TRD plate power=huge

ChexOrWrex said:
Trained eye? Bahahaha
Anybody that has been watching plate races for more than just a few years & have listened to the booth babble on about how the draft works can figure out how momentum works in racing. Please, before you get carpel tunnel, stop typing.
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Its really not hard to figure out... Not sure why this guy thinks he knows so much more about it than a bunch of NASCAR nerds on a forum lol
 
hidesert cowboy said:
well I have to say I told you so to the TRD deniers. so a couple notes from a trained eye as I like to say, go back and watch the last lap with harvick and kenseth. here is how it breaks down because there is quite a bit going on. harvick has a run on the high side and pulls the car low off the banking, this means his car suddenly picks up speed in relation to the outside car by virtue of the shorter distance around the track combine this with the run he already has from behind. next as he pulls along side kenseth he picks up a side draft on kenseth. which speeds his car and slows kenseth. that is what was supposed to happen but it didn't quite work out, instead of going to the bottom and picking kahne up from behind which might have won it, kenseth picks up a slight side draft back and crosses first, I am not sure if harvick stays low in the tri oval if it would have been enough, but I am sure the race would have been closer. The interesting thing to me was kenseth through most of the time had no drafting help from behind!!!! its like he simply stepped on the gas. Remember as the leading car you don't want to pull TOO much of a lead, so the leader is also trying to maintain the distance they want and in many cases may be letting off themselves at certain points, of course its always matted coming off turn 4 no matter what.

my strategy for winning the 500 would be if a gibbs car is leading it with 5 to go I would not wait till the last lap to try and make a pass. I think in order to pass them you are going to need a couple laps for another line to form up to have a chance. the gibbs cars just have too much power coming off 4 for a last lap pass to work single file will not get by them it will take a well established inside line to pull off anything on the last lap. The gibbs cars to me look like they are setup to lead the race, hamlin didn't look so good in traffic, maybe he wasn't really trying that hard at that point who knows.
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Is that you Kez?

J/K :)
 
No denying that the Toyota cars have been fastest during speed weeks this year, but lets see if those engines can survive a whole 500 race. Last year I think they were 1-2-3 or something close to that and a few of them (if not all, sorry spotty memory) lost their engines.
Wasn't it 08 as well that the JGR cars were unbeatable and then boom, here comes Newman and Kurt to take 1-2 away from Tony.

Also the way Kenseth has been racing this week, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get caught up in a wreck.

Kyle is kyle, I could see him winning or finishing 35th

Hamlin, I don’t wish any success to that man. Cant stand him, so hoping his engine fails him on the last lap.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Trained eye? Bahahaha
Anybody that has been watching plate races for more than just a few years & have listened to the booth babble on about how the draft works can figure out how momentum works in racing. Please, before you get carpel tunnel, stop typing.
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Is it that you don't like what he is saying, or that he is saying too much? I found his post to be a wonderful read. Well done. :punkrocke
 
EI2IC said:
No denying that the Toyota cars have been fastest during speed weeks this year, but lets see if those engines can survive a whole 500 race. Last year I think they were 1-2-3 or something close to that and a few of them (if not all, sorry spotty memory) lost their engines.
Wasn't it 08 as well that the JGR cars were unbeatable and then boom, here comes Newman and Kurt to take 1-2 away from Tony.

Also the way Kenseth has been racing this week, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get caught up in a wreck.

Kyle is kyle, I could see him winning or finishing 35th

Hamlin, I don’t wish any success to that man. Cant stand him, so hoping his engine fails him on the last lap.
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....or you could take a look at the reliability of the other 3 plate races. Naaaaw, that wouldn't be any fun. That problem was diagnosed and fixed.
 
Revman said:
Is it that you don't like what he is saying, or that he is saying too much? I found his post to be a wonderful read. Well done. :punkrocke
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Some people have this neat trick where if they don't know what they're talking about, they babble on to make it look like they have bountiful knowledge. Hint: Quality over quantity
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Trained eye? Bahahaha
Anybody that has been watching plate races for more than just a few years & have listened to the booth babble on about how the draft works can figure out how momentum works in racing. Please, before you get carpel tunnel, stop typing.
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If he was talking about Jeff you would take to it like a kitty to milk. I find hidesert Cowboy's posts wonderful reads. :punkrocke
 
Revman said:
....or you could take a look at the reliability of the other 3 plate races. Naaaaw, that wouldn't be any fun. That problem was diagnosed and fixed.
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Agreed, but were specifically talking about this one particular race, and the results show that they havent put it together on Sunday.
 
R-Y dominated the second Duel until Keselowski's mental collapse and Carl's attempt to drag-race Gordon out of the pits :confused:. Hamlin wasn't even a factor until his team decided to stay out an extra lap and refuel to the bare minimum.
 
Revman said:
Is it that you don't like what he is saying, or that he is saying too much? I found his post to be a wonderful read. Well done. :punkrocke
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It's that he thinks we don't know whats going on and that he needs to explain how the race worked... his "trained eyes" apparently see something we don't :rolleyes:
 
didn't look to see if it had been said BUT IMO had Kahne stayed pinned to the 4 Bud car's bumper in duel 1, Kenseth finishes 2nd...
 
Restrictor Plate King! said:
didn't look to see if it had been said BUT IMO had Kahne stayed pinned to the 4 Bud car's bumper in duel 1, Kenseth finishes 2nd...
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yeah it has been said. Kahne's sense of timing or lack of it. He didn't have a chance in hell of doing anything he didn't have a gap to make a run, but instead of staying tucked up, he dives to the inside and does more harm than good..I don't even know if he even realizes it though.
 
Denny's the one Toyota driver I really don't much care for. If he gets Toyota to Victory Lane on Sunday, great, but I'd much rather it be one of the other 'Yodas.
 
FLRacingFan said:
R-Y dominated the second Duel until Keselowski's mental collapse and Carl's attempt to drag-race Gordon out of the pits :confused:. Hamlin wasn't even a factor until his team decided to stay out an extra lap and refuel to the bare minimum.
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Were you watching Denny? RaceView or otherwise? I mean, this is restrictor plate racing....and you can come from the back....you know? Denny is fast as hell.
 
EI2IC said:
Agreed, but were specifically talking about this one particular race, and the results show that they havent put it together on Sunday.
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So, in 3 of 4 races reliability was just fine, but you want to look at just this race? Even though the engine spec is the same? Toyota hasn't been doing this as long as the others. Your data pool is shallow. Stay tuned.
 
Revman said:
So, in 3 of 4 races reliability was just fine, but you want to look at just this race? Even though the engine spec is the same? Toyota hasn't been doing this as long as the others. Your data pool is shallow. Stay tuned.
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I'm not ignoring at all what they did on the other 3 races but its a different year with different rules, different employees, different set up. There's no telling if they got the package right until they hit the track Sunday. All the manufactures have botched it before and Toyota most recently at this event so I'm interested to see how they hold up.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Are people actually still in denial about TRD/JGR dominating Daytona so far?
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I fully acknowledge that TRD is dominating Daytona this week, I'm just interested to see them go 500miles. If a Toyota car is going to win, just dont be Denny!
 
I would like to see one of my drivers win but most of all, I want to see a great race with lost of passing and no injuries.
I like the new aero package, so far.
 
Revman said:
Denny is fast as hell.
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So are a whole bunch of other cars. Dillon still led a quarter of the first duel, Jr. led a quarter of the first Duel until he botched pit entry, Keselowski still led the most laps in the second Duel. Don't pretend TRD has five MPH on the rest of the field.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Are people actually still in denial about TRD/JGR dominating Daytona so far?
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Truck engines are different from cup engines if you didn't know that already. They tore down both winning Toyota engines and so far I haven't heard they were illegal. So maybe they have a chance.
 
My trained eye told me there were a lot of trd whiners tonight. :D
 
Proud as hell of TRD. JGR in the hunt all night. Got beat by a great plate driver.
 
I think it's safe to say HMS showed em up today. 3 of the top 5 = HMS. Btw, Denny wouldn't have that 2nd place without Gordon glued to his bumper in 3 & 4.

Kyle was hardly a factor. Kenseth stayed shy of the front. Hamlin was good but owes his push to a HMS engine. Clint Bowyer blowing up.

TRD was good at Daytona & had strong power but I wouldn't call them "huge" and praise their engine dept like gods.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I think it's safe to say HMS showed em up today. 3 of the top 5 = HMS. Btw, Denny wouldn't have that 2nd place without Gordon glued to his bumper in 3 & 4.

Kyle was hardly a factor. Kenseth stayed shy of the front. Hamlin was good but owes his push to a HMS engine. Clint Bowyer blowing up.

TRD was good at Daytona & had strong power but I wouldn't call them "huge" and praise their engine dept like gods.
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Gave your guy props and respect, and you post this? Okay. I suppose you have the right.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I think it's safe to say HMS showed em up today. 3 of the top 5 = HMS. Btw, Denny wouldn't have that 2nd place without Gordon glued to his bumper in 3 & 4.

Kyle was hardly a factor. Kenseth stayed shy of the front. Hamlin was good but owes his push to a HMS engine. Clint Bowyer blowing up.

TRD was good at Daytona & had strong power but I wouldn't call them "huge" and praise their engine dept like gods.
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They were huge...that is, in comparison to the **** show last year lol
 
Revman said:
Gave your guy props and respect, and you post this?
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