Sports TV ratings, etc. Random sports talk

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  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I post to show that almost all sporting events that I know of are losing fans. I have no idea why they are but it is what it is. The author below seems to think he has the answers,.

    70 million is a 15 year low.
    That’s not good for MLB either. Attendance dropped by 4 percent this season, falling below 70 million for the first time since 2003

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ce-length-games-spell-trouble-mlb/1592862002/
     
  2. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I know one sport that would kill for a 4% loss of interest each year. The question isn’t who is losing but at what rate.

    Regarding interest in most sports being down this is what I found in about 2 minutes.

    Yearly NFL attendance was 17.33 million in 2008 and 17.26 in 2017

    NFL TV ratings dropped from 2010 to 2017 but apparently are up this year.

    NBA attendance has broken records for 4 consecutive years and viewership is up 8% this year.

    Obviously the above just scrapes the surface but I think it shows that in terms of fans the NBA and NFL are not hurting.

    IDK what NASCAR’s numbers are for the last 5-10 years but I suspect they have dropped a lot more than the NBA or NFL
     
  3. StandOnIt

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  4. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Add it to the list. FOX has already dissolved partnerships with IMSA and the WEC this year as well.

     
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  5. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    I'd be surprised if Fox renews with NASCAR at this rate. They're looking like ESPN did a few years ago, dropping motorsports left and right.

    Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the next contract was either ESPN and NBC or just ESPN.
     
  6. FLRacingFan

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  7. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/11/monday-night-football-ratings-chiefs-rams/

    Check out those monster local ratings in KC as well, and the high local numbers in rival NFL markets for both teams.
     
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  8. FLRacingFan

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  9. Mopardh9

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  10. Johnny G

    Johnny G Team Owner

    What do you mean by too political? Not picking just wondering. I live in Canada so i dont get ESPN on tv but i use their website everyday.
     
  11. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    I don't want to get this moved to the podium or anything, but lets just say they went too far left.
     
  12. StandOnIt

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  13. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    The lower World Series ratings didn’t seem to hurt MLB and the NBA is in great shape. Even the little NHL is doing well with Seattle set to join the league in a couple of years. Vegas just joined and paid 3/4 of a billion for a franchise and Seattle will spend a billion. What do you think it would cost to by a Nascar charter?
     
  14. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I'm surprised that you are dismissive of ratings declines... being the preacher of the sermon about how the numbers don't lie. Perhaps you don't believe them, Nielsen has an agenda, etc.

    It's also odd that you would compare an NHL franchise to a Nascar charter, as these two things are not similar. The mainstream stick-and-ball sports have much greater popularity than a niche thing like auto racing.

    The "Big 4" mainstream sports have enormous advantages built in... their plug-and-play athlete development system funded by taxpayers from a young age; the "home team effect" that fuels their popularity; continual coverage by mainstream media; and an ownership league structure that turns all that into cash flow for the franchise. If those things make it better for you, then have at it. OTOH, fans of racing are comfortable in a niche situation. They tend not to need the mainstream crowd to validate their opinions about what they like.
     
  15. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Lewis! I wasn’t dismissive about MLB’s ratings I just said it didn’t hurt them. Read about the contract they just signed and it should be self explanatory but fingers crossed!

    The NHL is a niche sport but they demonstrate that being a niche sport isn’t synonymous with plummeting popularity. Maybe we will have to rename Nascar a micro niche. Kinda catchy eh?
     
  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I guess lying comes easy

    Despite a slight bump on NBC, NHL viewership hit a multi-year low in the regular season.
    NHL regular season games averaged 417,000 viewers across NBC, NBCSN and NBC’s digital platforms, down 12% from last year (474K). As noted by Sports Business Daily, it was the lowest average since at least 2010-11.
    Though viewership declined overall, the NBC broadcast network posted a slight bump for its 12-game schedule. The network averaged 1.29 million viewers (including streaming), up 4% from last year’s record-low 1.29 million (15 telecasts).
    That is still the second-lowest NHL average on a broadcast network since at least 2009-10 — and a 17% drop from two seasons ago (1.5M).
    http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/04/nhl-viewership-nbc-nbcsn-regular-season/
     
  17. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I don’t dispute anything you posted but the NHL is primarily a regional sport carried on regional and home networks. The real question to ask is why are multi millionaires lined up to pay millions and millions for francises. Vegas just entered and Seattle is on the way. In Nascar lucrative sponsors are running away like scalded dogs and a third of the grid is glorified field filler. Sorry!
     
  18. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    In fairness you were speaking of tax payer funded entities on the wrong thread. Speaking of which there would probably be more support for a taxpayer funded stick and ball endeavor up in Picher then something Nsscar related in Charlotte.

    The NHL is a niche sport that just kills Nascar in total attendance and home viewership. The NHL is rife with optimism with new teams being added and games played overseas. The average Nascar fan is your age, sponsors are leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship and the series gets smaller each year. At best it is a micro niche that gets more micro with each passing day.

    I have to see a man about a dog today but I will try and check in and see how you are doing periodically. Have a good one and get out and get some fresh air.
     
  19. FLRacingFan

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  20. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Wow.

     
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  21. ToyYoda

    ToyYoda Team Owner

    They make a pretty good point in the article though about the effect Lebron going to the Lakers has had on the ratings. A lot of Lakers games don’t end until around 1am eastern time, he was a lot easier for people to watch when he was in Cleveland and Miami. Also interesting is that the team with the league’s best record is the Toronto Raptors, and Canadian TV markets aren’t included in the Nielsens.
     
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  22. StandOnIt

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  23. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Without breaking out into an essay, I will summarize it in that stick-and-ball ratings are more cyclical in nature depending on what teams/markets are doing well at the time. That first article is also from midway through the 2016-2017 season, not the most recent 2017-2018 season that finished with increases both locally and nationally.

    The NCAA Men's Final Four also rotates between CBS (odd years) and TBS (even years) so that'll also fluctuate up and down from year to year.
     
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  24. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Tsk tsk, such an agenda, such hateful exaggeration and hyperbole. I can't imagine why someone who loves mainstream sports like NHL and NFL comes to a racing fan site to tell us racing is less popular among the masses. We don't care about that. Racing fans are comfortable deciding what we like without needing the stick-and-ball masses to validate that it is good.
     
  25. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Stick and ball ratings definitely have ebbs and flows where Nascar’s elevator has gone one way for many years.
     
  26. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    All I’m saying is that it is incorrect to call Nascar a niche sport. It is correct to call the NHL a niche sport though. The reason for this is that the NHL, while small potatoes, is large compared to Nascar. None of this should upset you in the least so why does it?
     
  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I don't think anybody is upset, but if the NHL who BTW is smaller than Nascar had to support themselves without Government socialism, it might make a comparison. BTW you are the only one who continues to bring Nascar into this thread so if anybody is upset it sure looks like yourself. That ought to tell the other posters something. I show the numbers,
     
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  28. FLRacingFan

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  30. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    @StandOnIt what do you think about Seattle being awarded an NHL franchise at a cost of 650 million? Not bad for a niche sport eh?
     
  31. FLRacingFan

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  33. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I'm excited you? Your quite a seat counter I hear. not to worry though more taxes will make up the difference.
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  34. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    This will drive you nuts but the NYI you showed in the picture are getting a new arena as they are playing in the basketball Barclays Stadium now. A brand stinkin new arena for an up and coming team! A great deal for the citizens of NYC
     
  35. IanMcVittie

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  36. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    12 million Americans watched that shitshow last night on Fox? And another million on NFL Network?
     
  37. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    The Jags are on my no watch list this year so I was not one of the millions that tuned in.
     
  38. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    I turned it off in the second quarter. Team has finally broke me.
     
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