SILLY SEASON 2018

DaBiff1618 said:
My guess would be a ride buyer from the lower divisions or guy that brings guaranteed sponsorship: Allgaier, Sadler, Ryan Reed seem like possibilities. Or maybe Crafton
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I think you hit the nail on the head, sounded like Haas has the door open for those possibilities. Cherry picking those drivers, if I were he, Reed would be way down on the list, he is involved in too many wrecks.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
My guess would be a ride buyer from the lower divisions or guy that brings guaranteed sponsorship: Allgaier, Sadler, Ryan Reed seem like possibilities. Or maybe Crafton
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I'd like to see Allgaier get another shot in Cup. He's a decent driver. Might surprise in quality equipment.
 
utvol0427 said:
I think he'd do well. He'd get better results in the #10 than what SHR is currently seeing.
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Gene may end up taking discounted sponsorships to keep all 4 teams going and make up the shortfall through his businesses. IDK how they are fixed sponsor wise for next year but a ride ride buyer like Paul Menard would be ideal to step into the 10 or 41 car.
 
I'm going to throw out some wacky predictions:

Danica Patrick to the 5
Kasey Kahne to the 10
Aric Almirola to the 37
Chris Buescher to the 77
Erik Jones to the 20
Matt Kenseth to the 43
Matt Crafton to the 88
 
DIDIT said:
Is Bubba a possible candidate for this ride? It would kind of be appropriate for him to replace Danica from a Corporate perspective.
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Teams would sign Bubba IF HE GETS A SPONSOR. Looks like sponsors
are not lining up fer him.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I'm going to throw out some wacky predictions:

Danica Patrick to the 5
Kasey Kahne to the 10
Aric Almirola to the 37
Chris Buescher to the 77
Erik Jones to the 20
Matt Kenseth to the 43
Matt Crafton to the 88
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I predict your wrong in every case.
 
Allenbaba said:
No idea what he's referring to. But I still predict many big shakeups.
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Does one of your predictions include Matt Kenseth having a high quality ride for 2018? I sure hope so! He's having a crappy season and at his age I'm finding myself getting nervous about it. Put my mind at ease, please ;)
 
I dont think NASCAR bans Cup participation in Xfinity but we'll see. Better option would be to just make 10 specific races that involve Cup drivers.
 
Allenbaba said:
No idea what he's referring to. But I still predict many big shakeups.
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Any insight on Kurt's options if he can't work out a deal with SHR? I think he'd do better if he went to the 77, but I remember you saying FRR low-balled him or something like that in 2013, so I don't see that happening.
 
I have to believe Kurt will be in the 41 for atleast 2-3 more years. I just don't see him going anywhere. Maybe a slim chance to Hendrick.
 
Ayy said:
Any insight on Kurt's options if he can't work out a deal with SHR? I think he'd do better if he went to the 77, but I remember you saying FRR low-balled him or something like that in 2013, so I don't see that happening.
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Honestly, if Kurt can't work out a deal with SHR, he might be in trouble. I just don't see another landing spot for him. The #1? RCR? All seem like long shots. 77 isn't an option for him even if he wanted it.
 
Yep that is why I wondered when this came out if Kurt's performance is all he's got, or if he will step it up a notch. Best way to keep racing is to start running up front.
 
Allenbaba said:
Honestly, if Kurt can't work out a deal with SHR, he might be in trouble. I just don't see another landing spot for him. The #1? RCR? All seem like long shots. 77 isn't an option for him even if he wanted it.
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Be a shame if Kurt does not get a seat, he's too good of a driver to just get tossed to the waistside. I hope he gets some sponsorship going soon and stays at SHR.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yep that is why I wondered when this came out if Kurt's performance is all he's got, or if he will step it up a notch. Best way to keep racing is to start running up front.
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I would argue that in this day and age, the best way to keep racing is to be tied to a sponsor. The (potential) problem for Kurt is that his sponsor decided to sponsor the entire series. If Monster still wants to remain on a car, Kurt will be just fine.
 
Allenbaba said:
I would argue that in this day and age, the best way to keep racing is to be tied to a sponsor. The (potential) problem for Kurt is that his sponsor decided to sponsor the entire series. If Monster still wants to remain on a car, Kurt will be just fine.
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I agree 100% as running up front is great but being tied to a sponsors is the ultimate hedge against unemployment.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yep that is why I wondered when this came out if Kurt's performance is all he's got, or if he will step it up a notch. Best way to keep racing is to start running up front.
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8 top 10s' and 2 top 5s'.

Running up front is not an issue for Kurt.
 
Kiante said:
8 top 10s' and 2 top 5s'.

Running up front is not an issue for Kurt.
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I think the natural inclination is for people to think that if you do a job well you get to keep it but that is not the deciding factor in Nascar. Being able to attract and maintain sponsorship is paramount in remaining employed as a driver.
 
Allenbaba said:
I would argue that in this day and age, the best way to keep racing is to be tied to a sponsor. The (potential) problem for Kurt is that his sponsor decided to sponsor the entire series. If Monster still wants to remain on a car, Kurt will be just fine.
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sponsors like to sponsor cars that win races and have their name in victory lane. Reading the article from Gene Haas not having a sponsor is not the end all, if other deals cane be made support from Ford and a driver that can win races a little money can be made. That is an underlying problem IMO. Some drivers once they get a sponsor spend more of their efforts pleasing the sponsor than racing on the f'ing track.
 
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StandOnIt said:
sponsors like to sponsor cars that win races and have their name in victory lane. Reading the article from Gene Haas not having a sponsor is not the end all, if other deals cane be made support from Ford and a driver that can win races a little money can be made. That is an underlying problem IMO. Some drivers once they get a sponsor spend more of their efforts pleasing the sponsor than racing on the f'ing track.
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Some sponsors are there to win races and have their name in victory lane...however most are not there for that. There are many other reasons. As for "some drivers once they get a sponsor spend more of their efforts pleasing the sponsor than racing on the f'ing track"........what does that even mean????? There is no correlation.
 
Hmm you say most of the sponsors aren't there to have a winning car in victory lane. So you answered your own question and what I said. Once some drivers get a sponsor, pleasing the sponsor is more important than winning races. I call them wheel holders.
 
Maybe @Allenbaba has more info but sounds like Gene is intent on keeping the four cars. Even if three of them had fulltime Haas sponsorship.
 
Allenbaba said:
Some sponsors are there to win races and have their name in victory lane...however most are not there for that. There are many other reasons. As for "some drivers once they get a sponsor spend more of their efforts pleasing the sponsor than racing on the f'ing track"........what does that even mean????? There is no correlation.
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The "some drivers once they get a sponsor spend more of their efforts pleasing the sponsor than racing on the f'ing track" doesn't make sense to me either. Every driver has sponsorship obligations but I can't think of a case where a driver would become so focused on pleasing his sponsor that it would detract from wanting to do his best on track.

There have been drivers like Kenny Wallace, Kenny Schrader, Michael Waltrip who have had long careers in Nascar but not a lot of wins so it is apparent that winning is not the most important thing when it comes to obtaining a sponsor.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Maybe @Allenbaba has more info but sounds like Gene is intent on keeping the four cars. Even if three of them had fulltime Haas sponsorship.
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yeah if nothing else that part wasn't grey area and sounded pretty positive. The part I wonder about is if both Kurt and Danica don't have decent funding, will there be one or even two driver changes. There are drivers out there, Plane boy for one that do come with a large dowry.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Maybe @Allenbaba has more info but sounds like Gene is intent on keeping the four cars. Even if three of them had fulltime Haas sponsorship.
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What may end up having to happen is the manufacturers may have to start writing larger checks to account for the shortfall in sponsorship dollars if they want certain teams to field a certain number of cars. JMO but if I were Ford I would be a lot more excited to throw some extra bucks at Team Penske and have them field 3-4 very good cars as opposed to 1 decent, 2 average and 1 loser car at SHR.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah if nothing else that part wasn't grey area and sounded pretty positive. The part I wonder about is if both Kurt and Danica don't have decent funding, will there be one or even two driver changes. There are drivers out there, Plane boy for one that do come with a large dowry.
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I have to believe it's 99.9% a done deal that Danica is gone. Just waiting for all the logistics....I think Kurt is 51% back as of now but alot of dominos have to fall and Monster likes to renegotiate around January so it might be a very late non eventful announcement if it happens.
 
StandOnIt said:
Hmm you say most of the sponsors aren't there to have a winning car in victory lane. So you answered your own question and what I said. Once some drivers get a sponsor, pleasing the sponsor is more important than winning races. I call them wheel holders.
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Again, there's no correlation. I would agree with your statement if most of these guys were only there to collect a paycheck. Then yes, pleasing the sponsor and keeping your job would be the only thing that mattered.

But... since I know many of them personally, and know what motivates them, I'm going to disagree with that. Performance is all (most of them) care about. Getting paid simply isn't enough. They are competitors. The back marker team drivers only care about cracking the top 20, and getting a top 20 ride, the top 20 drivers only care about cracking the top 10, and getting a top 10 ride, and the top 10 guys only care about winning.

But, if you want to think all they care about is pleasing a sponsor, we'll just agree to disagree and move on...
 
Fordracing7 said:
Maybe @Allenbaba has more info but sounds like Gene is intent on keeping the four cars. Even if three of them had fulltime Haas sponsorship.
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I have heard that if Monster isn't on board (and they can't replace them in short order), they'll likely be a 2 car team. Like most things I say here, that doesn't make it a fact. It's just what I've been hearing from those in the know at this particular date in time.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
What may end up having to happen is the manufacturers may have to start writing larger checks to account for the shortfall in sponsorship dollars if they want certain teams to field a certain number of cars. JMO but if I were Ford I would be a lot more excited to throw some extra bucks at Team Penske and have them field 3-4 very good cars as opposed to 1 decent, 2 average and 1 loser car at SHR.
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Honestly once that car gets a new driver it's going to be atleast average. I think Ford is committed to both Penske and SHR equally and not one or another or will be at any point in time.
 
Although some organizations have downsized recently due the rising costs of racing, Haas has no plans of eliminating any of his four Cup squads.

“I think, financially, running four teams makes sense, because with this new charter system we’re paid money to run the cars not only from NASCAR (purses) but with our relationship with Ford,” Haas said.

https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-c...d-look-dramatically-different-in-2018-924200/
 
I have a feeling that another sponsor or her current sponsors will up the ante this year. I really think she runs out her contract in '18 and then retires. I hope with a win and.or a couple top 5s. Results have been happening of late, I just hope its not too late
 
Fordracing7 said:
Honestly once that car gets a new driver it's going to be atleast average. I think Ford is committed to both Penske and SHR equally and not one or another or will be at any point in time.
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I agree but if I had to hitch my wagon to one horse it would be Team Penske. If SHR can obtain sponsorship from someone other than a ride buyer they can retain Kurt and put someone else in the 10 but at this point those are pretty big Ifs, IMO.
 
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