This sums up Nascar fans perfectly

Just about everybody has a bad moment once in awhile, but I just don't buy that you need to or it is OK to act like an A-hole all of the time just because things don't go your way on the race track. In my world, winning AND losing with class still counts for something.​
 
clarkfn2284 said:
the roots of the sport all over the Country are guys out there running heats to get into mains and being aggressive and taking chances.
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Now ya done it, that's what made Nascar fans in the beginning.
Everything just got to be to expensive over time.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
First, I think that NASCAR and it's fan's need to realize it is a niche sport and go back to embracing that. Gone for now are the days of 100,000 spectators on a weekly basis. When I think of what I enjoy at a race, be it a short track, 1.5 mile, oval, road course, asphalt or dirt I think of hard intense racing with aggression and an extreme razor thin line to insanity. When I stand in the infield at my local 1/4 mile bullring and see 20-24 full sized late models coming to the green the adrenaline starts to pump and I wonder how they are all gonna make it through turn 1. I need that type of excitement. It's the same excitement when 40 Cup cars sail into turn 1 of Charlotte or through the esses at Sonoma. The same when I see 25 dirt modifieds push to the fence off of 2 with the left front off the ground throwing sliders into turn 3 and the same as watching Rico Abreu, Kyle Larson, Jac Haudenschild and others manhandle a 410 sprint on the cushion. But I am a race fan.

How do we get that? I have no real answer. I don't care if the cars look like those on the roads. I don't want to watch guys race what I see on the highway, I can see that any day. Personalities help, but that alone does not solve the problem. Better racing? Last year had some of the best racing and people still were not satisfied. At the end of the day I think it boils down to do you like the sport or not? If you are a fringe watcher without a horse in the race, it most likely wont keep your attention. If you watch it weekly, like myself, it wont matter. I can watch live or DVR and I'm still interested. I don't think you can make someone one of those types of people. It either interests you or it doesn't.

I would like to see the races shortened a bit and I am a proponent for the stages and the yellows during the stages. It's just a personal preference of mine. I get why people do not like it as well. I also really like things like heats and draw redraw ideas. I just don't know how you make it a thing at Cup level. One of the things I enjoy most about auto racing on a local level is the fact that it is a day long event. You feel like you get your monies worth. I would like to see NASCAR find a way (if possible) to run heats and then have a shortened main to help create more desperation and aggressiveness on track. In theory, it should force the personalities to come out and the drama they seek. NASCAR talks about how they want to get back to it's roots, but the roots of the sport all over the Country are guys out there running heats to get into mains and being aggressive and taking chances.
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I do think you can make a person into a race fan but you have to take them to the track. Of course not all people will like it but when you take someone to the track they get to experience the sights and smells and everything else.

I don’t think it is easy to introduce a fan to Nascar via TV especially if it is NBC. It’s coverage is obnoxious to many including myself and actually damages the series.

As far as race lengths go they should fit in a 3 hour window. This would help with things like midweek races and cause more urgency with the drivers. The track could hold events that were not included in the main broadcast so race attendees did not feel cheated.

Nascar has to decide on a direction and stick with it. This business of constant change is what helped the series to the depths it is in today. Other than the stages I thought they had a good thing going the last 2 years.

On the other hand when you lose over a million viewers per race in 2 years time I can see where Nascar would feel the need to make changes.
 
As far as Kyle Busch goes everything about him has been pulverized to a fine powder and most are ensconced in their position.

I think Kyle is a winner where it counts the most and that is on track. He is a polarizing figure and as is the case with people liked that he will be loved or hated.

IDK Kyle but he may be a really fun guy to spend time with......or not. The point is IDK and will never know do I am happy to just watch him race.
 
Formerjackman said:
In my world, winning AND losing with class still counts for something.
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Respectfully, not in my world. I have never understood why it is so important to be Ward Clever in winning and losing. I want the guy I pull for to be euphoric when he wins, and more pissed than me when he loses. I find it refreshing that Kyle doesn't give a **** about how he expresses either. My two cents. Don't care if it's not popular. Really don't.
 
Revman said:
Respectfully, not in my world. I have never understood why it is so important to be Ward Clever in winning and losing. I want the guy I pull for to be euphoric when he wins, and more pissed than me when he loses. I find it refreshing that Kyle doesn't give a sh!t about how he expresses either. My two cents. Don't care if it's not popular. Really don't.
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that has to be one of the leading criteria to be a KDB fan. That's why so many boo. We don't care either. :p.
 
It's not about popularity, it's about class. There are a LOT of guys just as driven who hate losing as much as Kyle does. They just choose to express themselves differently. I know enough about Jeff Gordon to know that he would slit your throat to win a game of checkers, but he doesn't act like a two year old when he doesn't win. I don't know how you were brought up, but I was brought up that sportsmanship and manners meant something. I played organized baseball for eight years a little bit of football, and it was EXPECTED by my coaches, and my parents that I was humble in victory, gracious in defeat, and to treat teammates, coaches, opponents and officials with respect. I was taught not to give your opponent any more reason to want to beat you than they already had. Maybe that's why I have always gravitated to athletes like Walter Payton and Peyton Manning, and drivers like Big Al Unser and Rick Mears, Harry Gant and Terry Labonte, Mark Martin, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and now Chase Elliott and the other Hendrick kids. As I said before, the only thing I have ever regretted in my time in racing was one night in Winchester in 2002 when I lost my cool with Don Radabaugh, the ARCA PR guy and a pit reporter for the TV broadcasts. I acted like a jerk that night, and it still bothers me.
 
StandOnIt said:
that has to be one of the leading criteria to be a KDB fan. That's why so many boo. We don't care either. :p.
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If you didn't care, you wouldn't boo. Remember what Sr. said?
 
Being a Toyota fan in cup you are almost stuck with KDB thru thick n thin. Truex offers hope for them. If he can stay away from Joey:p
 
Revman said:
If you didn't care, you wouldn't boo. Remember what Sr. said?
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No, you missed SOI's point.

Revman: "Don't care if it's not popular."
SOI: "We don't care either." (about whether it's popular)

SOI and others can "boo", and can do so whether it's popular or not. That is not contradictory -- as you have incorrectly stated.
 
Formerjackman said:
It's not about popularity, it's about class. There are a LOT of guys just as driven who hate losing as much as Kyle does. They just choose to express themselves differently. I know enough about Jeff Gordon to know that he would slit your throat to win a game of checkers, but he doesn't act like a two year old when he doesn't win. I don't know how you were brought up, but I was brought up that sportsmanship and manners meant something. I played organized baseball for eight years a little bit of football, and it was EXPECTED by my coaches, and my parents that I was humble in victory, gracious in defeat, and to treat teammates, coaches, opponents and officials with respect. I was taught not to give your opponent any more reason to want to beat you than they already had. Maybe that's why I have always gravitated to athletes like Walter Payton and Peyton Manning, and drivers like Big Al Unser and Rick Mears, Harry Gant and Terry Labonte, Mark Martin, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and now Chase Elliott and the other Hendrick kids. As I said before, the only thing I have ever regretted in my time in racing was one night in Winchester in 2002 when I lost my cool with Don Radabaugh, the ARCA PR guy and a pit reporter for the TV broadcasts. I acted like a jerk that night, and it still bothers me.
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The way you were raised is very commendable. I don't see any value in that, however when it comes to sport. I do, however, see tremendous value in treating people right in the day to day hustle and bustle of life. Sport isn't real life, and I prefer the people I root for to react with authenticity. If that means that they throw fits, etc., so be it. In addition to my appreciation for Kyle and his authenticity, I very much like Jimmie Johnson because my perception is that he is authentic. Authenticity is the key here--whatever that looks like.
 
StandOnIt said:
Being a Toyota fan in cup you are almost stuck with KDB thru thick n thin. Truex offers hope for them. If he can stay away from Joey:p
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Consider me happily "stuck."
 
Ventisca said:
No, you missed SOI's point.

Revman: "Don't care if it's not popular."
SOI: "We don't care either." (about whether it's popular)

SOI and others can "boo", and can do so whether it's popular or not. That is not contradictory -- as you have incorrectly stated.
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Yeah, okay.
 
Rule number one to be a real fan ............ don't support any driver that breaks a trophy




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Revman said:
Consider my happily "stuck."
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you really don't have much of a choice so many make the best of it. He's good for the younger fans that another is always carping about right? A kinder censored Kyle. I wonder how many kids experienced soap in the mouth. :D:p
 
IDK if the real race fan card is played to marginalize or if it is spoken in seriousness or something else. Unless you are watching to write a report or gather stats you are probably a real race fan. There are lots of people that know more about racing than I do but I still consider myself a real fan.
 
IanMcVittie said:
IDK if the real race fan card is played to marginalize or if it is spoken in seriousness or something else. Unless you are watching to write a report or gather stats you are probably a real race fan. There are lots of people that know more about racing than I do but I still consider myself a real fan.
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Only a real fan can determine if you actually are a real fan. :lol2:
 
kyle18fan said:
There is is ! somebody mentioned a " real" Nascar fan .... please post up the rules one must follow to be a " real" fan .... I am desperate to be one
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There is only 1 rule to follow to be a real Nascar fan...just send me one low payment of $500.00 and I will tell you what that rule is.:D
 
Nitro Dude said:
There is only 1 rule to follow to be a real Nascar fan...just send me one low payment of $500.00 and I will tell you what that rule is.:D
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I need to check my NASCAR rule book first, trouble is I have been waiting for it to arrives for 12 years :( mail is really slow down here
 
StandOnIt said:
you really don't have much of a choice so many make the best of it. He's good for the younger fans that another is always carping about right? A kinder censored Kyle. I wonder how many kids experienced soap in the mouth. :D:p
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I don't want a choice.
 
Revman said:
The way you were raised is very commendable. I don't see any value in that, however when it comes to sport. I do, however, see tremendous value in treating people right in the day to day hustle and bustle of life. Sport isn't real life, and I prefer the people I root for to react with authenticity. If that means that they throw fits, etc., so be it. In addition to my appreciation for Kyle and his authenticity, I very much like Jimmie Johnson because my perception is that he is authentic. Authenticity is the key here--whatever that looks like.
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We are very similar here. I coach 16u, 12u and 8u baseball and we celebrate our successes. We celebrate them as if they were our last. We do that because we don't know if it will be our last. I tell every single one of my kids that there will come a day where they no longer can do whatever it is that they love, so take the time that you have to do it and maximize it. I loved playing baseball and at 26 I was done. When I started coaching it brought back an even more intense love for the game and a desire to make a difference in kids lives. When we won our Championship last season we celebrated on the mound and dumped jugs of water on kids. It looked like we won the World Series. It pissed off the other parents, for no other reason then it is hard as a parent to watch your kid lose.

I had to explain to the board of directors why we celebrate the way that we do. Which disgusted me, but I was willing to oblige. It has nothing to do with respect. Respect is earned in the world. Our kids were made to shake each Coach's hand after practices and games and were made to stand and salute their parents in the stands after every game. When we won, we got to celebrate. By mid season our kids would be seen running around together and by year end we were told by every kid it was the most fun the had ever had playing the game.

The reality is that you can still remain humble in victory while celebrating your successes. The one thing we never let the kids lose focus on was the work that it took to get to that point. Three hour practices on Saturday morning, the extra 20 ground balls taken after practice was over, the extra reps in the cage. I would rather have 14 kids who hate losing then 14 who are not bothered by it and if I have to grab a kid and talk them down after a bad game or a loss I have no problem with it. I signed up for it as a Coach. At least they care. If we lose a trash can or a bat in the process, so be it. We can talk it out later and work on better ways to handle it going forward.

Too many people are complacent with mediocrity. They lose and they lean on, "you can't win them all". That is true, but it should be "don't talk to me for an hour because I'm pissed off and need to process this." A lot of this is created by the ideology that you have to be humble and gracious. When you are competing you should want to rip the competitions throat out. KB is that way. It is what has made him successful. He isn't disrespectful to anyone. The squabbles with his team is what happens with competitive people in a competitive environment.
 
that isn't the way Petty, Earnhardt, or Johnson won 7, but it isn't a surprise that Busch fans think that way
 
Ventisca said:
Real NASCAR fans don’t want this:

http://gear-vault.com/kyle-busch-smashes-guitar-trophy-nascar/
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This is one of the most idiotic arguments against Kyle that gets passed around. Do some research.

Kyle made a promise to his team that if he won at Nashville, he would smash the guitar and give a piece of it to everyone on the team.

What you dont know, is Kyle ordered two more guitars from Sam Bass immediately after the celebration.

Sam wasn’t hurt, and it’s his own artwork.
 
I'll just add that there is NOTHING wrong with being happy and celebrating a LOT when you win. It is NOT disrespectful to to your opponent to be boisterous and happy. I think in the modern "everybody gets a trophy" world, a lot of people have taken it WAY too far the other way. You can have fun without belittling your opponent and trash talking them. It's also just fine to be angry when you lose, and you should NEVER be OK with losing, but always remember that most of the time, the person responsible for you losing is staring back at the mirror at you. A lot of you guys had fun at Chase Elliott's response when he kept coming up short in the victory column, but I found it quite refreshing. Chase realized that it was a team sport and you win and lose as a team, and tearing down his own people wasn't going to be very helpful. He also seems to realize that the answer to the problem is work harder and try harder and be a better example instead of pointing fingers and being petulant about it.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
This is one of the most idiotic arguments against Kyle that gets passed around. Do some research.

Kyle made a promise to his team that if he won at Nashville, he would smash the guitar and give a piece of it to everyone on the team.

What you dont know, is Kyle ordered two more guitars from Sam Bass immediately after the celebration.

Sam wasn’t hurt, and it’s his own artwork.
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Ah, that isn't how it went down. I'll leave the name calling out of it.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
This is one of the most idiotic arguments against Kyle that gets passed around. Do some research.

Kyle made a promise to his team that if he won at Nashville, he would smash the guitar and give a piece of it to everyone on the team.

What you dont know, is Kyle ordered two more guitars from Sam Bass immediately after the celebration.

Sam wasn’t hurt, and it’s his own artwork.
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That may well be true, but what kind of idiot thinks a piece of a purposely broken guitar is something worth having?
 
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ChexOrWrex said:
This is one of the most idiotic arguments against Kyle that gets passed around. Do some research.

Kyle made a promise to his team that if he won at Nashville, he would smash the guitar and give a piece of it to everyone on the team.

What you dont know, is Kyle ordered two more guitars from Sam Bass immediately after the celebration.

Sam wasn’t hurt, and it’s his own artwork.
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:rolleyes:
 
clarkfn2284 said:
We are very similar here. I coach 16u, 12u and 8u baseball and we celebrate our successes. We celebrate them as if they were our last. We do that because we don't know if it will be our last. I tell every single one of my kids that there will come a day where they no longer can do whatever it is that they love, so take the time that you have to do it and maximize it. I loved playing baseball and at 26 I was done. When I started coaching it brought back an even more intense love for the game and a desire to make a difference in kids lives. When we won our Championship last season we celebrated on the mound and dumped jugs of water on kids. It looked like we won the World Series. It pissed off the other parents, for no other reason then it is hard as a parent to watch your kid lose.

I had to explain to the board of directors why we celebrate the way that we do. Which disgusted me, but I was willing to oblige. It has nothing to do with respect. Respect is earned in the world. Our kids were made to shake each Coach's hand after practices and games and were made to stand and salute their parents in the stands after every game. When we won, we got to celebrate. By mid season our kids would be seen running around together and by year end we were told by every kid it was the most fun the had ever had playing the game.

The reality is that you can still remain humble in victory while celebrating your successes. The one thing we never let the kids lose focus on was the work that it took to get to that point. Three hour practices on Saturday morning, the extra 20 ground balls taken after practice was over, the extra reps in the cage. I would rather have 14 kids who hate losing then 14 who are not bothered by it and if I have to grab a kid and talk them down after a bad game or a loss I have no problem with it. I signed up for it as a Coach. At least they care. If we lose a trash can or a bat in the process, so be it. We can talk it out later and work on better ways to handle it going forward.

Too many people are complacent with mediocrity. They lose and they lean on, "you can't win them all". That is true, but it should be "don't talk to me for an hour because I'm pissed off and need to process this." A lot of this is created by the ideology that you have to be humble and gracious. When you are competing you should want to rip the competitions throat out. KB is that way. It is what has made him successful. He isn't disrespectful to anyone. The squabbles with his team is what happens with competitive people in a competitive environment.
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I was a three year letterman in baseball in High School. I loved the game deeply. I would have loved to have played for you. You get it. This post was a pleasure to read. Thank you.
 
StandOnIt said:
Ah, that isn't how it went down. I'll leave the name calling out of it.
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What? That is 100% exactly how “it went down”. I emplore you to follow sentence #2 from my quote.

That win and celebration reaction has been one of the biggest pieces of fake news amongst NASCAR fans for the last decade.

Formerjackman said:
That may well be true, but what kind of idiot thinks a piece of a purposely broken guitar is something worth having?
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Couldn’t tell you. But it makes for a hell of a memory. You can have your own opinion but you cant have your own facts.
 
KyBu fans are not NASCAR fans -- they have no regard for NASCAR as KyBu explores outrageous and idiotic behavior.

They follow an immature and petulant KyBu on his journey into absurdity, mocking all who disagree; even when KyBu is exposed as a man-child who acts out his tantrums on a dwindling stage.

KyBu followers keep chasing the high of the next KyBu conniption/antic... :rolleyes:
 
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ChexOrWrex said:
What? That is 100% exactly how “it went down”. I emplore you to follow sentence #2 from my quote.

That win and celebration reaction has been one of the biggest pieces of fake news amongst NASCAR fans for the last decade.
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Sure seems like it would have been a lot better to let Sam Bass in on the deal..Oh I guess that was supposed to be part of the cool surprise.(along with having to over compensate and buy two more after fan outcry.) o_O And to top it all off it was a Nationwide win. Woooooo!

Bass said. But I’m not going to lie about it. If he had asked me, Hey, I’m thinking about destroying that trophy guitar whenever I win it, what do you think, of course I would have told him, No! Please don’t. Let us give you a prop guitar.
Bass said. You start out with nothing and you finish it and you hope people will take care of it. And it was stunning, absolutely stunning to see that thing destroyed within seconds of him getting it.
 
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StandOnIt said:
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Sure seems like it would have been a lot better to let Sam Bass in on the deal..Oh I guess that was supposed to be part of the cool surprise.(along with having to over compensate and buy two more after fan outcry.) o_O And to top it all off it was a Nationwide win. Woooooo!

Bass said. But I’m not going to lie about it. If he had asked me, Hey, I’m thinking about destroying that trophy guitar whenever I win it, what do you think, of course I would have told him, No! Please don’t. Let us give you a prop guitar.
Bass said. You start out with nothing and you finish it and you hope people will take care of it. And it was stunning, absolutely stunning to see that thing destroyed within seconds of him getting it.
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I can't help but wonder if fans of Kyle's antics that day would have also found it fun to watch him destroy a Daytona 500 Harley J. Earl Trophy or maybe a Martinsville Grandfather Clock after taking the checkered flag. For many, including the man that had devoted his time, effort & love for the sport into that iconic trophy, we find it unimaginable that someone would do that. If someone doesn't get that sentiment, they never will. My feelings are that Kyle has probably matured a lot since that day and wouldn't make the same choice in today's victory lane. If I'm wrong, he's a bigger A-hole than I thought.
 
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