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What Do you Think of the New Package?

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Yeah but the general public hated it. Throughout most of the season this season had much much better race ratings than last season. Low downforce is badass but yikes it was not entertaining on anything over a mile.

I think down the stretch Toyota being that much better led to some meh racing. There were a few races where other teams simply could not compete with what they have built
...and attendance and ratings continue to wane
 

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The package did wonders for the 1.5's proved that the future 550HP motors will work, and for the first shot out of the box did pretty well overall. I'm pretty sure the car will get some small tweaks before next year as Nascar continues to evolve.
 

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Yeah but the general public hated it. Throughout most of the season this season had much much better race ratings than last season. Low downforce is badass but yikes it was not entertaining on anything over a mile.

I think down the stretch Toyota being that much better led to some meh racing. There were a few races where other teams simply could not compete with what they have built
Respectfully disagree with the bolded. Chicagoland was one of the most entertaining races last year, Larson ran down KB for over 50 laps and they finished sideways. Pocono during Blaney's run to his first win wasn't boring either.
 

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I didn't hate the 550 package on the 1.5s myself, but Pocono/Fontana/Michigan/IMS should be a high horsepower, low downforce show.
 

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They should run low downforce and 900hp at every track shorter than 1.5 miles and low downforce and a medium-sized spacer (750 hp) at every track larger than 1.5 miles + Homestead.
Daytona and Talladega were great with the package (logically, as they had more horsepower than they used to have there). The only other tracks were the package worked were some of the D-shaped 1.5 milers.

I personally would like to see 900 hp and low downforce for all the tracks, but that's not realistic.
Admitting that something must be done for the short tracks was a first step into admitting that NASCAR has badly screwed up with this package. Once again, they were trying to fix a problem that wasn't there.
 

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Honestly, once the teams figured out the new package, it was a pretty boring season. The cars are too planted & too slow. The big spoiler still punches a hole in the air that makes it impossible for anyone to close in on the leader other than at a double file restart.
 

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Any reversal on the high downforce formula, partial or full, is positive, so this is a smart and necessary move.
Soon as they incorporated being aero sensitive at Bristol or Martinsville, you know its time for a change.

Especially, with the finale moving to ISM, NASCAR cannot afford a dud of a final race at a newly renovated place. That would be a disaster and hurt the sport badly in the long run.
 

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From the end of the season last year. A shorter spoiler sounds like a possibility. Good luck trying to get Goodyear to change the tire

NASCAR will evaluate rules package for short tracks and road courses

November 15, 2019 at 6:57 AM
NASCAR has acknowledged the work that needs to be done next year on short tracks and road courses.

While the sanctioning body remains pleased by the performance of the polarizing low-horsepower, high-downforce competition formula on intermediate tracks, it has come at the expense of flat short tracks and road courses.

Several drivers have called for NASCAR to implement a shorter rear spoiler for these tracks next season, even though the 2020 rules have already been released, almost identical to the status quo. That’s actually what NASCAR wanted to do this season, but that move was vetoed by the Race Team Alliance, which did not want to R&D two different race packages.

NASCAR’s vice president and chief racing development officer, Steve O’Donnell, agrees that something needs to be done but suggested there is more Goodyear can do with the racing tire.

“What I would say is that every race is unique,” O’Donnell told SiriusXM NASCAR Radio. “We heard some of the same things after the first Bristol and then put on a phenomenal race (in the fall). We’re working with our partners at Goodyear for the short tracks.

https://www.jayski.com/2019/11/15/nascar-will-evaluate-rules-package-for-short-tracks-and-road-courses/
 

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From the end of the season last year. A shorter spoiler sounds like a possibility. Good luck trying to get Goodyear to change the tire

NASCAR will evaluate rules package for short tracks and road courses

November 15, 2019 at 6:57 AM
NASCAR has acknowledged the work that needs to be done next year on short tracks and road courses.

While the sanctioning body remains pleased by the performance of the polarizing low-horsepower, high-downforce competition formula on intermediate tracks, it has come at the expense of flat short tracks and road courses.

Several drivers have called for NASCAR to implement a shorter rear spoiler for these tracks next season, even though the 2020 rules have already been released, almost identical to the status quo. That’s actually what NASCAR wanted to do this season, but that move was vetoed by the Race Team Alliance, which did not want to R&D two different race packages.

NASCAR’s vice president and chief racing development officer, Steve O’Donnell, agrees that something needs to be done but suggested there is more Goodyear can do with the racing tire.

“What I would say is that every race is unique,” O’Donnell told SiriusXM NASCAR Radio. “We heard some of the same things after the first Bristol and then put on a phenomenal race (in the fall). We’re working with our partners at Goodyear for the short tracks.

https://www.jayski.com/2019/11/15/nascar-will-evaluate-rules-package-for-short-tracks-and-road-courses/
 

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NASCAR’s vice president and chief racing development officer, Steve O’Donnell needs to be re-evaluated.
 

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I think last year was pretty successful for the first year of a major change. Remember back this time last season everyone was freaking out that we would have wreck fests because it would be drafting everywhere. That turned out not to happen so the cars do not need to be as stable as predicted.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see a softer tire and a lower downforce package
 

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I think last year was pretty successful for the first year of a major change. Remember back this time last season everyone was freaking out that we would have wreck fests because it would be drafting everywhere. That turned out not to happen so the cars do not need to be as stable as predicted.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see a softer tire and a lower downforce package
The one that cracked me up was the one where somebody said because they are flat footing David Reagan can win a race.
 

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Looks like the are changing back on the 750 HP tracks, short track package.




Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.....Chevy gets new body.......Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.......rule change for the short tracks when there really wasn't a problem to begin with.......I am wondering if NASCAR is held hostage by social media, and can't get out of its own way. Nobody can define "great racing," but we chase it anyway. SMDH. Leave. It. ******. Alone.
 

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Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.....Chevy gets new body.......Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.......rule change for the short tracks when there really wasn't a problem to begin with.......I am wondering if NASCAR is held hostage by social media, and can't get out of its own way. Nobody can define "great racing," but we chase it anyway. SMDH. Leave. It. *******. Alone.
Did you not watch the road course races and short track races?

They were a mess, it had to be adjusted slightly to make racing possible.

"Making a change was a no-brainer, and this allows teams to spend minimal amount in development b/c already have base of knowledge."

Minimal spending and the teams already have data without having to start over again. Its just not the fans, its the drivers and teams as well that have a voice. It needed to be done and it was.

The sport needs momentum into 2021, if they can have some great races at the short tracks, it will make a world of difference.
 

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Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.....Chevy gets new body.......Yeah, let's save money for the Next Gen car.......rule change for the short tracks when there really wasn't a problem to begin with.......I am wondering if NASCAR is held hostage by social media, and can't get out of its own way. Nobody can define "great racing," but we chase it anyway. SMDH. Leave. It. *******. Alone.
They've been chasing and changing since more then two cars showed up to race. Nature of the beast.
 

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Did you not watch the road course races and short track races?

They were a mess, it had to be adjusted slightly to make racing possible.

"Making a change was a no-brainer, and this allows teams to spend minimal amount in development b/c already have base of knowledge."

Minimal spending and the teams already have data without having to start over again. Its just not the fans, its the drivers and teams as well that have a voice. It needed to be done and it was.

The sport needs momentum into 2021, if they can have some great races at the short tracks, it will make a world of difference.
Sure as hell did watch, and spent some money attending a couple. I didn't see a problem with the racing, but then again, I don't have a need for side-by-side for 300 laps and a photo finish. Good luck in finding that. Most fans are not experts. Drivers and teams are in it for themselves. Run the damn series NASCAR. The National Championship got boring last night at the end. We need to do something about this college football thing. SMDH.
 

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Sure as hell did watch, and spent some money attending a couple. I didn't see a problem with the racing, but then again, I don't have a need for side-by-side for 300 laps and a photo finish. Good luck in finding that. Most fans are not experts. Drivers and teams are in it for themselves. Run the damn series NASCAR. The National Championship got boring last night at the end. We need to do something about this college football thing. SMDH.
Its not an overreaction, its a trend seen at all of the short tracks and road courses. Outside of the wild nature of the Roval.

Drivers want to be able to pass and it was something outside of restarts that were pretty difficult. Also, this is because the finale will be at Phoenix as well and they cannot afford to screw the finale race up.

We are fans, not experts. If, NASCAR is truly sucombing to pressure like that, its really not good. Executives, team owners, drivers all matter more than what my silly behind has to say. We all want the same thing for the sport to be competitive and thrive.
 

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Its not an overreaction, its a trend seen at all of the short tracks and road courses. Outside of the wild nature of the Roval.

Drivers want to be able to pass and it was something outside of restarts that were pretty difficult. Also, this is because the finale will be at Phoenix as well and they cannot afford to screw the finale race up.

We are fans, not experts. If, NASCAR is truly sucombing to pressure like that, its really not good. Executives, team owners, drivers all matter more than what my silly behind has to say. We all want the same thing for the sport to be competitive and thrive.
some fans refuse to see the big picture. The vast majority of viewers don't want to see a single car parade. The highlight reels aren't full of drivers winning by 5 seconds.
 

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NASCAR Made a couple minor changes cost wise.
Actually in word only are the changes. They went back to what they already had. I hope the teams didn't throw away all of their setup data because it is pretty much the same as it was in 2018
 

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Actually in word only are the changes. They went back to what they already had. I hope the teams didn't throw away all of their setup data because it is pretty much the same as it was in 2018
You just said that a set up in 2018 works in 2020. You are not an engineer....am I right?
 
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