What Do you Think of the New Package?

2 Sweet said:
Anyone who can't tell a visual difference in speed with this new package is fooling themselves. It's like night and day from last year's 1.5 milers.

After the first few laps yesterday, my wife asked me why all the cars looked so much slower than in the past. She had no idea there had been any changes to the rules.

For the first time in years, I actually fell asleep during a Cup race. That package turned California into the most boring race in recent memory. If that's what NASCAR was shooting for, they better go back to the drawing board.
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Absolutely! The cars are noticeably slower and need momentum to achieve anything. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has followed Nascar for a few years can’t see it.

I can’t imagine a lot of the 35k in attendance yesterday would be fired up about returning next year. Why they don’t test rules adequately before implementing them is beyond me. All they are doing is guessing and hoping.
 
FLRacingFan said:
These clowns need to quit looking at box scores and take a look out the suite and see what's on the track.

NASCAR encouraged by early performance of new rules package
https://racer.com/2019/03/18/crandall-rules-package-gets-good-post-race-reviews/
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IDK who sits down to watch a race and bases their like or dislike of it by various metrics and other things like the leader board. I think most people like races that feature cars on the edge driven by skillful drivers and this package is the antithesis of that.

The next thing Scott Miller will be telling us is that most Nascar fans live in California!
 
Wonder if this package will be on NASCAR Heat 4. If so, the mile and a halfs will be unbearably boring to race.
 
FLRacingFan said:
These clowns need to quit looking at box scores and take a look out the suite and see what's on the track.

NASCAR encouraged by early performance of new rules package
https://racer.com/2019/03/18/crandall-rules-package-gets-good-post-race-reviews/
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They were publicly happy with the racing in 2018 too, until one week when they weren't. Or actually I think they talked about how great it was even after they signaled their intention to radically change the formula to create something different.
 
I think Kyle's will be green wagon

“[There was a] huge swing in downforce from last year, and one of the things that says to us is [that] our racing and our teams are very good, and our drivers are very good. This package is way different than the one that preceded it, but the same teams are excelling – which would be the case if we were racing little red wagons, or anything else. The best teams and the best pilots will … consistently run up front.”

https://racer.com/2019/03/18/crandall-rules-package-gets-good-post-race-reviews/
 
StandOnIt said:
I think Kyle's will be green wagon

“[There was a] huge swing in downforce from last year, and one of the things that says to us is [that] our racing and our teams are very good, and our drivers are very good. This package is way different than the one that preceded it, but the same teams are excelling – which would be the case if we were racing little red wagons, or anything else. The best teams and the best pilots will … consistently run up front.”

https://racer.com/2019/03/18/crandall-rules-package-gets-good-post-race-reviews/
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If only the fans were as encouraged as NASCAR.
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
Wonder if this package will be on NASCAR Heat 4. If so, the mile and a halfs will be unbearably boring to race.
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It's already in iRacing and it has made things more intense because the people on the service are now willing to be more aggressive.
 
using this place for a comparison? laughable. Truex lapped all but 9 cars, intervals perfect for single file racing, compared to below, Busch overcomes a speeding penalty, and a much closer finish between competitors. seeing is not believing around here, bias is. :D

 
yep same ones crying years ago are still crying today, funny as hell. I get a kick out of it. I wouldn't watch if I was so drove up that some seem to be. :D
 
More food to thought..but no drama though
–This is the first time in 19 years that Hendrick Motorsports has yet to record a top five through the first five races (and that 2000 team had one fewer car).

After a mediocre start to 2018 in the Camaro’s debut, the team somehow seems in the same straits with the model this season while adapting to the 2019 configuration of lower horsepower and higher downforce.

Because of the hurdles in running three consecutive races more than 2,000 miles from the industry’s Charlotte hub, it was expected that course-correcting any car deficiencies would be more difficult than it already is.

Never mind the expense of changing on the fly, it's logistically impossible to make significant updates to cars while trying to ship them to the other side of the country amid a carefully coordinated and highly regimented plan of hauler swaps and highway gymnastics.

The March 31 race at Texas Motor Speedway will be the first 1.5 mile race in which teams have been able to digest everything learned in real-world conditions and apply them to their cars.
 
StandOnIt said:
More food to thought..but no drama though
–This is the first time in 19 years that Hendrick Motorsports has yet to record a top five through the first five races (and that 2000 team had one fewer car).

After a mediocre start to 2018 in the Camaro’s debut, the team somehow seems in the same straits with the model this season while adapting to the 2019 configuration of lower horsepower and higher downforce.

Because of the hurdles in running three consecutive races more than 2,000 miles from the industry’s Charlotte hub, it was expected that course-correcting any car deficiencies would be more difficult than it already is.

Never mind the expense of changing on the fly, it's logistically impossible to make significant updates to cars while trying to ship them to the other side of the country amid a carefully coordinated and highly regimented plan of hauler swaps and highway gymnastics.

The March 31 race at Texas Motor Speedway will be the first 1.5 mile race in which teams have been able to digest everything learned in real-world conditions and apply them to their cars.
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Toyota seems fine
 
SpeedPagan said:
Chevy teams need to start working together like Ford teams are.
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I think it is more of a problem with what they have to work with. Bowman said Chevy's simulator and his real time car are way apart and he has quit using Chevy's simulator. I doubt if Kurt is using much simulation and probably helping set up the car by experience.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think it is more of a problem with what they have to work with. Bowman said Chevy's simulator and his real time car are way apart and he has quit using Chevy's simulator.
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Yea, I read that article as well, which is a bit concerning.
 
StandOnIt said:
using this place for a comparison? laughable. Truex lapped all but 9 cars, intervals perfect for single file racing, compared to below, Busch overcomes a speeding penalty, and a much closer finish between competitors. seeing is not believing around here, bias is. :D

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Who gives a **** what the interval was? The race up top took a whole hell of alot more talent.
 
DUN24 said:
Who gives a sh!t what the interval was? The race up top took a whole hell of alot more talent.
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yeah buddy, those things were a hand full..all three cautions worth, 2 of em were the stages. Wosh, Zoooom. :D It's tough for some to understand but 4 times the down force with only double the speed. Over 900 pounds more at 200 than at 170. That is all things being equal, I have no idea what they added with this package
 
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DUN24 said:
Who gives a sh!t what the interval was? The race up top took a whole hell of alot more talent.
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Just let him go on back under his bridge and watch timing and scoring intervals all race long. If it makes him happy more power to him.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah buddy, those things were a hand full..all three cautions worth, 2 of em were the stages. Wosh, Zoooom. :D It's tough for some to understand but 4 times the down force with only double the speed. Over 900 pounds more at 200 than at 170. That is all things being equal, I have no idea what they added with this package
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Oh, you have an idea, you're as up on the details as anyone and just being coy. If you're implying last year's cars had more effective downforce, that's a shark jumping moment. There were five cautions in the 2018 race including the two stage breaks. Not that that's the end-all be-all measure of driving difficulty.
 
gnomesayin said:
Oh, you have an idea, you're as up on the details as anyone and just being coy. If you're implying last year's cars had more effective downforce, that's a shark jumping moment. There were five cautions in the 2018 race including the two stage breaks. Not that that's the end-all be-all measure of driving difficulty.
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nah I got that wrong, five with two being the stages last year. This year there were 4 and everybody was falling off a log saying how easy the cars were to drive with one less caution for proof. Pretty insignificant when people keep saying how hard the cars were to drive at speed IMO. Purely subjective, but this year it appeared more got into the wall than last year. I only saw a couple of out front cameras and it appeared the cars were jumping around quite a bit. Like an article said all the judging on one race when absolutely no real time data was available or the ability to adjust the cars is real shark jumping IMO.
 
Pretty obvious that the Gibbs cars and the Penske's had the field covered. I believe Hamlin and Busch had speeding penalties, Hamlin and even the Jones boy had strong cars also for Gibbs with Truex coming on strong after some adjustments in the last stage. The Ganassi cars were decent, but again they had what they had for the race and they guessed right. Personally I can't wait for Texas to see who applies what data they have. It could be a turning point either way. People jumping the shark way too early IMO.
 
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