What Do you Think of the New Package?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Speedbowl14, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    There are several things to do *if* the goal is to slash side force... side-to-side symmetry, smaller quarter panels, and deleting the "dorsal fin" or whatever it's called. Less side force would reduce cornering speeds, and thus create more off-throttle time. But the current philosophy of Nascar doesn't want more off-throttle time... quite the opposite... the current goal is WFO cornering to promote pack racing.

    Racing nirvana for me would be... 2018 horsepower and downforce, plus sharply reduced side force... followed by an extended period of relative stability in aero rules to allow all the major teams to get their act together. My theory is, we got to this drafting package because HMS and Penske lagged behind in development in 2018. That allowed the 18 and 4 cars to dominate things for two thirds of the year... and the fans revolted... which led to Nascar's philosophical about-face for 2019.
     
  2. Pandaz3

    Pandaz3 Jackman

    I was happy with the 2018 season, but I am pretty happy with what I have seen so far. The 17 held the 19 up once again at Vegas when the 19 was clearly the fastest car, yet once again I guess they, the 19 did not have the fastest driver, or the new package is evening things out some. To be fair the 19 might have a winning driver and crew chief combo, but they have to gel a little more with the rest of the team and working under the JGR roof. Not the same as Denver.

    I think it's the package and the package is working.
     
  3. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Thats a joke right? I thought you were omniscient. These cars havent been symmetrical for years. The 2019 cars are no different.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. ReturnTrip

    ReturnTrip Team Owner

    The thing that keeps me from getting too invested is that all of this is subject to change when the Gen 7 arrives. This season and next is a test session for that car. You know NASCAR will keep fiddling with the rules until they find something they like. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the All-Star race this year has a new aero package like it did last year. Fine by me as long as they pick something and stick to it. Like others have said previously, you have to give the teams time to adjust to the rules. Changing them every season is detrimental.
     
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  5. Zerkfitting

    Zerkfitting Team Owner

    I assume the inspection process allows for asymmetrical bodies. I wonder how a symmetrical design would work. The drivers like to use the left rear of a car to side draft and it makes me think that corner of the car is less stable.
     
  6. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    These cars are exactly the same minus the nose. Exactly! Thats the reason for the OSS to begin with. Parity!
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2019
  7. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Symmetry means the same on both sides. The left side of the car is not the same as the right side.
     
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  8. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    We're not talking about parity, we're talking about symmetry. The right side of the car is flatter than the left / the left side curves out more than the right.
     
  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    When has Kenseth drove a Joe Gibbs car? I don't think the newer forms of inspection were around then. Last year was the first time the OSS tent inspection was used
     
  10. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    The shelfs are the same on all cars. Might be the wrap, angle of the shot, and cars we are looking that dont even run anymore.
     
  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Here is last weeks shot at Vegas to chew on.
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  12. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I propose any further images used in this discussion exclude the #18 because it's too damn ugly to look at in detail, like something the baby left her diaper after she got into the Fruity Pebbles.
     
  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I like the shot of rubber all over the track, instead of it being all in one lane myself.
     
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  14. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    That is still plain as day that that side facing the wall is flat and the side facing the turns is rounded off at the rear.
     
  15. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Agreed 100%

    Yea, the car is still offset towards the turn instead of being in the middle of the chassis.
     
  16. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I guess we were arguing two different things, I thought you were saying that the Brands had different side panels. Mis interpreted.
     
  17. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I would throw different aero rules on the fly. Stops the advantage of testing the major money teams have.
     
  18. Revman

    Revman Hall of Fame

    Shut up Revman. Shut up Revman. Shut up Revman. Shut up Revman. :D
     
  19. TexasRaceLady

    TexasRaceLady Plank Owner Contributor

    I'm still on the fence. As I said much earlier in this thread, it may take me 1/2 the season to really decide.
     
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  20. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Lets be honest here, the top 5 in points don't want changes and those fro 15 on back are praying the changes will help them.
     
  21. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Changes were in the works long before this and although HMS didn't do well, ( common opinion is their problems are internal), I don't think Ford or Penske were complaining.
     
  22. Matthew2470

    Matthew2470 Filthy Casual

    Until air is allowed to flow under the car and on to the front of the trailing car there will be issues with trying to pass.
     
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  23. Revman

    Revman Hall of Fame

    Kyle passed people all day. He lost because he screwed up on pit road. He was better than the Penskes, but that's cool. Joey and Kez ran a great race.
     
  24. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I liked the racing last year and felt the best teams and drivers were rewarded under those rules. Unfortunately for me Nascar had a brutal year in 2018 so what we have now is momentum racing with cars suctioned to the track.

    IDK who all the people complaining about this new form of racing are as all I see is what is posted here. It seems as some people like it, some are warming up to it and others are on the fence. Of course there are people that don’t like anything but there are those that like anything and they usually balance each other out.

    I know this current style of racing has done nothing for me and I don’t think that will change. Of course I will need more time to make up my mind and see what changes Nascar makes. If these new rules attract a younger demographic then the operation is a success. If not it is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
     
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  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That went a long way toward his losing, but it is hard to predict that was his only problem or anybodies elses, a lot of cars faded in the later stages of the race. Without any history of this new package, I think each time the teams come to a track there is a bit of guessing involved until they get more data. Both of the Penske cars qualified back in the field, but were good in the closing laps and 4 cars were good after a 100 lap run to battle for the lead, but it really was a two car race in the closing laps. At least it wasn't a car out front just running hard enough to stay out front in clean air. I think that is why most fans liked the race. Plenty of action the whole time.
     
  26. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    I disagree.

    :cheers:

    Edit: Okay I'll elaborate.. he had what? Half the race after that penalty to get through the field? I think he was a third place car.. otherwise he would have been able to pass Harvick earlier and make a run at them. He may have been catching them but they were battling back and forth so you cant really take much stake in that.

    Even early in the race when Harvick had a 4 second lead Joey was faster.. Brad had the better car at the end but not by much.
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2019
  27. Marcingak

    Marcingak Team Owner

    Should have kept the 2015 Indy and Michigan package.
     
  28. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    and no problem flying also. They should have left Carl with the floor vent.:D
     
  29. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Team Owner

    Yup. Seen enough, this weekend seals it for me. It's time to start removing the gimmicks NASCAR!
     
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  30. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor

    The package sucketh but the cream rose to the top
     
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  31. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    This just isn't it.
     
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  32. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    I wonder how Danica would have done in the current underpowered/heavy downforce package?
     
  33. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor



    Backmarker, 2 laps down
     
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  34. JBone88

    JBone88 JR Nation's last ride

    I’ll give NASCAR credit for giving it a shot. But this package is straight doo doo. Back to the drawing board.
     
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  35. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I thought that it would be good but not sure anymore.
    Did anyone check Kyle's restriction plate?
     
  36. PeopleAreStrange

    PeopleAreStrange 2016 Yahoo Fantasy R-F Champion

    To be fair, this package (or a watered down version of it) was great at Atlanta a few weeks ago.
     
  37. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Yeah these air ducts do not help at all. Should just remove them and go with the Atlanta package, that was a terrific race
     
  38. Speedbowl14

    Speedbowl14 Ryan Preece and short tracks

    Just a reminder this package is already the basis for the next gen car (not gonna find the url/article). They ain't changing nothing.

    What a clusterf. Good thing we have Martinsville this week. The mid-summer stretch this year will be b-r-u-t-a-l if the racing is similar to what today produced.
     
  39. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    I can't completely blame the package though. Bottom line is Penske and Gibbs are way better than the field right now which is leading to the lack of parity. People say it's difficult to drive thru the field, yet these guys are doing just that regularly
     
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  40. Speedbowl14

    Speedbowl14 Ryan Preece and short tracks

    Yep...here's the problem...no such thing as braking anymore for the turns so no reason to invest in that. Can't make up time on pit road with common guns. The penalties for being caught cheating and pushing the "grey area" are absurd (and loved by the fans for some reason?) so you can't risk a penalty.

    So how do the rest of the teams catch up? They can't. I'm expecting the Penske/Gibbs show this year at the big tracks.
     

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