The New Racing Team Alliance

Revman said:
Sounds like CART to me.....and that worked out all so well. Not good when NASCAR wasn't invited to the party. Don't freakin' like this at all. A group of owners representing the interests of the owners, and the sanctioning body wasn't invited to the party? Doesn't sound like the manufacturers were invited to the party. Drivers? No. Fans? Never have been anyway so whatever. Owners representing their sponsorship interests? Yes.
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Sounds like IndyCar just before putting the George family back in the CEO spot.
 
Revman said:
True on NASCAR's peak, but remember baseball was really in the midst of dealing with the damage done with the strike at that time.
I do believe that Sr. passing was and has been an issue, and the changes that ensued.
The brand identity has been screwed by NASCAR forever IMO. At some point, a transition needed to occur from NASCAR being what you could have in your driveway to NASCAR being an expression of what you have in your driveway similar to the way open wheelers view their brands. It has never happened. In fact, I might argue that the aesthetics of the Gen 6 promise that driveway to track connection without even the possibility of delivering. Brand identity needed to **** to brand pride.
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I think the steroid scandal was actually a bigger blow to baseball than the strike was. The MLB gained a lot of their fans back during the home run frenzy of 1998, but they took another hit a few years later when everybody found out it was all BS.

As for NASCAR, I think they just got too big for their britches back in the late 90's and early 00's. They had a brief peak and overexpanded. How many times was the phrase "fastest growing sport in America" crammed down our throats? Brian keeps tinkering with things to get attendance and TV ratings back to early 00's levels, but he usually does more harm than good when doing so.
 
i'ld like to hear what Humpy Wheeler thinks of this
 
As I'm reading this life is real hard reeling in whiting, spot tails & black tips. You boys have fun, Imma get back to the surf :cool:
 
My take is it that they are a trade organization looking at ways of reducing operating expenses.
 
Reduce their operating expenses and also getting a bigger slice of the pie.

Judging from brains appearance the boy do like his pie and getting a bigger piece won't be easy..just sayin'
I think the owners have the upper hand here. Brain/na$car play hard ball and RCR,JGR,MWR, RFR, AND Penske become S & P'ers at next years Daytona.
 
Zerkfitting said:
My take is it that they are a trade organization looking at ways of reducing operating expenses.
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mine too, and one of those ways will be when the brass is thinking about making changes that cost the team owners money. Switching the car around, this is legal one week and not the next, "thinking" about reducing horse power that could mean completely new engines that wouldn't cost Nascar a cent. The car owners want a bigger say and protection from expensive "whims" and other things like a bigger piece of the pie.
 
Revman said:
So, by negotiation we are talking about Brian giving the owners a bigger slice? Right. That might be a problem.
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Brian could lose not only most of the better teams now on board or even the prospects of new ones if they split off and open up a new "Racing League". NASCAR, as we know it today, would then wither on the vine and be gone.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think the steroid scandal was actually a bigger blow to baseball than the strike was. The MLB gained a lot of their fans back during the home run frenzy of 1998, but they took another hit a few years later when everybody found out it was all BS.

As for NASCAR, I think they just got too big for their britches back in the late 90's and early 00's. They had a brief peak and overexpanded. How many times was the phrase "fastest growing sport in America" crammed down our throats? Brian keeps tinkering with things to get attendance and TV ratings back to early 00's levels, but he usually does more harm than good when doing so.
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Right. Freakin'. There. Excellent post.
 
Revman said:
Home Depot had already scaled their commitment way down. They weren't losing money on that deal IMO. They lost interest. Certainly, their interest would be sky high with those mid 90's numbers, but those are unreasonable IMO.
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Probably doesnt help that theyve been getting their ass kicked by Lowe's on track for quite a while now.
 
Brian said this at the recent Wharton Leadership Conference. It seems like the owners have had enough of it.

An advantage of being part of a family-owned business, France said, is that “it takes a little pressure off,” in that it allows him to “take some risks” and “take [a] longer view” in NASCAR’s business strategy. In most sports initiatives, he added, the CEO is answerable to key owners in the league. But in France’s case, “I don’t have to [get buy-in from] 32 different people to set priorities and set the agenda. That’s obviously very helpful.” Along with the ability to take more risks comes more allowance for trial and error, he noted.
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http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/nascar-digital-world-making-devices-part-race/
 
BenzTech99 said:
Probably doesnt help that theyve been getting their ass kicked by Lowe's on track for quite a while now.
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I have wondered about that. I would love it if that were the case, but I'm just not so sure that they care that much about beating a competitor on the track. I hope so!
 
Revman said:
I have wondered about that. I would love it if that were the case, but I'm just not so sure that they care that much about beating a competitor on the track. I hope so!
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They had as good a shot as ever last year with Kenseth. But this year, not so much.
 
BenzTech99 said:
They had as good a shot as ever last year with Kenseth. But this year, not so much.
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I'm not sure that there was even the brand recognition last year with Husky. I think that they have been doing their time for a couple of years now.
 
Revman said:
I'm not sure that there was even the brand recognition last year with Husky. I think that they have been doing their time for a couple of years now.
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Yeah wasnt just the rear most trunk panel Home Depot and the rest was Husky?
 
BenzTech99 said:
Yeah wasnt just the rear most trunk panel Home Depot and the rest was Husky?
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Yup. Badass looking car, but I had a lot of people asking me where Home Depot was. I think the Dollar General car should be black based. That would be cool, but I digress.
 
This thread got me thinking......

What if they said enough. We will bring our teams to the track if.......... and if not well you'll have maybe 10 cars on track.
What if they contacted track owners and said hey we'll come race out there and bring all these big names, and you keep the gate% and all the concessions.
Big what if's i now but it is possible.

Would like to see a race what you brung at a short track.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to find out some TV Networks, Fortune 500 companies and Large Rollers are looking to get a piece of the action and splitting with the Team Owners. More shall be revealed in the days ahead.
 
Go Panthers said:
Baseball has never returned to the popularity before the strike. It's been 20 years and people are still pissed off about it. If what you're saying is true about people becoming disillusioned with stick and ball sports, then why is the NFL more popular than ever?

I can only tell you why Nascar lost me. I was a fan from as long as I could remember, so probably mid 80s all the way though the mid 2000s. I attended races at NW, Rockingham, and Charlotte, nascar left 2 of those tracks to rot. Then they changed the points system and the cars. They've over dramatized every single pass on the track.

It's too much for me, I can't watch it. I know for a fact I'm not the only one. One of my buddies that went to all those races with me for 10 years has stopped watching for the same exact reasons. I've heard numerous others same the same thing.

The unnecessary changes have to stop, proof is in the pudding. Attendance and TV ratings are ALL down.
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lol...........Annual Baseball attendance league wide has risen almost 50% since the 1994/95 strike...Was in the 50,000,000 range back then and in 2012 it was just shy of 75,000,000

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ttendance-drops-12-percent-this-year/2904661/
 
This might be a smoke screen. While were not looking? The brain went ahead & added 10 more spots to the chase, brought back the wing on the cars, gave jr 50 points just cuz & let Fiat join the club.
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
lol...........Annual Baseball attendance league wide has risen almost 50% since the 1994/95 strike...Was in the 50,000,000 range back then and in 2012 it was just shy of 75,000,000

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ttendance-drops-12-percent-this-year/2904661/
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Yeah, baseball has set all time attendance and revenue records in the past few years.

Baseball can be criticized in that they are milking their baby boom fans and appear to be doing a poor job of gaining new ones. But right now the 50 and 60 year olds have a lot of money and spending it on baseball. There is real concern that baseball has spent too much trying milk every last dollar out of the baby boom generation of baseball fans and not enough attracting the younger generations. We'll see. I think baseball does face serious risk there.
 
StoneTown said:
Yeah, baseball has set all time attendance and revenue records in the past few years.

Baseball can be criticized in that they are milking their baby boom fans and appear to be doing a poor job of gaining new ones. But right now the 50 and 60 year olds have a lot of money and spending it on baseball. There is real concern that baseball has spent too much trying milk every last dollar out of the baby boom generation of baseball fans and not enough attracting the younger generations. We'll see. I think baseball does face serious risk there.
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Average NASCRAP ticket price last year was $92.00....I can go see the Chicago White Sox @ home on Sundays for $5.00.........NOW you see where all the FORMER NASCRAP FANS are at on sunday afternoons.....
 
As to Nascar's boom and bust. I think Dale Sr's death was such an emotional moment and was the cause. If you look at attendance and ratings trends they boomed after his death and started falling off 5-7 years later.

What happened, IMO, is that the emotional intensity of that moment, in the final lap of the biggest, most watched race of the year, converted a lot of casual fans into more hardcore fans, particularly of Dale Jr. At least for a while. That emotional bonding naturally wore off over time.

If you look at the ratings, it's basically back to where it was before his death.

Daytona always gets way more viewers than any other race. A lot of very casual fans might only watch one race all year - Daytona.

The 2000s boom and bust were mostly the result of that singular event and the intense emotional experience that millions of viewers had watching it. Nascar misinterpreted the boom as the new normal and overbuilt and overexpanded expecting that to continue indefinitely.
 
StoneTown said:
As to Nascar's boom and bust. I think Dale Sr's death was such an emotional moment and was the cause. If you look at attendance and ratings trends they boomed after his death and started falling off 5-7 years later.

What happened, IMO, is that the emotional intensity of that moment, in the final lap of the biggest, most watched race of the year, converted a lot of casual fans into more hardcore fans, particularly of Dale Jr. At least for a while. That emotional bonding naturally wore off over time.

If you look at the ratings, it's basically back to where it was before his death.

Daytona always gets way more viewers than any other race. A lot of very casual fans might only watch one race all year - Daytona.

The 2000s boom and bust were mostly the result of that singular event and the intense emotional experience that millions of viewers had watching it. Nascar misinterpreted the boom as the new normal and overbuilt and overexpanded expecting that to continue indefinitely.
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It's GREED plain and simple...Sept 14...Chicagoland Speedway...Family of 4 have to pay $220.00 to see the race sitting in the CHEAPEST seats available....Same family of 4 can see the White Sox play for $20.00
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
Average NASCRAP ticket price last year was $92.00....I can go see the Chicago White Sox @ home on Sundays for $5.00.........NOW you see where all the FORMER NASCRAP FANS are at on sunday afternoons.....
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I can go see my favorite bands play at a festival for $30. Watch The Carolina Panthers play from good seats for $40-$75. If I wanna go to the october race in charlotte, $140 for best avail section & location.

Easy decision maker.
 
So what about this RTA? Anyone think NASCAR is going to put a representative in, once they get a little more info on the RTA?

From Jayski's...

Sprint Cup teams form Race Team Alliance UPDATE2: A group of nine multi-car teams participating in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series (NSCS) announced today they have formed a collaborative business association called the Race Team Alliance (RTA). The purpose of the organization is to create an open forum for the teams to explore areas of common interest and to work collaboratively on initiatives to help preserve, promote, and grow the sport of stock car racing. The organization intends to open up its membership to all full time NSCS teams in the very near future. In providing a vehicle for the teams to work together, the organization creates for the first time a single entity to engage with stakeholders on creative ways to market and experience the power of the sport's teams and drivers. As part of its focus, the RTA also plans to explore innovative ways to harness the combined purchasing power and scale of the teams' operations to drive efficiencies in costs. Rob Kauffman, co-owner of Michael Waltrip Racing, has been elected the first chair of the RTA.
"With the encouragement of NASCAR and the manufacturers, the teams have met in various forms and forums over the years to explore areas of common interest. This simply formalizes what was an informal group." said Kauffman. "The key word is 'Collaboration'. We all have vested interests in the success and popularity of stock car racing. By working together and speaking with a single voice, it should be a simpler and smoother process to work with current and potential groups involved with the sport. Whether it be looking for industry-wide travel partners or collaborating on technical issues - the idea is to work together to increase revenue, spend more efficiently, and deliver more value to our partners."
The following teams are the executive members of the RTA: Chip Ganassi Racing with Felix Sabates, Hendrick Motor Sports, Joe Gibbs Racing, Michael Waltrip Racing, Richard Childress Racing, Richard Petty Motor Sports, Roush Fenway Racing, Stewart-Haas Racing and Team Penske.(RTA)(7-7-2014)
UPDATE: Statement from NASCAR: "We are aware of the alliance concept the team owners have announced, but have very few specifics on its structure or purpose. It is apparently still in development and we're still learning about the details so it would be inappropriate to comment right now. NASCAR's mission, as it has always been, is to create a fair playing field where anyone can come and compete. Our job is to support and strengthen all of the teams, large and small, across all of our series and we'll continue to do that. NASCAR is a unique community with hundreds of stakeholders. They all have a voice and always will."(NASCAR)(7-7-2014)
UPDATE 2: #55-Brian Vickers doesn't know much about the newly formed Race Team Alliance, but he knows plenty about the man who's running it. The RTA, whose creation was announced Monday, is a business alliance of nine Sprint Cup teams that is being chaired by Rob Kauffman, who is the co-owner of Michael Waltrip Racing. Vickers, who drives the #55 Toyota for MWR in NASCAR's premier series, said he had "heard little things here and there" about the RTA but not much despite his proximity to Kauffman. "I just get in the car every Friday and just drive as fast as I can," he said Tuesday during a conference call with the news media. "I don't know enough, to be honest with you, about (the RTA) to have any opinion. I think any of those questions are better addressed to Rob or the ownership group. But in general, you know, I have a lot of respect for the owners in this industry. If they feel there's a need, then there's probably a need for it, so I wish them all the best."(USA Today)(7-9-2014)
 
Don't you think RTA has almost certainly talked with NBC and Fox before the announcement was made? Considering the deep roots some owners have established with NASCAR over the years which go back to Bill Sr. isn't RK's picture on the cover of this the overall best choice considering the obvious?
 
United we stand.....hmmm. Power in numbers?

.......Formed the alliance to promote and grow the sport? come on..
 
Stuff happens. :D

But i do believe it is a union for rich folk. Funny when they live under a dictatorship they too see the benefits of unionizing.
Gee how interesting.
 
Rusty34 said:
Don't you think RTA has almost certainly talked with NBC and Fox before the announcement was made? Considering the deep roots some owners have established with NASCAR over the years which go back to Bill Sr. isn't RK's picture on the cover of this the overall best choice considering the obvious?
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yep. right on.
good cops--rick ...roger...richard.......
bad cop.....newbie rob.
rta leverage= $ 8.2 billion tv deal.

elephant in room.....owner franchise system.......like nba...nfl ...etc.
 
Comparing baseball to NASCAR? Here's some differences you guys haven't mentioned:

Baseball Stadium: Over a million fans and nearly a hundred games each season. City cuts stadium huge breaks on utilities, taxes, and construction so team stays there.
Nascar Track: 50-100 thousand fans each race once or twice a year. Very little (if any) help from local gov't.

As you can see, there is a slight difference. :sarcasm:
 
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