The latest Twitter war

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Topaz

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What does everyone else think of the latest Twitter war between Brad and the Toyota camp? Personally I think it's time for Chevy and Ford to park the cars and not show up for the rest of the season. I think it's pretty clear NASCAR gave Toyota an edge going back to Kentucky. I get pretty tired of seeing this. Every so many years it changes from one make to another. NASCAR is just killing itself in the long run. I want to see good tight racing between all the manufacturers and not just one. Brad's good at calling it out and the Toyota driver's are good at playing it down.
 
Topaz said:
What does everyone else think of the latest Twitter war between Brad and the Toyota camp? Personally I think it's time for Chevy and Ford to park the cars and not show up for the rest of the season. I think it's pretty clear NASCAR gave Toyota an edge going back to Kentucky. I get pretty tired of seeing this. Every so many years it changes from one make to another. NASCAR is just killing itself in the long run. I want to see good tight racing between all the manufacturers and not just one. Brad's good at calling it out and the Toyota driver's are good at playing it down.
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I mean, yeah the Toyota's are a lot faster, but not as bad as Brad is making it seems. Surely since Chevy has the most wins this year. A lot of those wins are from late race restarts, and wasn't exactly the best car of the race. But, they still aren't WAY WAY out ahead like Brad is saying.
 
Geesh, Brad is just seeking attention this point, he really should focus on his team now and not what Toyota is doing, but I dont know why he is so butthurt, the top 10 starting spots is pretty diverse between all the makes.
1-Toy
2-Toy
3-Toy
4-Ford
5-Ford-Brad K
6-Chevy
7-Ford
8-Chevy
9-Chevy
10-Toy
 
I don't think much of these multi-millionaire spats but I believe it is something some fans are looking for. They want on and off track acrimony between the drivers as they think it makes NASCAR better.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I don't think much of these multi-millionaire spats but I believe it is something some fans are looking for. They want on and off track acrimony between the drivers as they think it makes NASCAR better.
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So, for entertainment purposes only ?:D
 
Old school. People keep saying they wanting the way it used to be and this is how it was. Constant politicking between drivers to get concessions for their make. I thought we were done with it when the common templates came about but something must have changed since?

But yeah it's good. Gives everyone something to talk/bitch about, Take sides, whatever. Like the old GM vs Ford vs Mopar days.
 
I don't know man, there's a pretty big gap there. The only chevy team consistent is the 42. There's no consistent Fords. But yet there's always three or four Toyotas in the top five at the end. I don't think Toyota is cheating, but I definitely think they have been given an advantage. I think it would do some good to see some manufacturers just say screw it and force NASCAR to get their **** in order.
 
When Jack Roush used to complain about the same thing, he was widely criticized and demonized. Of course he was talking about Chevy/HMS.

Any guesses on who came up with this little nugget, "It's not meant to be a fair sport"
 
Like them or not, they're keeping it interesting.

Asked if anything has happened lately to make him speak up again about Toyotas, Keselowski said: “No, other than NASCAR’s complete inaction to level the playing field which is the precedent that has been set the last few years. Other than that, no.


“There are natural cycles where cars, teams, manufacturers whatever go up and down. At the start of the year, we were at the top of the cycle. And at this moment, we are not where we need to be. With respect to that, we were at the top and it seemed like there were a lot of rules changes to slow us down and now you have cars that are so much faster than the field and the complete inaction by anybody.’’

Busch mocked Keselowski.


“Maybe I’m confused on what rules were changed,’’ Busch said. “The Penske group was 100 percent for the no-skew rule and they got what they wanted over the off-season and we were against that. Take what you want, we just went to work. Moving on.”

“I’m way behind in payback, just FYI,’’ Busch said. “He’s way ahead so if anybody is going to be getting it, it’s going to be him.”

http://nascar.nbcsports.com/2017/09...ki-kyle-busch-rivalry-adds-spark-to-playoffs/

Give 'em hell, boys :D
 
Pretty much every member of the Nascar media says that Brad's claims about current (lack of) parity is the truth, and it seems obvious to most civilians as well. So there is that.

Ford was strong in the spring, and Toyota was relatively weak with their new Camry body. Then Nascar changed the way some template measurements were being enforced... according to Brad, and confirmed by both Rodney Childers and Tim Cindric. This had the effect of reducing Ford downforce relative to the others. Then Toyota got their new body figured out, and they pulled ahead with dominant speed... and that is where we stand.

Nascar faces a difficult balancing act. All three makes have common chassis regulations, but the bodies and the engines are controlled by a combination of general rules and brand-specific rules. In theory, they all even out in terms of performance potential. When the theory gets out of whack with reality, Nascar makes adjustments. Brad says the adjustments are not coming timely - and I for one think he is correct. It is a tough situation. I don't think we will hear about any overt changes this year.
 
The one point that Brad made that I agree on is that it seemed at the beginning of the year, when the Gibbs drivers couldn't buy a win, NASCAR was very quick to make rule change after rule change. Most of them favouring the Toyotas.
This not only allowed the Gibbs cars to catch up, but also allowed Truex, who's team had already got their cars sorted out, to pretty much run up front at will.
As far as Larson goes, we've seen this before with Jeff Gordon in the 90s. The Chevy teams were at an obvious disadvantage for years, but how could they demand help from NASCAR when a Chevy was out there dominating and winning races with a so-called "inferior" car. I think you have to look at how the races are won, not just who won them. Not too many non Toyota wins were by a car that just completely dominated the race from start to finish. They were mostly great restarts and gutsy moves in the last couple of laps. They always say that these fields are separated by hundreds or thousands of a second, but now that it's chase time, you see a car 3/10s of a second ahead of everyone else.
I guess we'll know soon enough if anybody has been "sand-bagging" to gain an advantage when it really counts.
 
With the rules tighter than they have ever been, I don't see how one can have such and advantage. Don't want to hear "They work harder" because all the top teams work hard.

This is all about who's going to spend the most $$$, no denying it, and we have a good ideal who that is.

So it comes down to what NASCAR wants, except the fan base gets smaller with every race. Myself, I don't watch as much as I did, don't go out of my way to watch, tired of channel searching also.
 
Racing is spending. Moot point trying to blame a group for spending too much.
 
NBC and toyoder are in each others pocket. I stopped watching the week before bristle and dont miss it. They have a hard time showing any team other than the jibbs cars..sickining? yup. The NFL is up an running, I watched one game on NBC and at halftime it was the" toyoder halftime report" I changed the channel. I tired of all commercials, TV is lousy and getting worse. i agree with the OP, one team is so much faster at every track, not just the 1.5 milers ( which I gave up on all this year) when all 6 jibbs cars finish in the top 10 or 12, it has to be more than just a coincidence or "they did their homework"---- Nascar has lost me-- It doesnt help that the NBC announcers are fingernails on a chalk board.
 
Ford 222 said:
Old school. People keep saying they wanting the way it used to be and this is how it was. Constant politicking between drivers to get concessions for their make. I thought we were done with it when the common templates came about but something must have changed since?

But yeah it's good. Gives everyone something to talk/bitch about, Take sides, whatever. Like the old GM vs Ford vs Mopar days.
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Absolutely agree 100%. What is fascinating is how this banter is received in this day. People are so candy ass these days. It's like Brad is horrid or something. I am amused by him. He is either really concerned because he is sucking, or just trying to get a little extra down the line. Either way, it is absolutely awesome to have the manufacturers as the center of this spat. Well done Brad, and I hope we beat your ass as badly as you think we should!
 
rocket dawg said:
NBC and toyoder are in each others pocket. I stopped watching the week before bristle and dont miss it. They have a hard time showing any team other than the jibbs cars..sickining? yup. The NFL is up an running, I watched one game on NBC and at halftime it was the" toyoder halftime report" I changed the channel. I tired of all commercials, TV is lousy and getting worse. i agree with the OP, one team is so much faster at every track, not just the 1.5 milers ( which I gave up on all this year) when all 6 jibbs cars finish in the top 10 or 12, it has to be more than just a coincidence or "they did their homework"---- Nascar has lost me-- It doesnt help that the NBC announcers are fingernails on a chalk board.
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Have another beer.
 
Taco said:
This is all about who's going to spend the most $$$, no denying it, and we have a good ideal who that is.
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What the hell does that even mean? Does it mean that they are spending time in R&D, and paying people for it? Probably. Why the hell won't Chevy and Ford commit? I know why....because they had a good thing when Toyota sucked--nobody pushing them. Now, it's not that they are being out-engineered, it's that they are being outspent? That's bull****. If Chevy and Ford would get faster, there wouldn't be a problem.
 
Revman said:
Absolutely agree 100%. What is fascinating is how this banter is received in this day. People are so candy ass these days. It's like Brad is horrid or something. I am amused by him. He is either really concerned because he is sucking, or just trying to get a little extra down the line. Either way, it is absolutely awesome to have the manufacturers as the center of this spat. Well done Brad, and I hope we beat your ass as badly as you think we should!
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IDK anything about this latest war but in the past BKez's bitching has been nothing more than pre-planned excuses for failure.
 
Topaz said:
Personally I think it's time for Chevy and Ford to park the cars and not show up for the rest of the season.
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Park 'em. Drivers and Manufacturers Championship for me.....and it would be because they couldn't hack it, and quit. That would be sweet. The ultimate victory is when your opponent quits.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
IDK anything about this latest war but in the past BKez's bitching has been nothing more than pre-planned excuses for failure.
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This is the most accurate assessment of his bull**** I have seen. He is insulating himself. If he loses, it's because he got screwed. If he wins, he wins against all odds. Pretty small appendage going into championship competition if you ask me.
 
Revman said:
What the hell does that even mean? Does it mean that they are spending time in R&D, and paying people for it? Probably. Why the hell won't Chevy and Ford commit? I know why....because they had a good thing when Toyota sucked--nobody pushing them. Now, it's not that they are being out-engineered, it's that they are being outspent? That's bull****. If Chevy and Ford would get faster, there wouldn't be a problem.
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I don't think it's a Money thing.

It's about NASCAR dictating the pace of certain teams.

See '97 with Gordon and that whole T-Rex deal.

I don't trust NASCAR as a governing body. They can be bought.
 
Revman said:
Absolutely agree 100%. What is fascinating is how this banter is received in this day. People are so candy ass these days. It's like Brad is horrid or something. I am amused by him. He is either really concerned because he is sucking, or just trying to get a little extra down the line. Either way, it is absolutely awesome to have the manufacturers as the center of this spat. Well done Brad, and I hope we beat your ass as badly as you think we should!
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This went on all the time "in the good ol days". It was always around, hell remember nice guy Mark Martin and jack roush going with the theory the 24 team was doing something with the tires back in 98? I might have it mixed up but I believe they criticized the 24 of soaking tires... there are many but that was one of them that i always think of.
 
JohnHill said:
This went on all the time "in the good ol days". It was always around, hell remember nice guy Mark Martin and jack roush going with the theory the 24 team was doing something with the tires back in 98? I might have it mixed up but I believe they criticized the 24 of soaking tires... there are many but that was one of them that i always think of.
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I agree, but now, with social media, etc.; everybody ****s themselves over it. I think it is fun.
 
Reck said:
I don't think it's a Money thing.

It's about NASCAR dictating the pace of certain teams.

See '97 with Gordon and that whole T-Rex deal.

I don't trust NASCAR as a governing body. They can be bought.
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That is absurd.
 
Revman said:
What the hell does that even mean? Does it mean that they are spending time in R&D, and paying people for it? Probably. Why the hell won't Chevy and Ford commit? I know why....because they had a good thing when Toyota sucked--nobody pushing them. Now, it's not that they are being out-engineered, it's that they are being outspent? That's bull****. If Chevy and Ford would get faster, there wouldn't be a problem.
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Triggered.
 
Revman said:
That is absurd.
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Which part?

Did NASCAR not advised the Gordon team to not bring those type of cars to the track again?

So much for shrugging and saying well other teams just need to catch up to them if they want to compete, eh?

When you have NASCAR telling you to slow down to keep competition close you have a problem.
 
Reck said:
Which part?

Did NASCAR not advised the Gordon team to not bring those type of cars to the track again?

So much for shrugging and saying well other teams just need to catch up to them if they want to compete, eh?

When you have NASCAR telling you to slow down to keep competition close you have a problem.
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The whole thing. I think the way NASCAR handled the Gordon thing was better than the encumbered ****. The 24 did okay after that right?
 
When Nascar played off the "broken" wind tunnel at Michigan with a joke and gave themselves credit for spreading the rumor? They haven't tested the cars in the wind tunnel all year. Nascar normally tests the cars before going into the playoffs that raised a red flag with me. Who knows these days if it was really "out of service" or wasn't scheduled in the first place. Nascar has neglected to find another wind tunnel if it was really broken in the first place. Doesn't make sense to make sweeping aero changes to one brand and it obviously slowed them down and not test another manufacturer using their brand new front end this year. Doesn't look professional at all in this day and time
 
StandOnIt said:
When Nascar played off the "broken" wind tunnel at Michigan with a joke and gave themselves credit for spreading the rumor? They haven't tested the cars in the wind tunnel all year. Nascar normally tests the cars before going into the playoffs that raised a red flag with me. Who knows these days if it was really "out of service" or wasn't scheduled in the first place. Nascar has neglected to find another wind tunnel if it was really broken in the first place. Doesn't make sense to make sweeping aero changes to one brand and it obviously slowed them down and not test another manufacturer using their brand new front end this year. Doesn't look professional at all in this day and time
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Ford and Chevy were present when the new body was presented. No bitching until Toyota got fast. Who had the sweeping aero changes?
 
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