What Do you Think of the New Package?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Speedbowl14, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    ...and attendance and ratings continue to wane
     
  2. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    Bring back the Gen 4 car lol

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  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    The package did wonders for the 1.5's proved that the future 550HP motors will work, and for the first shot out of the box did pretty well overall. I'm pretty sure the car will get some small tweaks before next year as Nascar continues to evolve.
     
  4. Turtle84

    Turtle84 gained a step

    Respectfully disagree with the bolded. Chicagoland was one of the most entertaining races last year, Larson ran down KB for over 50 laps and they finished sideways. Pocono during Blaney's run to his first win wasn't boring either.
     
  5. machinistman3

    machinistman3 Team Owner


    George Costanza theory in effect here. Do the opposite of whatever Mikey says.
     
  6. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    He never won a Cup race in which HP wasn't restricted well below 500 HP. Of course he does.
     
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  7. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I didn't hate the 550 package on the 1.5s myself, but Pocono/Fontana/Michigan/IMS should be a high horsepower, low downforce show.
     
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  8. donthaveanickname

    donthaveanickname Team Owner

    They should run low downforce and 900hp at every track shorter than 1.5 miles and low downforce and a medium-sized spacer (750 hp) at every track larger than 1.5 miles + Homestead.
    Daytona and Talladega were great with the package (logically, as they had more horsepower than they used to have there). The only other tracks were the package worked were some of the D-shaped 1.5 milers.

    I personally would like to see 900 hp and low downforce for all the tracks, but that's not realistic.
    Admitting that something must be done for the short tracks was a first step into admitting that NASCAR has badly screwed up with this package. Once again, they were trying to fix a problem that wasn't there.
     
  9. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Honestly, once the teams figured out the new package, it was a pretty boring season. The cars are too planted & too slow. The big spoiler still punches a hole in the air that makes it impossible for anyone to close in on the leader other than at a double file restart.
     
  10. Turtle84

    Turtle84 gained a step

    Ah the good ol' days when the backend would step out on the regular
     
  11. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner



    Any reversal on the high downforce formula, partial or full, is positive, so this is a smart and necessary move.
     
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  12. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Soon as they incorporated being aero sensitive at Bristol or Martinsville, you know its time for a change.

    Especially, with the finale moving to ISM, NASCAR cannot afford a dud of a final race at a newly renovated place. That would be a disaster and hurt the sport badly in the long run.
     
  13. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    That was a freaking awesome race. I remember watching that live and being mesmerized by the amount of skill on display. Now it looks like slot cars out there.
     
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  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    eh I think this one was better, more sliding and contact

     
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  15. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Can't forget Larson vs Harvick at Kansas 2014 and Kenseth vs Elliott vs Larson at Dover 2016 for more badass side by side racing
     
  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Those don't have anything to do with the current package they are racing now
     
  17. Turtle84

    Turtle84 gained a step

    that explains why we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
     
  18. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Best finish I’ve ever seen in person
     
  19. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    From the end of the season last year. A shorter spoiler sounds like a possibility. Good luck trying to get Goodyear to change the tire

    NASCAR will evaluate rules package for short tracks and road courses

    November 15, 2019 at 6:57 AM
    NASCAR has acknowledged the work that needs to be done next year on short tracks and road courses.

    While the sanctioning body remains pleased by the performance of the polarizing low-horsepower, high-downforce competition formula on intermediate tracks, it has come at the expense of flat short tracks and road courses.

    Several drivers have called for NASCAR to implement a shorter rear spoiler for these tracks next season, even though the 2020 rules have already been released, almost identical to the status quo. That’s actually what NASCAR wanted to do this season, but that move was vetoed by the Race Team Alliance, which did not want to R&D two different race packages.

    NASCAR’s vice president and chief racing development officer, Steve O’Donnell, agrees that something needs to be done but suggested there is more Goodyear can do with the racing tire.

    “What I would say is that every race is unique,” O’Donnell told SiriusXM NASCAR Radio. “We heard some of the same things after the first Bristol and then put on a phenomenal race (in the fall). We’re working with our partners at Goodyear for the short tracks.

    https://www.jayski.com/2019/11/15/n...es-package-for-short-tracks-and-road-courses/
     
  20. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

     
  21. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

    NASCAR’s vice president and chief racing development officer, Steve O’Donnell needs to be re-evaluated.
     
  22. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    I think last year was pretty successful for the first year of a major change. Remember back this time last season everyone was freaking out that we would have wreck fests because it would be drafting everywhere. That turned out not to happen so the cars do not need to be as stable as predicted.

    Wouldn’t be shocked to see a softer tire and a lower downforce package
     
  23. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    The one that cracked me up was the one where somebody said because they are flat footing David Reagan can win a race.
     
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  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    :idunno: No formal announcement yet but Cory thinks so

     
  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Looks like the are changing back on the 750 HP tracks, short track package.







     
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  27. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Why can't they cut downforce everywhere?
     
  28. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Good deal! Now make a tire that wears out in 30 laps
     
  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I have no faith in Goodyear rock and concrete.
     
  30. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    8" to 2.75"

    Break out the checkbook and turn on the big fan.
     
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  31. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.....Chevy gets new body.......Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.......rule change for the short tracks when there really wasn't a problem to begin with.......I am wondering if NASCAR is held hostage by social media, and can't get out of its own way. Nobody can define "great racing," but we chase it anyway. SMDH. Leave. It. *******. Alone.
     
  32. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Did you not watch the road course races and short track races?

    They were a mess, it had to be adjusted slightly to make racing possible.

    "Making a change was a no-brainer, and this allows teams to spend minimal amount in development b/c already have base of knowledge."

    Minimal spending and the teams already have data without having to start over again. Its just not the fans, its the drivers and teams as well that have a voice. It needed to be done and it was.

    The sport needs momentum into 2021, if they can have some great races at the short tracks, it will make a world of difference.
     
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  33. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    They've been chasing and changing since more then two cars showed up to race. Nature of the beast.
     
  34. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Yes, but in the context of the cost savings hysteria, this is ridiculous.
     
  35. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Sure as hell did watch, and spent some money attending a couple. I didn't see a problem with the racing, but then again, I don't have a need for side-by-side for 300 laps and a photo finish. Good luck in finding that. Most fans are not experts. Drivers and teams are in it for themselves. Run the damn series NASCAR. The National Championship got boring last night at the end. We need to do something about this college football thing. SMDH.
     
  36. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Its not an overreaction, its a trend seen at all of the short tracks and road courses. Outside of the wild nature of the Roval.

    Drivers want to be able to pass and it was something outside of restarts that were pretty difficult. Also, this is because the finale will be at Phoenix as well and they cannot afford to screw the finale race up.

    We are fans, not experts. If, NASCAR is truly sucombing to pressure like that, its really not good. Executives, team owners, drivers all matter more than what my silly behind has to say. We all want the same thing for the sport to be competitive and thrive.
     
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  37. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    NASCAR Made a couple minor changes cost wise.
     
  38. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    some fans refuse to see the big picture. The vast majority of viewers don't want to see a single car parade. The highlight reels aren't full of drivers winning by 5 seconds.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Actually in word only are the changes. They went back to what they already had. I hope the teams didn't throw away all of their setup data because it is pretty much the same as it was in 2018
     
  40. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    You just said that a set up in 2018 works in 2020. You are not an engineer....am I right?
     

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