Texas RACE thread

StandOnIt said:
sheet man, they have seats over on the backstretch all the way around also. They don't use them and keep everybody on the other side. But they can seat that many. they were trying to get Texas Oklahoma game in the infield, that is what the kink in the straight in front of the stands was put there for. Place is huge for a 1.5, much bigger than Kansas unless you count the casino across the street.
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There were people in the backstretch seats. They weren't full, but it's still open unlike the Superstretch seats at Daytona for the 400.
 
hecklers, wankers, toadies, what ever they call themselves always are quick to point out at a big track the empty seats, big track like Texas can have 100 thou and look empty, but at a small track with 80 thousand, oh man look at all the people. Fool yourself, you aren't fooling me, I have been to way to many races at bigger tracks.
 
There is easily a half a mile of people in the bottom photo, not knocking M'ville but there are as many or more people right there than at that race, and there is at least a 1/4 of a mile of people not in the shot.


 
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The row that my dad and I sat in was empty until a group of people in the row in front of us noticed and decided to move back. We were row 41, section 416 (barely on the other side of the bend from the S/F line).
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
The row that my dad and I sat in was empty until a group of people in the row in front of us noticed and decided to move back. We were row 41, section 416 (barely on the other side of the bend from the S/F line).
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were there any people seated on the other side of the track today dylan?
 
You mean the backstretch? Very few people (as usual). As far as the front stretch, I've never seen it so empty during a Cup race besides the time the race was postponed because of rain.
 
They have had the other side closed every time I've been there. I went to a truck/indy car race in the 90's and it was about half full one time.
 
ToyYoda said:
The Dallas area puts on three great parades every year: The Cotton Bowl parade on New Years Day, and the two Texas races.
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Minor rant: Texas Motor Speedway is not in the Dallas area. It's in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (or Fort Worth area). Fort Worth is its own major city and isn't a part of Dallas.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Minor rant: Texas Motor Speedway is not in the Dallas area. It's in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (or Fort Worth area). Fort Worth is its own major city and isn't a part of Dallas.
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Only experience I've had in the Dallas area is the DFW airport, so you would know better than I.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Minor rant: Texas Motor Speedway is not in the Dallas area. It's in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (or Fort Worth area). Fort Worth is its own major city and isn't a part of Dallas.
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That's quite the pet peeve from folks that live in the Dallas area isn't it? :p

I have a few friends from Texas and they have such pride and always, always correct people that get Fort Worth and Dallas area mixed up. :D

Quite funny honestly.
 
years ago, driving thru there at night, there was a separation of lights between the two, they are about twenty miles apart, now they have grown together, can't tell where one ends and the other begins. People know Dallas, but not as many know where Ft. Worth is for some reason. Guess that is why Ft. Worthians are touchy about it.:p
 
all right you two. had to go to wiki, interesting though, I didn't know Ft worth was in 5 counties.
Fort Worth is the 16th-largest city in the United States of America and the fifth-largest city in the state of Texas.[8] Located in North Central Texas, the city is a cultural gateway into the American West and covers nearly 350 square miles (910 km2) in Tarrant, Denton, Johnson, Parker, and Wise counties—serving as the seat for Tarrant County. According to the 2010 census, Fort Worth had a population of 741,206.[5][9][10] The city is the second-largest in the Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington metropolitan area.
 
It says that the track is in Justin, Texas..wonder if Justin Boots are made there? and it is in Denton County

The AAA Texas 500 is held each year at Texas Motor Speedway in Justin, TX

And then in another place it says Ft. Worth.

Texas Motor Speedway is a speedway located in the northernmost portion of the U.S. city of Fort Worth, Texas – the portion located in Denton County, Texas.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
The row that my dad and I sat in was empty until a group of people in the row in front of us noticed and decided to move back. We were row 41, section 416 (barely on the other side of the bend from the S/F line).
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That's from someone who was there @StandOnIt. I know you hate short tracks and love boring brobdingnagians but, the attendance sucked. Period.
 
StandOnIt said:
There is easily a half a mile of people in the bottom photo, not knocking M'ville but there are as many or more people right there than at that race, and there is at least a 1/4 of a mile of people not in the shot.


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The top picture is from 2012. The bottom picture is from 2011. #fail

Also, Texas is in the middle of a metropolitan area of several million people. Martinsville doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of population surrounding it.

Texas Motor Speedway should be pulling in 12 times the number of fans as Martinsville. It's not. If TMS was pulling in the grandiose numbers they claim, you'd literally be able to fit the entire Roanoke Metropolitan Area (Martinsville's main market) population there.
 
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@StandOnIt We can argue about Martinsville, attendance, population and what not all night long. I live here and go to at least two races at Martinsville a year, not counting the countless races I go to at South Boston, Motor Mile, Franklin County and Ace. You watch the races on TV.
 
I 'm not arguing anything, junior, and you keep putting words in my mouth, I have nothing against M'ville, said so when I posted the pic. But if I did, I am man enough to keep my mouth shut and not whine like a baby on the race thread so others can enjoy the race. Be a man and keep your mouth shut. I think you've got to have a serious mental problem to watch something you can't stand to watch and bitch the whole time.

What I said was that at small tracks with 80 thousand they look full..and they are. A track like Texas can have 80 thousand and look empty. You get 80 thousand for a ball game and nobody bitches, baseball parks are for the most part

empty, so why the constant wank from your happy ass about attendance every week anyway. I have to think it is nothing but a troll job...BTW here is a current pic of Texas race, like it makes a hoot. Remember you are the one crying about almost every track

Nascar has, calling for the demise of the racing, wanting tracks and venues constantly changed, and predicting doom and gloom to whomever will listen. But remember this Jr., I will call you on your B.S. every time, I have forgotten more about racing then you

know, have been and participated in more races than you have even thought about going to. Now, take a look with your little beady eyes, that isn't but half way down the front stretch about at the finish line. You have never been to Texas, but you are a Texas

attendance expert, I have been there many times, back when you were crapping yellow I was here. If all you have been to are small tracks, you have no idea how large these venues are. Here's the freakin link : there is my proof, I'm done

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/11/03/aaa-texas-500-november-3-2013/
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Attendance looks pretty good to me.

Is an 80,000 seat track sell out better the a 200,000 seat @ 50% capacity? Good question.
 
#17D500winner said:
Attendance looks pretty good to me.

Is an 80,000 seat track sell out better the a 200,000 seat @ 50% capacity? Good question.
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Same here. It sure wasn't empty. If they could put in a racier track with stacked stand seating, they could probably fill it.
Tracks get 60% of the TV money, so ratings are more important than ticket sales.
 
#17D500winner said:
Attendance looks pretty good to me.

Is an 80,000 seat track sell out better the a 200,000 seat @ 50% capacity? Good question.
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Potential sponsors are probably wary of it, and right now Texas is still looking for a sponsor for next year's spring race.
 
The penalty report from Texas says that #20 was penalized for pitting before pit road was open
 

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StandOnIt said:
If you read between the lines, Andy is nothing but a nascar troll, let him cry and stomp his feet, and bang his head against the wall. He is like a broken record..nascar sucks nascar sucks, tv coverage sucks, no people no people, nascar is doomed. funny fellow. and BTW Phoenix is sold out, but they have some room on rattlesnake hill..now what toadie? you have TV coverage sucks, boring race, and Nascar sucks left to crybaby about..


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Andy isn't in the Toadie club, it's an exclusive club with only a few forum members.
 
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FenderBumper said:
Same here. It sure wasn't empty. If they could put in a racier track with stacked stand seating, they could probably fill it.
Tracks get 60% of the TV money, so ratings are more important than ticket sales.
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Texas isn't a racetrack. It's a massive entertainment complex. We need to move away from that model.
 
you need to move away from that model and watch what you like instead of crying about almost every track that Nascar has.
 
I can deal with the cookie cutter tracks from time to time. That being said, they shouldn't have SO MANY of them. We need more of a variety of tracks. A few more short tracks, a couple more road races would be nice. I believe it was Harvick who said no track should have two dates. Open the schedule up to new tracks.
 
Stewart Fan said:
I can deal with the cookie cutter tracks from time to time. That being said, they shouldn't have SO MANY of them. We need more of a variety of tracks. A few more short tracks, a couple more road races would be nice. I believe it was Harvick who said no track should have two dates. Open the schedule up to new tracks.
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^ this.

If yesterday's racing product wasn't the norm and last week's racing product wasn't the exception, I think it'd be easier to deal with the cookie cutter tracks. Half these tracks were built with open wheel racing, not stock car racing, in mind.
 
A 1.5 mile track means more seats, suites and campers. It's all about the money.

money vs. fans, guess which one wins.
 
Best race I saw this year so far was a road race in Nationwide series. Does that mean I hate all the rest of the tracks? Be kinda stupid wouldn't ya think. I do think we will get more road races out of Nascar in the future. saw a good truck race on dirt..do we need all truck races on dirt, not for me anyway, saw a good road race also in the truck series. Do we need more little tracks? ya got me, seems like there are enough 1 mile or less to go around. they have it pretty equal on their sizes, little short on road courses but pretty close all in all.
 
StandOnIt said:
There is easily a half a mile of people in the bottom photo, not knocking M'ville but there are as many or more people right there than at that race, and there is at least a 1/4 of a mile of people not in the shot.


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I feel bad so many people had to waste their money watching that race live.
 
Smittydoot said:
A 1.5 mile track means more seats, suites and campers. It's all about the money.

money vs. fans, guess which one wins.
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That's the thinking that got nascar into their present mess. Bristol does it without going 1.5. Build a real stadium with 3 tiers for more seating, but don't sacrifice the show for gate income when TV is what really pays the bills. EXPAND to NEW markets, then expand to 2 divisions and have a real playoff.
 
StandOnIt said:
Best race I saw this year so far was a road race in Nationwide series. Does that mean I hate all the rest of the tracks? Be kinda stupid wouldn't ya think. I do think we will get more road races out of Nascar in the future. saw a good truck race on dirt..do we need all truck races on dirt, not for me anyway, saw a good road race also in the truck series. Do we need more little tracks? ya got me, seems like there are enough 1 mile or less to go around. they have it pretty equal on their sizes, little short on road courses but pretty close all in all.
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So you don't there there are entirely too many cookie cutter tracks?
 
FenderBumper said:
That's the thinking that got nascar into their present mess. Bristol does it without going 1.5. Build a real stadium with 3 tiers for more seating, but don't sacrifice the show for gate income when TV is what really pays the bills. EXPAND to NEW markets, then expand to 2 divisions and have a real playoff.
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Fender just hit the nail on the head.

These 1.5 mile tracks just don't turn anyone on. They're just not good races. We can blame the car all we want but it doesn't matter. They sucked with the fourth generation car, they sucked with the fifth generation car and they still suck with the sixth generation car. The tracks are too big and too wide for stock car racing. Half the tracks are open wheel tracks anyways.

Makes no sense to take a product that was built on short tracks and put it on tracks built for 220 mph cars. IndyCar puts on a good show at Texas and at Michigan, Chicago and Kansas when they raced there. NASCAR never has and never will.
 
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