Truck RACE thread --- Iowa

ChexOrWrex said:
Guess he’s supposed to just get purposefully ran over and then walk away like a dog with his tail tucked. Joke.
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I’d hope he would have handled it under green during the natural course of the race, not under caution. It was a stupid move that looked blatant IMO.
 
Ever thought that this may be why Sauter never cut it at the top level?
 
Remember when Chase Elliott wrecked Denny Hamlin at an entirely separate race in retaliation for a move similar to that of Hill's, and got nothing but praise? I sure do...

Or Joey Logano getting wrecked by Kenseth

Or Dale Jr wrecking Kyle Busch at the following Richmond race

It's only ok for the fan favorites
 
This is giant overreaction. Hornaday did the exact same thing to a tee to Bubba Wallace at Rockingham 2013 and nothing happened. Jeff Gordon did it to Bowyer at Phoenix and May have cost him a championship, granted that scenario is under green but if anything that makes it more dangerous because the cars are going full speed. My point is, either enforce these suspensions all the time, or don’t. This selective outrage is ridiculous. Personally I say boys have at it, let the drivers police themselves. This was nothin but short track racing
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
Remember when Chase Elliott wrecked Denny Hamlin at an entirely separate race in retaliation for a move similar to that of Hill's, and got nothing but praise? I sure do...

Or Joey Logano getting wrecked by Kenseth

Or Dale Jr wrecking Kyle Busch at the following Richmond race

It's only ok for the fan favorites
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what in hell? Kenseth got a two race suspension for ramming and not letting off, Elliott rubbed Hamlin into the wall and he cut a tire later, surely you can see the difference?
 
You can argue it deserves a suspension & points penalty. But maybe just me but I think it is VERY wrong to exclude the guy from the playoffs all because he can't show up (or get a waiver for "attempting") for 1-2 races over some stupid heat of the race mistakes that a good list of drivers that haven't nearly got hit as hard.

NASCAR has been very inconsistent in their decision making so I expect them to drop the 13 out of the playoffs and I'm sure that sponsor would be real happy...
 
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Snappy D said:
I’d hope he would have handled it under green during the natural course of the race, not under caution. It was a stupid move that looked blatant IMO.
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As long as the safety vehicles weren't out yet, I'm okay with it, actually prefer it to be taken care of right then and there, versus under green. Reduced speeds and nobody else got consequences except them 2. It was an aggressive retaliation, but guy's have got slammed a lot worse than that with only a warning issued, hell Hill was still running top 15 after it.

Of course it was blatant, no question, as was Hill's.
 
Also Kurt Busch was suspended and given a waiver in 2015 so hopefully it's regular season & playoff points taken away and not the whole season here...
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
Remember when Chase Elliott wrecked Denny Hamlin at an entirely separate race in retaliation for a move similar to that of Hill's, and got nothing but praise? I sure do...

Or Joey Logano getting wrecked by Kenseth

Or Dale Jr wrecking Kyle Busch at the following Richmond race

It's only ok for the fan favorites
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Lets see. Chase and Denny was Chase just running Denny harder than he had been and Denny got the **** end of the stick for it. He learnt his lesson after that as well as I don't recall him doing anything since to Chase.

The Matt one I can kind of give you, but I guess the difference would be green to yellow. Do stuff like this under green and it's not looked down on as much? Tho a lot of
 
I might be on the other side of the fence here, but I'm surprised how much people are calling for Sauter's head. Yes a suspension is fine (if he's given a waiver) & potential safety hazard to safety works is my big issue, but I liked emotions.
 
Didn't watch the race but seen they gave the win to a truck that never led a lap. That's pretty bad and doesn't look good. I hope this DQ stuff gets thrown out before somthing like this happens in Cup. Winner should always be who crosses the finish line first.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Guess he’s supposed to just get purposefully ran over and then walk away like a dog with his tail tucked. Joke.
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+1, a small penalty is fine, but I've seen people say that he should be suspended with no waiver to be able to race in the playoffs. Lmao.
 
Simple Fan said:
Didn't watch the race but seen they gave the win to a truck that never led a lap. That's pretty bad and doesn't look good. I hope this DQ stuff gets thrown out before somthing like this happens in Cup. Winner should always be who crosses the finish line first.
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Yeah **** it! let them cheat blatently and you still get the win who cares about integrity right???
 
I guess a team could build a truck that would "settle" under racing conditions on a rough track (like Iowa.) If that's the case, I hope Nascar would say it, instead of "too low." Not sure why there's a "too low" rule anyway (dangerous?)
 
The DQ spoiled the first race and cast a dark cloud over the second race of this NASCAR Double-header. imho

Should've known something "was up" when Chastain looked like KyBu in a Truck race. :)

If it was cheating -- then throw the crew chief and his entire crew out of NASCAR for the rest of the season. Just end the nonsense. Fans deserve better.

If it was failure of a legitimate Part, then NASCAR needs to figure out that if it has nothing to do with racing but everything to do with an inspection -- eg. a Part that lifts the car to the proper ride height after the competition to meet post race inspection criteria -- then throw that rule out the window. Cup has moved on, probably time to update other series.

If Chastain is to be believed, and everyone's race ride height is down to the grinding point of the splitter and skirts anyway, then regulating a post race static height seems absurd. Only so many system and parts hold up body parts in a vehicle -- it shouldn't be difficult at all to determine what occurred.

If it was failure of a legitimate part by race damage or other unintentional circumstance, then no DQ -- that's part of racing.

But what makes matters worse is when all these technical Experts from NASCAR and the Teams either mumble into the microphone, vent frustration, or clam up about specific details -- so much for openness and accountability in a top Motorsport...
 
Spotter22 said:
View attachment 40604 So you're sitting on Pit road knowing full well at the minimum you are getting ready to cost yourself 12,500 dollars and yet you just roll out and crash him anyway. Just stupid,stupid stupid.
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Since when did NASCAR mandate drivers must wear skirts and put flowers in their hair? Here is my question: What would Earnhardt Sr. have done?

Here is the thing, from my totally unbiased opinion...which can be substantiated by me. The initial confrontation was Sauter passing Hill...Hill being immature and prone to emotion, took exception to that and tiddleywinked Sauter into the wall. Hill took advantage..he knew that Sauter was faster (as evidenced by the first stage) and was frustrated like a little girl. Me being me...I would have put Hill through the wall and then dragged him out of the truck, ripping his helmet off, ripped of his head, and then crapped down his neck....but that is me. Not to be a social media bully...because that is just BS too, but in the thousand or so physical altercations the I have had in my life time, can attest to getting my butt spanked once or twice. Not that often though and never afraid to try and put the wrath of god into someone's face. Using tools as weapons, are what gladiators do...but for Christ's sake...put the opponent down, so they do not get up and do it again. Hill deserved retribution by Sauter, but he should have been taken out, and especially not be given the benefit of the doubt by any real race fans. Remember what the 1979 Daytona ending did for NASCAR popularity...just say'n
 
Fordracing7 said:
Yeah **** it! let them cheat blatently and you still get the win who cares about integrity right???
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Or we can open the rule book up and allow for teams and OEMS to really play with the cars

But pipe dreams don’t come true.
 
OldTimer said:
Since when did NASCAR mandate drivers must wear skirts and put flowers in their hair? Here is my question: What would Earnhardt Sr. have done?

Here is the thing, from my totally unbiased opinion...which can be substantiated by me. The initial confrontation was Sauter passing Hill...Hill being immature and prone to emotion, took exception to that and tiddleywinked Sauter into the wall. Hill took advantage..he knew that Sauter was faster (as evidenced by the first stage) and was frustrated like a little girl. Me being me...I would have put Hill through the wall and then dragged him out of the truck, ripping his helmet off, ripped of his head, and then crapped down his neck....but that is me. Not to be a social media bully...because that is just BS too, but in the thousand or so physical altercations the I have had in my life time, can attest to getting my butt spanked once or twice. Not that often though and never afraid to try and put the wrath of god into someone's face. Using tools as weapons, are what gladiators do...but for Christ's sake...put the opponent down, so they do not get up and do it again. Hill deserved retribution by Sauter, but he should have been taken out, and especially not be given the benefit of the doubt by any real race fans. Remember what the 1979 Daytona ending did for NASCAR popularity...just say'n
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Regardless of what happened to cause it, you never, ever, return to the track and wreck someone under caution. You have emergency vehicles on the track, you have trucks on the track that had nothing to do with it. If you do it, be prepared to take the penalty. You cant just let people exact revenge when they feel like or your gonna have a damn demo derby. Dale Earnhardt never wrecked someone under caution, Im sure he wanted to but he didnt.
 
Spotter22 said:
Regardless of what happened to cause it, you never, ever, return to the track and wreck someone under caution. You have emergency vehicles on the track, you have trucks on the track that had nothing to do with it. If you do it, be prepared to take the penalty. You cant just let people exact revenge when they feel like or your gonna have a damn demo derby. Dale Earnhardt never wrecked someone under caution, Im sure he wanted to but he didnt.
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“You think Dale Earnhardt is tough, you should have raced against his daddy,” Petty said about the elder Earnhardt according to onedirt.com.

While Ralph Earnhardt took care of his own equipment, he had no problem shoving someone else into the wall or tearing up their equipment"

He did not care if it was during a caution or during a pace lap...which he did more than once according to the book the Dirtiest Drivers in NASCAR...back when it was for real anyway.
 
Spotter22 said:
Or act like man and handle his business with Hill personally
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He did...he used the tool at his disposal at the time to get his attention. Still would have like to see a real fight break out though...but, again, that is me. Wonder what Stewart would have done? Or better yet, Joe Weatherly...or Curtis Turner...that wuss would have been choking on his underwear back in the day.
 
OldTimer said:
“You think Dale Earnhardt is tough, you should have raced against his daddy,” Petty said about the elder Earnhardt according to onedirt.com.

While Ralph Earnhardt took care of his own equipment, he had no problem shoving someone else into the wall or tearing up their equipment"

He did not care if it was during a caution or during a pace lap...which he did more than once according to the book the Dirtiest Drivers in NASCAR...back when it was for real anyway.
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What does that have to do with anything?
 
OldTimer said:
He did...he used the tool at his disposal at the time to get his attention. Still would have like to see a real fight break out though...but, again, that is me. Wonder what Stewart would have done? Or better yet, Joe Weatherly...or Curtis Turner...that wuss would have been choking on his underwear back in the day.
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Handling your business isnt with a race car.
 
AuzGrams said:
potential safety hazard to safety works is my big issue
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That should not be what racing is about...racing thrived on being dangerous, look at all the advertisement from the '20's, the '30's, the '40's, the '50's....think the Fireball Roberts incident started the change and most certainly the Don Mac Tavish incident galvanized the sanctioning body as both car and track safety, but the point being, if we take the risk completely away...where is the thrill?
 
Spotter22 said:
Handling your business isnt with a race car.
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Dale did...so did DW, even admits it publically. Heck even little Jeffy admits it...and admits he would have to run if one of his targets got physical. So there for, he had to use his car to "handle his business".
 
OldTimer said:
That should not be what racing is about...racing thrived on being dangerous, look at all the advertisement from the '20's, the '30's, the '40's, the '50's....think the Fireball Roberts incident started the change and most certainly the Don Mac Tavish incident galvanized the sanctioning body as both car and track safety, but the point being, if we take the risk completely away...where is the thrill?
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Yeah, lets take away those Hans devices and firesuits so we can watch people die to give us a thrill. You are an old timer that didnt learn.
 
Spotter22 said:
Yeah, lets take away those Hans devices and firesuits so we can watch people die to give us a thrill. You are an old timer that didn't learn.
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Of course...and believe that "participation" trophies should be handed out to everyone.
 
Spotter22 said:
What does safety devices have to do with participation trophys?
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Not the devices specifically, but the continuous requirements related to taking out even the perception of danger...in what used to be considered a dangerous sport. It was always a sport where adrenalin rose to the level of being able to overcome ones own timidity, to push the envelope of self preservation. By cocooning the participants into a bubble of complete safety, takes away that small difference that makes a Curtis Turner, a Dale Earnhardt Sr, a David Pearson, and such.
 
OldTimer said:
That should not be what racing is about...racing thrived on being dangerous, look at all the advertisement from the '20's, the '30's, the '40's, the '50's....think the Fireball Roberts incident started the change and most certainly the Don Mac Tavish incident galvanized the sanctioning body as both car and track safety, but the point being, if we take the risk completely away...where is the thrill?
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The Mac Tavish crash...changed NASCAR, at least the tracks and how cars were built.
 
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