Talledega Pre Race Thread

Hmmm, guess you missed the early 90s of IndyCar racing where you had Lola, Reynard, Swift, Penske, etc. building their own chassis and Ford-Cosworth, Chevrolet, Mercedes-Illmor, Toyota, Honda building chassis. Teams would show up at Indianapolis with special-built chassis like the Menard and engines like the Buick. NASCAR uses 1 chassis and 4-5 engines with minute differences. IndyCar uses 1 chassis and 2 engines. F1 isn't that bad yet, every team has to build their own chassis though half the teams are using Renault or Ferrari engines.
sorry I disagree with your story of good ol days. Despite all the variety you say there was, it was the same in Nascar BTW, there were only a couple of three combinations that were dominating the racing. Lola and Penske with chassis, Ford and Chevy motors with a few what they called stock block Buicks.
 
sorry I disagree with your story of good ol days. Despite all the variety you say there was, it was the same in Nascar BTW, there were only a couple of three combinations that were dominating the racing. Lola and Penske with chassis, Ford and Chevy motors with a few what they called stock block Buicks.
No way, it changed from year to year. Every chassis (except for maybe the Swift) and every engine was good one year or another. Those big block Buicks stunk. No big block engine ever did anything at Indy until Penske's super secret Mercedes Ilmor of '94.
 
Had one of the best races/finishes under NASCAR's version of push to pass with the tandem racing. I liked it but it seems that many did not.
Please don't insult NASCAR by comparing the driver skill required for tandem racing to the video game gimmick of limiting available horsepower in a RACECAR until the driver pushes a button on the steering wheel.
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Had one of the best races/finishes under NASCAR's version of push to pass with the tandem racing. I liked it but it seems that many did not.

Its alot more fun watching 15-20 cars coming up on the checkers not knowing who the bleep will win the thing.

The two car tandem became too predictable.
 
There is no way everyone will ever agree on which version of plate racing they prefer or if they even like restrictor plates at all :D
 
Its Friday and at this point I just want to see a damn race -------------- with a few restarts thrown in of course:D
 
that looks like push to pass to me.:)

Yellow line rule has been the best thing in a while at RP races.

With the hardcore blocking already going on you dont really want to push it by eliminating the yellow line here. They'll go down the inside walls trying to block someone. lol
 
Yellow line rule has been the best thing in a while at RP races.

With the hardcore blocking already going on you dont really want to push it by eliminating the yellow line here. They'll go down the inside walls trying to block someone. lol
The yellow line "rule" is just another thing for NASCAR to be inconsistent about. Regan Smith should have two career Cup victories right now.
 
Please don't insult NASCAR by comparing the driver skill required for tandem racing to the video game gimmick of limiting available horsepower in a RACECAR until the driver pushes a button on the steering wheel.
I think my comments were beyond your comprehension.
 
The yellow line "rule" is just another thing for NASCAR to be inconsistent about. Regan Smith should have two career Cup victories right now.

How so?

Which was the other instance in which he should have won another race like that? You're not reffering to the one where he jumped the restart right?
 
What are you showing me FL? He made the pass under the yellow line.
 
What are you showing me FL? He made the pass under the yellow line.
Because he was forced down. Hence why Keselowski held his line when Edwards came down on him the very next time they raced there. And look at what happened then.
 

ya can't really count that one. Tony knew he couldn't pass legally under the line. Now, if they removed the yellow line rule on the last lap, Regan would have won..but I Think Tony would have run him down to the grass. Removing the yellow on the last lap would widen the track and give the leaders more to defend coming to the line.
 
ya can't really count that one. Tony knew he couldn't pass legally under the line. Now, if they removed the yellow line rule on the last lap, Regan would have won..but I Think Tony would have run him down to the grass. Removing the yellow on the last lap would widen the track and give the leaders more to defend coming to the line.
I think we're in agreement here. Typically the interpretation is you can't advance your position below the line unless you were forced down there, and Tony certainly did force him. For Regan, it was go below the line or let Tony fly into the stands.
 
Because he was forced down. Hence why Keselowski held his line when Edwards came down on him the very next time they raced there. And look at what happened then.

I saw that as an agressive block which is ok in my book.

Regan put himself in that position. Making a move like that knowing he couldn't pass unde the line and he still made the move. He forced himself down there. Tony just did the usual blocking.

It was go under the yellow or wreck Tony. We know what he chose.

And the Edwards thing was a lack of awareness on his part. He left a huge gap in which Brad could make the move without going over the line. Edwards simply came down on him and Brad didn't give an inch.

Two different scenarios imo.

 
I think we're in agreement here. Typically the interpretation is you can't advance your position below the line unless you were forced down there, and Tony certainly did force him. For Regan, it was go below the line or let Tony fly into the stands.
that is why I said remove the yellow line on the last lap. It is OK IMO to use it to keep somebody behind you during the race and for less wrecking, but on the last lap you can use the whole track to try to pass. Tony would have probably ran him down to the grass anyway, but he might have been able to set up a pass on the right if he had the whole track for the last lap. The banking doesn't allow much inside racing below the yellow line anyway, almost instant spin out, but the long straight is good and wide.
 
I missed cup qualifying for the race and just now saw the results. What the heck happened here? Out of the top 10, there are at least 8 names that I would never have expected to be on that list. The only two that didn't surprise me are JPM and frankly, Danica (she seems to qualify well at plate tracks). I suppose that someone might be able to make the case that Dillon, Hornish and Burton shouldn't be surprises as well.

1 - 51 Justin Allgaier(i)
2 - 93 Travis Kvapil
3 - 98 Michael McDowell
4 - 14 Austin Dillon(i)
5 - 12 Sam Hornish Jr.(i)
6 - 10 Danica Patrick #
7 - 31 Jeff Burton
8 - 33 Landon Cassill(i)
9 - 38 David Gilliland
10 - 42 Juan Pablo Montoya
 
I missed cup qualifying for the race and just now saw the results. What the heck happened here? Out of the top 10, there are at least 8 names that I would never have expected to be on that list. The only two that didn't surprise me are JPM and frankly, Danica (she seems to qualify well at plate tracks). I suppose that someone might be able to make the case that Dillon, Hornish and Burton shouldn't be surprises as well.

1 - 51 Justin Allgaier(i)
2 - 93 Travis Kvapil
3 - 98 Michael McDowell
4 - 14 Austin Dillon(i)
5 - 12 Sam Hornish Jr.(i)
6 - 10 Danica Patrick #
7 - 31 Jeff Burton
8 - 33 Landon Cassill(i)
9 - 38 David Gilliland
10 - 42 Juan Pablo Montoya
Qualifying is tomorrow. Those are final practice results. A lot of drivers ran very few laps or sat out entirely.
 
Dega is one of my favorite tracks but I personally don't think that plate tracks belong in the chase. Too many things outside a driver's control can unfairly upset the standings.
 
No. More skill and less luck was exciting to watch. The radios got out of hand, but that was an easy fix.
It wasn't natural, watching two cars together like that was like watching train racing at the local track in CO. They would have 3 cars chained and braced together, the front car would have the engine, the middle car was empty, and the rear car would have the brakes. They raced the figure eight track, was hilarious, and dangerous too, when I see Tandem that is all I can think of, it belongs in the trash, it was a poor excuse for racing.
 
Dega is one of my favorite tracks but I personally don't think that plate tracks belong in the chase. Too many things outside a driver's control can unfairly upset the standings.
That's exactly why it should be in the Chase, need that one race where things can really get mashed up....the wildcard.
 
That's exactly why it should be in the Chase, need that one race where things can really get mashed up....the wildcard.

Here I dont agree so much.

Plate racing unbalances the scales too much in one direction. Luck.

You can honestly win the first 5 races, come into dega and find yourself out of the lead.
 
Here I dont agree so much.

Plate racing unbalances the scales too much in one direction. Luck.

You can honestly win the first 5 races, come into dega and find yourself out of the lead.
True ......without it though I think the Chase becomes hohum, at least with it in the format you know things will be shaken up.
 
True ......without it though I think the Chase becomes hohum, at least with it in the format you know things will be shaken up.
Yeah, I too think that the unpredictability of Talladega warrants its inclusion in the chase.

Its one of my favourite races to watch.
 
It wasn't natural, watching two cars together like that was like watching train racing at the local track in CO. They would have 3 cars chained and braced together, the front car would have the engine, the middle car was empty, and the rear car would have the brakes. They raced the figure eight track, was hilarious, and dangerous too, when I see Tandem that is all I can think of, it belongs in the trash, it was a poor excuse for racing.

It had it's down side for sure. I really enjoyed it when it first started out and was reserved mainly for the end of the race. It did give us some of the greatest photo finishes ever. Was it 2010 when 6 cars were packed into the photo finish pic, with Jeff, JJ and Carl getting over within a couple of feet of each other?
 
It had it's down side for sure. I really enjoyed it when it first started out and was reserved mainly for the end of the race. It did give us some of the greatest photo finishes ever. Was it 2010 when 6 cars were packed into the photo finish pic, with Jeff, JJ and Carl getting over within a couple of feet of each other?
This is the finish that stands out too me with the tandem racing.

 
Here I dont agree so much.

Plate racing unbalances the scales too much in one direction. Luck.

You can honestly win the first 5 races, come into dega and find yourself out of the lead.

I used to feel the same way, but now I like how much tension it brings to the chase. There is a safer way to run this race. Sometimes safe pays off, like it did for Brad last year. Carl played it too safe in 2011 and it cost him a championship.

Most people are thinking about a wreck shaking things up, but it could be a situation where Harvick goes all out and wins while JJ and Matt play it safe and finish outside the top 15.
 
Plate racing is as much of a skill as any other style of racing, it's just a different kind of skill. People saying it's all luck are wrong IMO. Does it take some luck? Sure, but it's not a coincidence you see guys like JJ, Kenseth, Smoke always near the front at go time.

I think it should be in the Chase because it's a type of racing that NASCAR has always had and is at the core of what NASCAR is all about. Really, it's the wrecks that are all a wildcard, and the guys at the front are usually able to stay out of them so I don't see it as anything to do with luck. What I see it as is the great equalizer, more than any of track outside of Daytona, the most amount of cars have a legit shot at winning and that's great if you ask me. They just need to fix this whole follow the leader thing and make passing easier.
 
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 19:
ON TRACK
-- 12:10 p.m. ET, NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Coors Light Pole Qualifying, FS2 (follow live)

-- 4 p.m. ET, fred’s 250 powered by Coca-Cola (94 laps, 250.4 miles), FS1 on air at 3:30 p.m. ET (follow live)

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-- 11:40 a.m. ET Talladega Announcement
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