hawg dawg
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phonology ain't writin.
Dude, I am not going to argue the point with you, I taught learning disabled students, so if you don't have a learning disorder and choose to communicate the way you do, that is your choice. I cn2 whutevr flowz yer bowt,ya dig,dawg,i is hip,kuz i thwowed ma spelchker,ind da trash,nowz i is movin to da getto,gointo gitme za pitbul juz lik ya hav.phonology ain't writin.
Yes, but you said there were three simple choices.Then you would look hard at your other two options wouldn't you
Moving to the 11 will not restore the points that were taken away....will kenseth now move ta #11 fer rest a' yr. ??
Not a coincidence that Kyle in his Toyota has owned this race track lately, and Toyota kicks in race sponsorship cash.Yes, but you said there were three simple choices.
Gibbs is all buddy buddy when there is camera in his face, but if those goofs cost me and my race team approx a million bucks, I would be making some choices. wink. Perfect timing for the "Toyota Owners 400" BTW. Wonder if Nascar will get the race sponsor money.
Dude, I am not going to argue the point with you, I taught learning disabled students, so if you don't have a learning disorder and choose to communicate the way you do, that is your choice. I cn2 whutevr flowz yer bowt,ya dig,dawg,i is hip,kuz i thwowed ma spelchker,ind da trash,nowz i is movin to da getto,gointo gitme za pitbul juz lik ya hav.
I believe some of it will. Nascar will give them something back. I have heard that at the end of the year, some of the fine money is rebated back for good behavior.I have a feeling the penalty will be defanged on appeal.
They can decide to increase the penalty, not just lower it or leave it the same, if they so choose. I think it would be fair to take both Gibb's hard cards away until after 6 points races.I have a feeling the penalty will be defanged on appeal.
Nope, its donated to charity.I believe some of it will. Nascar will give them something back. I have heard that at the end of the year, some of the fine money is rebated back for good behavior.
On Nascar radio they said they tore down all the TRD engines for all teams overnight and two engines were out of spec and a third was so close it wasn't worth the risk.
Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .The team may know the weight requirement, but there is no way they could have known that the rod didn't meet the weight requirement because they didn't build or tear that engine apart. Only TRD would have access to that info. I guess teams that build their engines in house have a lot less chance of this happening to them.
They just shoot from the hip and do whatever they want...They don't have to answer to anyone...Does Nascar look at each individual infraction and then have a guideline to follow as to what penalty they are allowed to handout or can they just give out any penalty they choose to?
Does Nascar look at each individual infraction and then have a guideline to follow as to what penalty they are allowed to handout or can they just give out any penalty they choose to?
Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .
I don't get the math here..15 appeals..9+2+1=12..what happened to the other three?
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The head guy at TRD was on nascar radio. He says that TRD buys the rods from the top manufacturer in Europe.
I don't get the math here..15 appeals..9+2+1=12..what happened to the other three?
- FINAL APPEALS - results 1999 to current
15 total appeals
9 upheld
2 reduced
1 overturned
(NASCAR)(thru last final appeal 9-14-2012)- What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives, before the money collected from driver/crew member penalties are generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund awarded at the end of the season.
somebody needs to find a scale and quick..this is getting expensive.The head guy at TRD was on nascar radio. He says that TRD buys the rods from the top manufacturer in Europe.
Something like that , I didn't catch the name . But he said they were the top. Obviously they and TRD will have to spend more money on quality control.Carrillo in Austria?
What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives.
Before 2008 the money collected from driver/crew member penalties Were generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund And awarded at the end of the season.
Yours is from Jayski, this one is worded a little different with a little clearer meaning.
somebody needs to find a scale and quick..this is getting expensive.
I don't get the math here..15 appeals..9+2+1=12..what happened to the other three?
- FINAL APPEALS - results 1999 to current
15 total appeals
9 upheld
2 reduced
1 overturned
(NASCAR)(thru last final appeal 9-14-2012)- What happens to the money from the penalties? Starting in 2008 all money collected from fines issued to drivers go to the NASCAR Foundation for its charitable initiatives, before the money collected from driver/crew member penalties are generally placed into the Drivers Points Fund awarded at the end of the season.
Ding Ding Ding, I think we have a winner.I think the other three were withdrawn before they were heard. Remember Hamlin?
good show chap!I think the other three were withdrawn before they were heard. Remember Hamlin?
You just made my point, JGR wasn't trying to cheat, it could have happened to any team that purchased an engine from the vendor, TRD, and I'm well aware that Toyota knows the rules for building this engine, but this infraction didn't happen because someone didn't know the rules. This happened because someone screwed up and made a mistake, and I agree there has to be a penalty, but I feel the penalty is to severe for a non blatant error in the rules. If this was a blatant cheating violation trying to get an advantage on the other teams then I would be for throwing the book at them. I usually don't pay that much attention to Matt or the Toyota engines, but it will be interesting to see if they can bounce back from this and make the chase.Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .
Carrillo in Austria?
Would you think that TRD would shave down one rod and not the other 999?Would you think this highly regarded supplier who also supplies parts to Formula 1 makes mistakes while making $3000 rods for Cup teams?
http://www.pankl.com/
If you wear two and a half grams off of a rod under race conditions it'll be easy to spot because the rod will be lying on the racing surface after it blasts through the oil pan...Toyoda is part of the team. They know what the rules are for building an engine. They also know how much a part will wear during a race. After running 500 hard miles parts will wear (reducing their weight). This could have happened to any team using Toyoda engines (or any engine builder pressing the edge) .
Care to explain "out of business?"