What Do you Think of the New Package?

Watching the Truck race form last year due to the rainout and I'm wondering, Why 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on didnt complain about "dirty air" and "not being able to pass"??? I'm gonna guess the truck in first was faster. Call me crazy.
 
Spotter22 said:
Watching the Truck race form last year due to the rainout and I'm wondering, Why 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on didnt complain about "dirty air" and "not being able to pass"??? I'm gonna guess the truck in first was faster. Call me crazy.
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I think the truckers know what it is what they can and can't do and use it to their advantage and deal with it. A few of the cuppers who think they are racing gods it is a different story. Crying all the way to top 5's. notice it is crickets as to what Penske said?
 
Spotter22 said:
Agree, if you wanted wrecks over racing Bristol before progessive banking was better
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they started complaining about no passing, so Bruton changed the config of the track, which will continue when they add more short tracks. I think they watch too many highlight reels and think all of the races will be that way.
 
Need to see what this thing can do at Atlanta when it's not cold winter months if it's here to stay.
 
IMO the package isn’t that far off. The power is perfect, just need to stiffen the body up and lower that spoiler. Really like that new splitter used in the All Star Race.

Car development takes years guys, we’ve made a huge transition that has been bumpy at times. Expect things to trend a little better next year.

I will say I do prefer this as it reminds me of school racing. While the low downforce/ high hp period was badass, it let the best cars absolutely dominate. 18/4/78 were nearly unbeatable for most of the season, luckily Penske came along during the playoffs and made it interesting
 
Here are the Chicago stats
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I’d like to see the cars run nose to tail through the corner again without the trailing car pushing up out of the groove and losing 15 car lengths.
 
seems to be producing hard racing. some drivers like it some dont. favours some drivers styles, not others.
 
Some more fun driver comments:

"It’s almost like electric car racing," Busch said. "You’re just trying to keep the gas down as much as you can keep the gas down rather than having the finesse of what it takes to be able to lift out of the gas and throw the car in the corner and feel it slide a little bit and then feed it throttle and get back to it a little bit. It’s under-powered and you’re just momentum racing...

"We are under the limit of the tire at some of these places we go to, like last week at Chicago, especially when it turned into a night race, the race was around the bottom all night long. The top never really came in as much as we all would have wanted it to and you couldn’t move around as much as you wanted to... It takes 20 or 30 laps for tires to wear out before you start moving around where before it was like eight laps. It’s a different form of racing and yes, it’s frustrating."
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"It's not what we grew up doing," Preece said. "Throwing a car into the corner harder; not driving it in as hard; using the brake; letting it roll and pick up the throttle sooner.

"Everything is 100 percent like go-kart racing. It's where we're at right now. We're wide-open, scrubbing as much speed as we can without touching the brake pedal. That’s what you do in go-kart racing. It's not easy because you still have to find the balance of your car but that's what it is."
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"It's not up to me to decide," Bowyer said. "Unfortunately, I am the show and I'm not watching the show. I can tell you that when I'm watching the show and I go to watch Super Late Models at my local tracks with 900 horsepower engines, I'm more entertained than watching a crate (engine) race. That's my perspective and my background.

"Have we moved the needle (closer to entertainment) on some of our race tracks? Hell yeah, we have. I think we can all agree on that. Is it frustrating as a race car driver? Yes it is. You asked me about the balance between sport and entertainment and I don't know. That's not my needle to move one way or the other."
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https://autoweek.com/article/monste...embracing-entertainment-over-sport-2019-rules
 
Thought this was pretty funny. I've read this crack parroted across the social media a few times all the while passing is up 57%
NASCAR’s loop data metrics have tracked an increase in passing, including a 57% increase in green-flag passes for the lead when compared to last season.
 
The new package combined with the new qualifying format has created interesting starting line ups. Such a razor's edge between trimming the cars out and setting up for the race. Very interesting stuff. I will say this....the racing has changed. Good fun.
 
I like the package at the 1.5 mile tracks. It's entertaining and if I want a series with throttle response then there's WoO among others.
 
AuzGrams said:
I like the package at the 1.5 mile tracks. It's entertaining and if I want a series with throttle response then there's WoO among others.
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GWC finishes are entertaining most of the time, they may as well make them mandatory if that's the sole objective. I mean yes, I love WoO racing and watched it live tonight and Cup later via recording. However, I don't get what one is supposed to have do with the other, or why it is acceptable for any high level racing series to deliberately forgo something as elemental as "throttle response", or say the need to take one's foot off the gas pedal. Different strokes I suppose. Kyle termed it well regarding air games.
 
I haven't minded the side drafting games and what not personally. Like you said different strokes. As a racer I totally get the hate for the package.

This package has provided no entertainment value as I eluded to earlier at a few tracks that aren't 1.5 milers. I hope NHMS is good in person.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
IMO the package isn’t that far off. The power is perfect, just need to stiffen the body up and lower that spoiler. Really like that new splitter used in the All Star Race.

Car development takes years guys, we’ve made a huge transition that has been bumpy at times. Expect things to trend a little better next year.

I will say I do prefer this as it reminds me of school racing. While the low downforce/ high hp period was badass, it let the best cars absolutely dominate. 18/4/78 were nearly unbeatable for most of the season, luckily Penske came along during the playoffs and made it interesting
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This sums my feelings up about the package perfectly. The racing is closer, and there is still room for development in the engine and aero department. Kyle commented during the race that the "other guys" do not get as tight in dirty air. I've go three Toyotas in the Top 5, and room to get better. I like it. I freaking hated losing last night, but I have to admit that the race was fabulous. I am not sure that I have ever felt that way before.
 
gnomesayin said:
GWC finishes are entertaining most of the time, they may as well make them mandatory if that's the sole objective. I mean yes, I love WoO racing and watched it live tonight and Cup later via recording. However, I don't get what one is supposed to have do with the other, or why it is acceptable for any high level racing series to deliberately forgo something as elemental as "throttle response", or say the need to take one's foot off the gas pedal. Different strokes I suppose. Kyle termed it well regarding air games.
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Maybe they could just have a three lap race and spare us the 2.5 hour corporate blabbery from the booth :idunno:
 
Hard to not be impressed with a mini Kurt/Craven type finish that the Busch brothers provided. Last week when Bowman was able to repass Larson for the lead was something that has hardly happened in years. Last night at Kentucky there was more of the same. Numerous duels with multi lap battles back and forth for the lead with Bowyer, Logano, Kyle and Kurt involved to name a few at the front. Restarts were crazy. Multi pit strategies were going on all night long, and it happened at a track that has a history of snore fests. The 1.5's have been impressive for a first year package.
 
StandOnIt said:
Hard to not be impressed with a mini Kurt/Craven type finish that the Busch brothers provided. Last week when Bowman was able to repass Larson for the lead was something that has hardly happened in years. Last night at Kentucky there was more of the same. Numerous duels with multi lap battles back and forth for the lead with Bowyer, Logano, Kyle and Kurt involved to name a few at the front. Restarts were crazy. Multi pit strategies were going on all night long, and it happened at a track that has a history of snore fests. The 1.5's have been impressive for a first year package.
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I could not agree more. NASCAR has nailed it. I still feel that the manufacturers/builders are relevant, and the racing is fantastic. It is very fascinating to me to see who is getting their hands around this, and who may be struggling. Going back to tracks for the second time should be really interesting. I find myself having to think about practice and qualifying in an entirely different way, and race day has been full of surprises.

On a semi-related note....I think, however, this package is going to stimulate much debate/conversation once again about the winner take all deal in the finale. I believe that since the inception of this format, the champions have been very much worthy because of the way they trended throughout the season and playoffs. I think that the way the racing is now, the finale is truly a crapshoot. Each track has been different really, and we will be going to Homestead just one time. Great for the drama, but I wonder if the old point system isn't a better reflection of the true champion with this package.
 
Revman said:
I could not agree more. NASCAR has nailed it. I still feel that the manufacturers/builders are relevant, and the racing is fantastic. It is very fascinating to me to see who is getting their hands around this, and who may be struggling. Going back to tracks for the second time should be really interesting. I find myself having to think about practice and qualifying in an entirely different way, and race day has been full of surprises.

On a semi-related note....I think, however, this package is going to stimulate much debate/conversation once again about the winner take all deal in the finale. I believe that since the inception of this format, the champions have been very much worthy because of the way they trended throughout the season and playoffs. I think that the way the racing is now, the finale is truly a crapshoot. Each track has been different really, and we will be going to Homestead just one time. Great for the drama, but I wonder if the old point system isn't a better reflection of the true champion with this package.
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I look at the championship as secondary the way it is set up now. Of interest now is a three way points battle for the bottom rung of the playoff cut. I always followed battles like that with the old points system, hard to change. I have found it is best to take it one race at a time with a K sur rah sur rah attitude. Even the screaming Gerbils don't seem as bad this year, and NBCs coverage is actually better so far IMO. Fox, instead of showing many early practices and trying their best to ignore any truck stuff besides the race while at the same time showing hours of talking stick n ball heads was a slap in the face IMO. Big difference with NBC so far.
 
StandOnIt said:
I look at the championship as secondary the way it is set up now. Of interest now is a three way points battle for the bottom rung of the playoff cut. I always followed battles like that with the old points system, hard to change. I have found it is best to take it one race at a time with a K sur rah sur rah attitude. Even the screaming Gerbils don't seem as bad this year, and NBCs coverage is actually better so far IMO. Fox, instead of showing many early practices and trying their best to ignore any truck stuff besides the race while at the same time showing hours of talking stick n ball heads was a slap in the face IMO. Big difference with NBC so far.
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I like looking for trends in performance, and I haven't been shocked by any of the champions under the new system, but yeah, I agree, the championship is not nearly as important as what happens the 35 races that precede it. NBC has been fabulous, and I really hadn't noticed/cared until this year. A whole new level of commitment and production quality. I could live without the sappy "Behind the Driver" segment, but I think my disdain for driver personality storylines is well documented. I really don't care how they got there....I am just truly glad that they are. We have some great talent in this series. Damn, I am enjoying this season.
 
AuzGrams said:
I haven't minded the side drafting games and what not personally. Like you said different strokes. As a racer I totally get the hate for the package.

This package has provided no entertainment value as I eluded to earlier at a few tracks that aren't 1.5 milers. I hope NHMS is good in person.
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I believe the high downforce and low power actively harm the quality and character of racing anywhere and everywhere it is used. The entertainment show that Phelps and O'Donnell have both directly referenced is another subjective matter. I appreciate you distinguishing the negative effect the high drag has had on the smaller tracks.

The previous best race ever at Kentucky took place in 2015 as a low downforce experiment that was pivotal in convincing the industry to move in that direction. It was a fine race and a "good show" that was widely praised, but didn't benefit from a GWC finish as last night's did. If the "restart package" craziness is what people are looking for, again, I'm not sure why they don't make the races contain four quarters and a two-minute warning. Maybe each manufacturer can call one late race timeout as well.
 
Actually was interested to see how the Kyle Busch/Joey Logano battle was going to finish as Joey’s lead was narrowing.

As I said while I hope they remove some downforce, the lower HP makes a difference. The package we had the last few years was badass, but made passing almost impossible on 1.5’s bc the engineering has just became too good. These guys were regularly hitting 200 and passing was so so tough. At least now you can run down the guy with clean air
 
BobbyFord said:
Flat-footed around an oval isn't quality racing no matter how it is spun.
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eh that is the opinion of a few, but the majority want to see passing, two and three wide racing, multi grooves working, not F-1 type single file racing. That's the way it is going, and from the sounds of the powers that be, it will continue to do so. I would suggest those who constantly have their nose out of joint to find something else to watch.
 
Revman said:
I like looking for trends in performance, and I haven't been shocked by any of the champions under the new system, but yeah, I agree, the championship is not nearly as important as what happens the 35 races that precede it. NBC has been fabulous, and I really hadn't noticed/cared until this year. A whole new level of commitment and production quality. I could live without the sappy "Behind the Driver" segment, but I think my disdain for driver personality storylines is well documented. I really don't care how they got there....I am just truly glad that they are. We have some great talent in this series. Damn, I am enjoying this season.
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It has been interesting to see Nascar's solutions to the racing, how they were able to improve their 1.5 tracks that were the whipping post for many to some of the best racing in years. They have some work to do on the smaller tracks but they are handcuffed with being able to make changes on the fly because of the manufacturers. I wonder what the changes will be to the cars next year. I think the hoods and the splitter are going to get changes, but I think more changes will probably come about.
 
StandOnIt said:
I would suggest those who constantly have their nose out of joint to find something else to watch.
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I've already done that to some extent, and personally I seek not to detract from any in-race discussion and enjoyment with negative opinions. I think everyone can handle their own viewing choices, how much and how little to watch, just as some of those who celebrate this year's races managed to suffer through and withstand the boring races they disliked during recent years.
 
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