up with a tire and a formula where we can reduce the number of sets without jeopardizing safety.
I honestly dont know why they went away from the bias ply. Ok, yes I do but Goodyear selling radial street tires and their marketing strategies shouldnt interfere with what NASCAR does at the track. Everybody hated those damn things Including Earnhardt who was very vocal against themI'm not a compound expert either, but it seems like you could make a tire soft enough to wear, but with a compound that would have a low friction number. As I said before, Goodyear has already built a street tire that was soft enough to wear out prematurely yet have no wet weather grip. It was the 1980's Eagle GT. The one issue I have with limiting sets of tires is that 36 cars all running around on worn tires is only slightly better than 36 all on new tires. Having enough sets that teams will take a chance on losing track position for the speed of new tires makes the racing that much better. Dale Jr. brought up a great point this week on the Download. If you wanted better racing for stock cars on ovals, going to a wider tire with a short sidewall is the LAST thing you would do. Honestly, radial tires might be the worst thing that ever happened to short track racing.
Hoosier did it. But they were way too smart to use the better tires.$$$$$$$$.I'm not a compound expert either, but it seems like you could make a tire soft enough to wear, but with a compound that would have a low friction number. As I said before, Goodyear has already built a street tire that was soft enough to wear out prematurely yet have no wet weather grip. It was the 1980's Eagle GT. The one issue I have with limiting sets of tires is that 36 cars all running around on worn tires is only slightly better than 36 all on new tires. Having enough sets that teams will take a chance on losing track position for the speed of new tires makes the racing that much better. Dale Jr. brought up a great point this week on the Download. If you wanted better racing for stock cars on ovals, going to a wider tire with a short sidewall is the LAST thing you would do. Honestly, radial tires might be the worst thing that ever happened to short track racing.
I’ve always said we need multiple compounds like the other major series. A soft/hard combination on a weekly basis would be awesome for the sport in my opinion. Too many guys at Bristol were able to gain position and hold it simply by not pitting until they’re ready to blow. If the recent pitters had a faster/soft compound to use, they would’ve blown by the folks staying out on the trackWe want the same thing but softer tires obviously will have more grip but wear faster than a hard tire will. Softer tires will falloff quicker and give us the action we are looking for. I'd also like to see them come up with a tire and a formula where we can reduce the number of sets without jeopardizing safety.
One of the great things about Hoosier is they don't have any retail image to protect, so as long as the sanctioning bodies that mandate their tires are pleased with the product, it doesn't really matter what John Q. Public thinks. We ran bias ply tires on the short tracks with ARCA at least through 2003, can't really say how long after that. One of the other benefits of the bias ply tire, is they were massively cheaper than the radials we had to run on the speedways. If I recall they were like $400 a set versus $1600 a set. A few of the radial compounds were treacherously hard when new and cold, but after you knocked the shine off and got a little heat in them, they were fine. In my years there, you just didn't see much tire issues at all. The tires would lose a lot of speed, but you could run them forever, and some did.I honestly dont know why they went away from the bias ply. Ok, yes I do but Goodyear selling radial street tires and their marketing strategies shouldnt interfere with what NASCAR does at the track. Everybody hated those damn things Including Earnhardt who was very vocal against them
That's also probably the reason they're not in nascars top series. Without the consumer side they don't have the money to be the "official tire of nascar"One of the great things about Hoosier is they don't have any retail image to protect, so as long as the sanctioning bodies that mandate their tires are pleased with the product, it doesn't really matter what John Q. Public thinks. We ran bias ply tires on the short tracks with ARCA at least through 2003, can't really say how long after that. One of the other benefits of the bias ply tire, is they were massively cheaper than the radials we had to run on the speedways. If I recall they were like $400 a set versus $1600 a set. A few of the radial compounds were treacherously hard when new and cold, but after you knocked the shine off and got a little heat in them, they were fine. In my years there, you just didn't see much tire issues at all. The tires would lose a lot of speed, but you could run them forever, and some did.
Possibly. My thought on that is if EVERY move you make is based on the revenue stream it provides, the sport will never be what it could be.That's also probably the reason they're not in nascars top series. Without the consumer side they don't have the money to be the "official tire of nascar"
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Possibly. My thought on that is if EVERY move you make is based on the revenue stream it provides, the sport will never be what it could be.
Just to be clear ...
Just to be clear ...
I guess in his defense (good or bad) if you have a 600 race history of knowing that Goodyear is very conservative on tire psi recommendations you would think you would be ok if you stayed within your previous marginI got away with it before...
So ... just keep on cheating the Goodyear numbers?I guess in his defense (good or bad) if you have a 600 race history of knowing that Goodyear is very conservative on tire psi recommendations you would think you would be ok if you stayed within your previous margin
So ... just keep on cheating the Goodyear numbers?
Crew chiefs don’t pay the crash damage bills.
Obviously, the cheat number for the 18” low aspect ratio tires now in use is different than the numbers Rodney used in the past.And crew chiefs who don't push the margins usually don't win and don't have their jobs very long. Rodney didn't get to make 600 crew chief starts by being a choir boy. To paraphrase Dale Jr. "If you are not pushing everything to the absolute limit and a little beyond, I don't want you as my crew chief" and Chad Knaus relating a comment Alan Gustafson made to him; "Being a winning crew chief means ALWAYS being a little bit uncomfortable with what you have put on the car."
And your recommendation is based on what? None of us know what how much under teams that had problems were running under. Heck I'd be surprised if the guys that didn't have problems were at the recommended number. If you run everything safe you won't even stay on the lead lapObviously, the cheat number for the 18” low aspect ratio tires now in use is different than the numbers Rodney used in the past.
I humbly recommend 0 as the number to use.
My number is based precisely on the left / right side cold air pressure figure recommended by the tire manufacturer.And your recommendation is based on what? None of us know what how much under teams that had problems were running under. Heck I'd be surprised if the guys that didn't have problems were at the recommended number. If you run everything safe you won't even stay on the lead lap
At least as a starting point. If that works, take it down a pound on the next set. Repeat until the next track, then start over.I humbly recommend 0 as the number to use.
Why are you stating the obvious? Everyone knows you push the envelope but when things unfold right before your eyes week after week and you continue to push said envelope you get what you get. Evidently several crew chiefs have figured it out and are still running upfront and winning without destroying the car.And crew chiefs who don't push the margins usually don't win and don't have their jobs very long. Rodney didn't get to make 600 crew chief starts by being a choir boy. To paraphrase Dale Jr. "If you are not pushing everything to the absolute limit and a little beyond, I don't want you as my crew chief" and Chad Knaus relating a comment Alan Gustafson made to him; "Being a winning crew chief means ALWAYS being a little bit uncomfortable with what you have put on the car."
100% FalseAnd your recommendation is based on what? None of us know what how much under teams that had problems were running under. Heck I'd be surprised if the guys that didn't have problems were at the recommended number. If you run everything safe you won't even stay on the lead lap
The million dollar question is "how much is too much, and does it very by driver, by tire, by track condition?" What may be perfectly fine in one situation may get you burnt somewhere else. Take the 9 for example. They had ZERO tire issues at Bristol and nearly won. Went to Texas and knocked the wall down. Were they doing the same thing, something different? Only a handful of guys know, and they aren't talking.Why are you stating the obvious? Everyone knows you push the envelope but when things unfold right before your eyes week after week and you continue to push said envelope you get what you get. Evidently several crew chiefs have figured it out and are still running upfront and winning without destroying the car.
You can laugh all you want. Its being done every weekend without wiping their stuff out plus they run upfront.100% False
They know, but greed and hope over rides good judgement.The million dollar question is "how much is too much, and does it very by driver, by tire, by track condition?" What may be perfectly fine in one situation may get you burnt somewhere else. Take the 9 for example. They had ZERO tire issues at Bristol and nearly won. Went to Texas and knocked the wall down. Were they doing the same thing, something different? Only a handful of guys know, and they aren't talking.
IMO all of the above. Some guys manage equipment better than others, the junk the put on the tracks matter, the tire matters....The million dollar question is "how much is too much, and does it very by driver, by tire, by track condition?" What may be perfectly fine in one situation may get you burnt somewhere else. Take the 9 for example. They had ZERO tire issues at Bristol and nearly won. Went to Texas and knocked the wall down. Were they doing the same thing, something different? Only a handful of guys know, and they aren't talking.