Thoughts on Matt Kenseth's Fine

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phonology ain't writin.
 
phonology ain't writin.
Dude, I am not going to argue the point with you, I taught learning disabled students, so if you don't have a learning disorder and choose to communicate the way you do, that is your choice. I cn2 whutevr flowz yer bowt,ya dig,dawg,i is hip,kuz i thwowed ma spelchker,ind da trash,nowz i is movin to da getto,gointo gitme za pitbul juz lik ya hav.
 
I'm a Kenseth fan and would rather see him take the penalties than be blamed for having favoritism shown his way.
 
Yes, but you said there were three simple choices. ;)

Gibbs is all buddy buddy when there is camera in his face, but if those goofs cost me and my race team approx a million bucks, I would be making some choices. wink. Perfect timing for the "Toyota Owners 400" BTW. Wonder if Nascar will get the race sponsor money. :)
Not a coincidence that Kyle in his Toyota has owned this race track lately, and Toyota kicks in race sponsorship cash.
 
Dude, I am not going to argue the point with you, I taught learning disabled students, so if you don't have a learning disorder and choose to communicate the way you do, that is your choice. I cn2 whutevr flowz yer bowt,ya dig,dawg,i is hip,kuz i thwowed ma spelchker,ind da trash,nowz i is movin to da getto,gointo gitme za pitbul juz lik ya hav.

argue? ha!
insult.... is tha method you little keyboard cowards prefer !
if ya don't like my post......don't read it !
 
oh manz, you goze ahed dood, im wit cha i tink we all needz to lern to tawk n spel lik city folkes. take uz howrs to red ta postz tho. i am goig to teachz a getto sped readin corse i zee big monyz herez.
 
Kenseth must still have some of that FORD blood in him.With all the whining he's doing now that he got caught.
 
I have a feeling the penalty will be defanged on appeal.
They can decide to increase the penalty, not just lower it or leave it the same, if they so choose. I think it would be fair to take both Gibb's hard cards away until after 6 points races.
 
I believe some of it will. Nascar will give them something back. I have heard that at the end of the year, some of the fine money is rebated back for good behavior.
Nope, its donated to charity.
 
On Nascar radio they said they tore down all the TRD engines for all teams overnight and two engines were out of spec and a third was so close it wasn't worth the risk.

If there were two other teams whose motors were "out of spec" what teams are they and where are their penalties posted?
A third "so close it wasn't worth the risk"? What risk? Risk to who? It was out of spec or it wasn't. You know just like being preggers. There's no in between.
 
I don't get the math here..15 appeals..9+2+1=12..what happened to the other three?
  • FINAL APPEALS - results 1999 to current
    15 total appeals
    9 upheld
    2 reduced
    1 overturned
    (NASCAR)(thru last final appeal 9-14-2012)
  • What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives, before the money collected from driver/crew member penalties are generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund awarded at the end of the season.
 
Does Nascar look at each individual infraction and then have a guideline to follow as to what penalty they are allowed to handout or can they just give out any penalty they choose to?
 
The team may know the weight requirement, but there is no way they could have known that the rod didn't meet the weight requirement because they didn't build or tear that engine apart. Only TRD would have access to that info. I guess teams that build their engines in house have a lot less chance of this happening to them.
Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .
 
Does Nascar look at each individual infraction and then have a guideline to follow as to what penalty they are allowed to handout or can they just give out any penalty they choose to?
They just shoot from the hip and do whatever they want...They don't have to answer to anyone...
 
Does Nascar look at each individual infraction and then have a guideline to follow as to what penalty they are allowed to handout or can they just give out any penalty they choose to?

I believe they just give out any penalty to any infraction that they want. Some old school Saturday night short track stuff there. I think the Frances and Todd Helton have always run the show with an iron fist. Could be wrong.
 
Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .

The head guy at TRD was on nascar radio. He says that TRD buys the rods from the top manufacturer in Europe.
 
I don't get the math here..15 appeals..9+2+1=12..what happened to the other three?
  • FINAL APPEALS - results 1999 to current
    15 total appeals
    9 upheld
    2 reduced
    1 overturned
    (NASCAR)(thru last final appeal 9-14-2012)
  • What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives, before the money collected from driver/crew member penalties are generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund awarded at the end of the season.

What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives.
Before 2008 the money collected from driver/crew member penalties Were generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund And awarded at the end of the season.

Yours is from Jayski, this one is worded a little different with a little clearer meaning.
 
What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives.
Before 2008 the money collected from driver/crew member penalties Were generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund And awarded at the end of the season.

Yours is from Jayski, this one is worded a little different with a little clearer meaning.

yeah, mine sounds like they took some for charity and the rest they spread around in driver points.
 
somebody needs to find a scale and quick..this is getting expensive.:)

Yes , but quality verifying each and every product to the exact weight ,zero tolerance will be expensive too. It'll put up the cost to rich and poor teams alike. Not saying it's wrong or right.
 
I don't get the math here..15 appeals..9+2+1=12..what happened to the other three?
  • FINAL APPEALS - results 1999 to current
    15 total appeals
    9 upheld
    2 reduced
    1 overturned
    (NASCAR)(thru last final appeal 9-14-2012)
  • What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives, before the money collected from driver/crew member penalties are generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund awarded at the end of the season.

I think the other three were withdrawn before they were heard. Remember Hamlin?
 
Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .
You just made my point, JGR wasn't trying to cheat, it could have happened to any team that purchased an engine from the vendor, TRD, and I'm well aware that Toyota knows the rules for building this engine, but this infraction didn't happen because someone didn't know the rules. This happened because someone screwed up and made a mistake, and I agree there has to be a penalty, but I feel the penalty is to severe for a non blatant error in the rules. If this was a blatant cheating violation trying to get an advantage on the other teams then I would be for throwing the book at them. I usually don't pay that much attention to Matt or the Toyota engines, but it will be interesting to see if they can bounce back from this and make the chase.
 
Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .
If you wear two and a half grams off of a rod under race conditions it'll be easy to spot because the rod will be lying on the racing surface after it blasts through the oil pan...
 
Care to explain "out of business?"

• Car owner Joe Gibbs has lost 50 championship car owner points; the first place finish from April 21 at Kansas Speedway will not earn bonus points toward the accumulated aggregate car owner points total after the completion of the first 26 events of the current season and will not be credited towards the eligibility for a car owner Wild Card position; has had the owner's license for the #20 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series car suspended until the completion of the next six championship points events, therefore being ineligible to receive championship car owner points during that period of time.
• Driver Matt Kenseth has lost 50 championship driver points; the Coors Light Pole award from April 19 at Kansas Speedway will not be allowed for eligibility into the 2014 Sprint Unlimited; the first place finish from April 21 at Kansas Speedway will not earn bonus points toward the accumulated aggregate driver points total after the completion of the first 26 events of the current season and will not be credited towards the eligibility for a driver Wild Card position.
• The loss of five NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Manufacturer Championship points. ( First time a car manufacturer has been penalized)
 
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